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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I really wish some reporter would track down the owners and ask what took so long. Just to hear the rationale behind keeping him so long.


You have to understand, this is not normal ownership. There is NO actual rationale for anything done. Again, I point to the late Bill Wirtz of the Chicago Blackhawks as the only comparison to William Clay Ford Sr.

Look up Chuck Schmidt. Look up Russ Thomas. Look up the Lions record under Russ Thomas, and how long he held his job, and how he was never fired but retired. Ford Senior operates on an entirely different plane of reality than the rest of us, a plane Al Davis is apparently hoping to reach now.




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
As for Ford Sr. and Al Davis (who's been off his rocker ever since he benched Marcus Allen as far as I'm concerned), well, Guru Zim said it best.

Ok.

You are rich people. A certain segment of the population wants you to like them. They look up to you. When they meet you, they are looking for something - ANYTHING - as a touch-point to build rapport or to kiss your ass.

This is why people tell you that they like your stupid mannerisms. They look at you, think of your signature move, and then give a huckster laugh and smile and say how much they enjoy when you do your performance.

No one really likes your mannerisms. Everyone who tells you that they do is kissing your ass and disingenuous.

Please, look past it and stop being such buffoons.


Just remember, shit doesn't roll uphill and you can't get rid of an owner; at least without pitchforks, torches, and a mob of villagers. Matt Millen got a load of the blame for Detroit's woes (whoops, guess they forgot about the 90's, 80's, 70's, and 60's total lack of success). Now we get to see if it was actually warranted. Again, not saing the man was a genius and doesn't deserve some scrutiny; perhaps if he had the same chutzpah Ford Jr. showed in going on TV and making a statement there wouldn't be a perpetual downward spiral playing every Thanksgiving.

And to think they could've axed Millen earlier and picked up Parcells. Heh, still convinced Millen was the nitwit?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
Millen IS a nitwit. He has an NFL *worst* record for general managing. Under his watch the Lions missed on Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, Paul Posluszny and many MANY others through Millen's drafting "acumen". You'll have seen my earlier posts railing about Ford Senior's ownership, but owners aren't responsible for scouting talent. That's all Millen, and all the egg is on *his* face for that.

Now, as for hiring the right person? Yeah, that's Ford Senior's purview and he's just as bad at it. Worse, because there's no way to displace Ford Senior outside of natural death. So yes, the Lions will still be a league-wide joke even though Millen is fired. But Millen had a HISTORICALLY bad record as a general manager, and though you glossed it over the Lions *did* have marginal success during the 90s. With Matt "Screw the Offensive Line and Our Linebacking Corps, We Need Receivers" Millen out, surely the Lions can get out of the absolute bottom of the league and into the bottom half of the general mediocrity once again.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52

    Originally posted by Lexus
    (whoops, guess they forgot about the 90's, 80's, 70's, and 60's total lack of success)


Whoops, guess you forgot about their 6 playoff appearances between '91 and '99. And some excellent teams in the late 60's-early 70's with Joe Schmidt as head coach.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Under his watch the Lions missed on Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, Paul Posluszny and many MANY others through Millen's drafting "acumen".


Also, Roy Williams (the safety), Dwight Freeney, Jeremy Shockey, Albert Haynesworth, Javon Walker, Ed Reed, Andre Johnson, Terence Newman, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant, Troy Polamalu, Willis McGahee, Larry Johnson, Ben Roethlisberger, Will Smith, Vince Wilfork, Steven Jackson, Antonio Cromartie, Joseph Addai.

And that's just in the first round. Did I miss any?

(edited by Nuclear Winter on 26.9.08 1951)


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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by Lexus
      (whoops, guess they forgot about the 90's, 80's, 70's, and 60's total lack of success)


    Whoops, guess you forgot about their 6 playoff appearances between '91 and '99. And some excellent teams in the late 60's-early 70's with Joe Schmidt as head coach.


Guess I slept through all those Championships. Whoops, that's right, they didn't win them. They were just as successful as the Patriots last year; they weren't. Somewhere down the road they choked. This whole corrallary goes for the Vikings of the 70's AND '99, the Chargers of late (though they haven't become history yet and may overcome the hump), the Broncos of the 80's, the Bills of the early 90's, and even my Jets in the late 90's. I guess you could say there was some 'moral victory' to making it far, but if it were actual victory you wouldn't have to use a euphemism for loss.

    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Millen IS a nitwit. He has an NFL *worst* record for general managing. Under his watch the Lions missed on Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, Paul Posluszny and many MANY others through Millen's drafting "acumen". You'll have seen my earlier posts railing about Ford Senior's ownership, but owners aren't responsible for scouting talent. That's all Millen, and all the egg is on *his* face for that.


And you'll have seen my earlier post where I echoed this sentiment. This does not excuse the ownership for not seeing the writing on the wall and going after somebody who has a proven track record of winning in the NFL, or, at least, no track record of losing. Millen was bad, perhaps the worst in NFL history, and a textbook case of how not to run a franchise, but Ford Sr. played the roll of an enabler and accomplice and deserves just as much credit.

(edited by Lexus on 28.9.08 0414)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
I'm NOT taking away credit from Ford Senior. Have you seen my posts at all? It just seems like you're trying to gloss over what bad Millen has done by saying the blame ultimately lies with Ford Senior. That's just fallacious thinking. Ford Senior is the league's worst owner; Matt Millen was the league's worst general manager. Both of their "resumes" in their respective fields - Ford Senior in hirings, in (non) firings, in assessing front office personnel and Millen with his coaching decisions and non-decisions, his gutting of the 90s Lions that actually had some success for the franchise and continued ignoring of those veterans who wanted in with the organization to help, his inability to correct evaluate talent and hire scouts who could evaluate talent, and so much more - bear this out. But to somehow state Ford Senior is involved in the general manager's duties is ludicrous. You can't blame Ford Senior for talent evaluation, any more than you could blame Millen for...well, hiring himself. Blame Ford Senior for being a stubborn, idiotic fool who can't judge the merits of front office personnel and never, ever gives up on league-worst suits because they're his buddies. Blame Matt Millen for completely deconstructing the 90s Lions and for failing in HIS job.

Don't shift blame OFF of Millen just because Ford Senior is just as historically abysmally horrid at his job too.

(edited by BoromirMark on 28.9.08 1728)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
I'm not shifting blame off of Millen. I am acknowledging that blame lies between both Millen and Ford Sr. equally. I am also acknowledging that Ford Sr. waiting until NOW to fire the man is bad, and irregardless, firing your GM a few games into the season is a sign of giving up on your office, your players, and your fans, which is rediculous. If this firing had happened earlier, prior to the draft, it would have made more sense; now it's just a knee-jerk reaction 5 years too late. A wiser owner would have made the move a lot earlier and gotten someone more suitable for the job. I don't know what part of this says 'Matt Millen did an okay job' when the whole thing I'm saying is 'Ford Sr. should have done this long ago BECAUSE Matt Millen is highly inept as a GM', or 'Ford Sr. is dumb because he could have gotten a better GM'.

However, when the Lions do inevitably blow chunks, nobody will wear a bag on their head and carry a sign saying 'Sell the team' in honor of the schmuck that didn't listen to his own fans. If you think that such an effort would be futile, I'm sorry, but then again to send a proper message to Ford Sr. would be to not buy tickets nor anything with the Lions logo on it.



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