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According to ESPN the following deal has been submitted for league approval.

Chicago gets Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown from CLE.

Seattle gets Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall from CLE and Adrian Griffin from CHI.

Cleveland gets Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, and a future 2nd rounder from CHI and Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West from SEA.




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*cough* And this is supposed to make the Cavs BETTER? I realize they're getting a big man, but giving up Gooden, Hughes, and Newble for Wallace is just total insanity!




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    Originally posted by It's False
    *cough* And this is supposed to make the Cavs BETTER? I realize they're getting a big man, but giving up Gooden, Hughes, and Newble for Wallace is just total insanity!

Apparently they were really eager to bring Wallace and Wally to CLE.



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Looking at ESPN's stats, Szczerbiak and Smith make up for the scoring, Wallace provides the D, and West replaces the guard position Hughes had. Surprisingly enough, the stats for the players involved all seem to even out.

I am not a Wallace fan and am not too pleased that he's a Cav. That said, HOT DOG they finally got rid of Hughes, and they didn't have to give up Gibson, Varejao, or Pavlovic to do so. Plus they got a 2nd round pick. I like this trade.

When this team heals up, they will be a force.




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Ben Wallace is going to have to step it up now that he is playing with a freak like Lebron. Wally adds someone that other teams at least have to account for plus they got rid of that bum Larry Hughes.

Chicago no longer has to feel like they have to play Wallace and can now play the younger guys who do the same thing only better.

Seattle got a lot of cap room, but it makes me sick to see the team I loved growing up being robbed from a city that has done nothing but support them for 41 years.
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Seattle got a lot of cap room, but it makes me sick to see the team I loved growing up being robbed from a city that has done nothing but support them for 41 years.


I'll believe that when I see the OKC Whatevers on the court, and not a minute sooner. Not happening.

That said, wow the Sonics are terrible. I'll give it up for Sam Presti, though. They have six first-round picks over the next three years, and he turned a second-round pick a trade exception into three first-round picks, Brent Barry, and Francisco Elson.



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    Originally posted by whatever
    Looking at ESPN's stats, Szczerbiak and Smith make up for the scoring, Wallace provides the D, and West replaces the guard position Hughes had. Surprisingly enough, the stats for the players involved all seem to even out.

    I am not a Wallace fan and am not too pleased that he's a Cav. That said, HOT DOG they finally got rid of Hughes, and they didn't have to give up Gibson, Varejao, or Pavlovic to do so. Plus they got a 2nd round pick. I like this trade.

    When this team heals up, they will be a force.


As someone who's watched a lot of Wally and West the past few years, West can't cover bigger 2-guards and can't go to his right. I also can't see how he gets mintues that Jones and Gibson get at the PG spot. Wallace this season has for the first time since his Orlando days averages less than 10 bords a game and less than 2 blocks a game. He's 33 and I don't see him getting better. As for Wally, I think the dummies used in the skills competition are better defenders than he is.

As a C's fan seeing a possible 2nd round series with Cleveland, Gooden scared me more than Wallace does. IMHO, Cleveland got a little better offensively with this deal, but got a lot worse defensively.

(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 21.2.08 2102)




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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
I'll believe that when I see the OKC Whatevers on the court, and not a minute sooner. Not happening.


Preach it brother! Is that still the feeling out there . . . that they're not going to leave? (I certainly hope so!)



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    Originally posted by DrewDewce
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      I'll believe that when I see the OKC Whatevers on the court, and not a minute sooner. Not happening.


    Preach it brother! Is that still the feeling out there . . . that they're not going to leave? (I certainly hope so!)


I'd say the GENERAL feeling is pessimism at this point, but personally, and I don't have any real insight into it or anything, but I don't believe this whole thing is anything but a big power-play by David Stern to get the Sonics a new arena, and it WILL happen, just like it happened for the Mariners (who were headed to Tampa) and the Seahawks (who had literally LEFT for Anaheim before being forced back.)

It's the Seattle Way.

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The city of Seattle already caved twice for public funding on stadiums, and one was the shady Paul Allen election out of nowhere. There really isn't anything wrong with the Key Arena. It sells out when the Sonics put a competitive team on the floor and they have a relatively good TV contract. The fact that the city is even being threatened with this crap for the last four or five years is outrageous and that's what worries me the people in Washington just might be so sick of hearing billionaires cry that they won't do anything to save the team.

The state has taken a hard line stand on this one, and rightfully so. Howard Schultz started this whole mess, a 'local owner' who made billions in the coffee industry didn't want to put down any of his own money for a state of the art facility, but we, they, Seattle, Washington should?

Why not pick on Charlotte that can't support it's second go round, or Memphis who got a relocated team or the freaking Hawks who never draw?

Shit, now I'm way off topic, but it's a subject that burns me up especially when they have such a clever GM running the show. Anyway, I hope JayJay is right, but as Han Solo likes to say, "I have a bad feeling about this."



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I've had a couple debates about this deal from the Chicago POV, and it sound like I'm in the minority. Still

- 2+ years of Larry Hughes > 2+ years of Ben Wallace
- Joe Smith wasn't coming back next year anyway, they needed someone to take his place next year anyway, might as well be Gooden
- They must've known Ben Gordon was leaving after this season and might as well try something different for the back court.

That's all this season has been, post Skiles. Trying a new coach, trying different configurations. Thabo's got minutes lately do to injuries, and Ty Thomas and Joakim Noah should get a lot of minutes down the stretch. The Bulls are really no closer to being a championship teams, but might be able to better put a value of the pieces they got going into the off season.



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I like the deal for the Bulls, I had read not even a month ago that Paxson had a thing for Gooden, and had been wanting him for a while.

Gooden and Hinrich played together at Kansas did they not?

Larry Hughes isn't really a big deal. Duhon, Hinrich, and Gordon with Thabo just means the best will get to play.

It will really irk me if Wallace goes on a tear with Cleveland, but I have my doubts that it happens.

And Joe Smith? Well he's Joe freakin Smith. It's not gonna keep me up at nights.



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For the Bulls this whole deal was about getting rid of Big Ben. Nothing else. He was toxic in the locker room, he forced out Skiles, and was being a giant baby and not playing near well enough to justify that kind of behavior.

I think at this point the Bulls are desperately trying to clear the decks for 2010 when both LeBron and Wade might be free agents, and the Bulls would love to sell Wade on coming home or James on following in MJ's footsteps.



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