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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
Massive Spoilers!!!!!!


Och! Well, Xander has now paid a high price for Buffy's mistake. I was in shock on how tough the Priest is though. He was as oily as they come which is a good portrayl, but I want him to die and soon. Good to see Faith back, her scene with Spike was neat. The weeding out of the slayers begins, I can't wait to see who else pays it next week.

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If you want some massive spoilers, go to www.spoilerslayer.com, they have a farily detailed synopsis of the final episode...
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
No spoilers! (Hands over ears)

Wow, that was the most depressing thing ever. Priest Holmes runs through everyone without breaking a sweat, injures/kills at least a half-dozen potential slayers and (worst of all) BLINDS XANDER. Now he'll have to wear an eyepatch and possibly get a parrot.

So I'm getting the feeling that if one Firefly star (Nathan Fillion) is the First's emissary on this show, then another Firefly star (Gina Torres) is probably also an emissary of the First over on Angel. Way to find work for your actors, Joss.



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I'm upset I didn't seriously start watching the show until a few weeks ago. I've kinda followed previous years off and on, and watch some of the reruns that are on 5 times a day. The show is surprisingly clever and well done - a whole lot more than most people expect.



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#5 Posted on
Well, I for one am glad that the First finally got some muscle to back it up. Because up to this point, for something that is suppose to be the Biggest Bad, it wasn't very effective (unless school graffiti and riots is called effective). The scoobies got their asses kicked tonight, so that finally makes this threat seem legit.

(You know, a long time ago, I posted about how Buffy fans were bitching about Buffy not putting over the Ubervamp early in the season, comparing them to smarks. But heck, if I would have known that by defeating the Ubervamp, the First Evil was going to go into remission for most of the rest of the season, I probably would have been more apt to complain myself)
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#6 Posted on
To continue the smark comparison, this guy is getting the Goldberg push that we haven't seen since the Beast on Angel. I still can't believe that Xander lost an eye! I liked how Caleb called back to Xander's "Potential" speech about him being the guy that sees everything. Something big is in store for Xander. Losing his eye is just part of it all. I hope he doesn't lose much more.

Still, after six and a half years or fighting varieties of evil, losing an eye is still a relatively small loss considering how poorly things could have gone. I'm thinking that this is Joss' way of prepping us for the fact that since the end is nigh, all bets are off. No one is safe. (Except maybe Willow and Giles, if the rumors that they will each get their own show are true.)

The rest of the ep was okay. Caleb is a twisted bad ass. That's good. Faith and Spike flirted. Cute. Faith fought a vulcan. Funny. I'm glad I watched season 3 recently, cuz I wouldn't have remembered her killing the volcanologist.

When Caleb kept throwing everyone into the bottles of wine, after talking about burning their purity and using a matchstick, was anyone else surprised he didn't pull out a lighter and just torch the place. And why didn't they introduce him earlier (aside from the fact that he was shooting Firefly)? I like that he at least took credit for bombing the council and calling the bringers.

Does anyone else get the feeling that there would have been an ep in the second season of Firefly that would have had the Captain and the pilot's wife remembering the time way back when when they were agents of a great evil (if not the evil themselves?)

By the way (aintitcool.com), Fox is supposed to release Firefly season 1, unaired eps and all, for those who struggled to follow the plot despite being aired with no regards to order.




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#7 Posted on
**4/15 EP. SPOILERS CONTAINED WITHIN (I DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT FUTURE EPS.!)**
Wicked, wicked episode. I actually watched it last night thanks to an evil download. The show is so getting back on track after treading water for a few months and what do we get? Another rerun next week! Argh! S'alright, according to my math it's the last one. Watching it again tonight let me pick up the little cool things like Xander's "Go for the eyes, everything has eyes..."

Welcome Caleb! Where have you been?! Other than playing cowboys and indians in space, that is. I'm kinda hoping he merges with the First for the big final fight.

Falcon Crest! HA!

Is my new avatar too gruesome? I actually really like Xander, I just thought that shot made too cool an avatar to pass up. (Sorry if it's spoilerific, but if you're reading a Buffy thoughts thread without watching the ep first, it's your own damn fault!)

(edited by SchippeWreck on 15.4.03 2220)




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No, no no no......Take your spoiler page and go, I know too much already like who the big return is for the next episode and what happens then. I don't want to know anymore, I just want watch this and be surprised like last year's season finale. I already have a chance to see X-Men 2 and I am not, so I can wait two weeks for that I can wait five weeks for the finale.

It seems to me Caleb has been working in the dark for a long time probably prior to destroying the council. He seems to have yen for taking out anything that watches. I would like an explanation on how this guy is so tough, he is enhancted by the First or what? I assume we find out next week. I would like to see Xander get the kill on him or at least fucking him up enough for Buffy to do some damage to him. I don't think Xander will buy it since Joss refers to Xander has the closest thing to him on the show which is good or bad depending on how Joss feels about the show right now. I would asssume this is the worst Xander gets, so when he does wear an eye patch he looks like more of a bad ass in battle. Where was Anaya during this anyway?

It does seem to be leading to the fact the body count will be higher as we get closer to the end. I just hope Joss doesn't decide to light a match to each of the characters and burn the show down just because SMG, UPN and WB pissed him off. I think the universe has some great staying power and with the odds pointing to Angel coming back, he should at least let some of those guys live even though most of them are lame ie Conner, Lorne and Fred. My hope is that Joss sees past the death and destruction of past series finale and puts some hope back at the end rather then feeling bitter about it. I remember watching X-Files last year and feeling I waisted nine years of my life following that show. I don't want to feel that way about Buffy.

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#9 Posted on
A return next ep? You're saying too much. Not that I know anything, but shush...

Shippe, good point about Xander talking about going for the eyes. I get the feeling this whole season will come across so much better once we see how everything plays out. And I don't think your avatar is too spoileriffic, since its not clear what's going on unless you know what's going on. It might be on the gruesome side, but I'm still reeling from the shock of witnessing that scene about five hours ago.

I think that Xander isn't just Joss' avatar, for lack of a better term, in the Buffy universe. From my perspective, Xander, being the normal teenage guy, represented most males of that age who watched the show. He was the character I most identified with. Granted its happening at the end of the show's run, but injuring Xander in such a gruesome fashion both severs the tie between Xander and those fans (and Joss), but also its the same as gouging out each of their own eyes. Joss may be more twisted than I suspect before.

And I can't see Joss destroying the Buffy mythos simply out of anger at SMG, WB, or UPN. Its his creation, I think he'll end it the way that makes most sense to him. If he destroys everything, then that's part of the point he wanted to make with the show.


Edit: Also, WITHOUT getting into actual SPOILERS and plot details, I saw somewhere that the Angel season finale was to air the same night as the Buffy series finale (5/20). Has anyone else heard/seen this?

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I have heard Buffy's finale two hours long, but nothing about Angel. They are on different night too, so unless Joss wants it that way ie Buffy goes on at 8 and Angel wraps everything up at 9, then I could see it. Unless one of the networks decided to change nights to screw with the other one. That would really suck.

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I can't believe no one's mentioned the odd abscence of Anya. Not even an explanation. That was abit odd.

Now i'm one who visits spoiler slayer often though i've been trying to stay away when it comes to the finally stuff. Though i've heard some good and bad things which I shall not mention. I read about whole Xander losing an eye thing weeks ago but it still just gave me that "holy sh*t" feeling though. This week's episode had to be one of my favorites yet this season. I too enjoy Caleb and wish we could've seen abit more of him earlier in the season. Seeing that this is episode 18 and there've always been 22 episodes in a season, it's hard to believe that the end is near. I just hope the finale ties up all the storylines in this season and doesn't fall flat.

Oh and kudos to Joss for the SIT fantasy sequence. Pillow fights=ratings. Hah.


(random subtle vent: WHY COULDN'T HAVE CHLOE STUCK AROUND TO AT LEAST DIE IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE AT THE HANDS OF CALEB?? WHY JOSS? WHY?? she owned.)



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If you wanted to get really bizarrely meta-textual, you could probably make some really significant argument about how Xander's dream was another look at his kind of "sight." After all, although his dream was highly sexual, these girls must be thinking of all the things they never got to experience before having this duty foisted upon them. As such, Xander is seeing their desperation through his own comfortable filter of sex, because seeing their horror in his dream, without a kind of disguise, would also have shown his own. Then you could view his speech about Buffy as one of selective sight, as he is opting to view his respect for Buffy before viewing his own terror at the situation.

But that would be just nutty.

And thank God they killed the English/Aussie/What? slayer-in-training. That girl's accent credibility ranked right up there with Drusilla and her "Ah-ih dahwant knawe wha' ewe me-an" delivery.



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I think the reason why I didn't like this episode is that this is finally the point at which I've really given up on anything good at all happening for these characters. Even all through last season, at least there was the carrot that one of these days, they were going to get some sense knocked into them. But it just isn't happening.

I love this year's Big Bad, and I think Caleb is as a good an emissary for the first as any, but I'm really wishy washy on the characters right now. Buffy has failed in her role of emotional leader, which kind of hurts her role as "hero" on the show. And Xander, the character with whom I (and alot of other people) most closely identify with, keeps getting cut down without making progress. If the season ends well, great, if it doesn't, the series is going to end on a REALLY down swing.

That said, I've given up trying to look for the bad parts of the episodes. I really enjoyed Faith's interactions with everyone (including her shock at the idea that she was the "good" Slayer). I thought Andrew was funny once again, especially his working in of Star Trek into Buffy storylines. Also, liked Spike's insecurity when it comes to comparisons with Angel.

One thing I think could be better though: Caleb needs to work the "false sincerity" thing more, and the "preacher out for vengence" thing less.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I couldn't help myself, I read the spoilers for the finale. I would say that would be a great end to the series, however Joss at this moment is probably rewriting the last two episodes. He has a tendancy to leak stuff on the net then change it around like Giles being the First and leaking the plots for Season 5 and 6. I like the ending he has now. I am just hoping he changes one or two things

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
Found this tripe from Mr. Gellar on Zap2it.com:

Without going into specifics, Prinze hints that the later seasons of "Buffy" may have been rough for his bride.

"A lot of people owe Sarah a lot for doing that show," Prinze says, "and she doesn't always get the credit she deserves. She's a very strong woman, because she deals with a lot of nonsense, and instead of that nonsense, she should be thanked -- and she's not. That's the reason she won't be coming back."

EDIT: Looks like someone's been taking Celebrity Spouse PR lessons from Brenda Warner.

(edited by Simba on 18.4.03 1104)


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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by Simba
    Found this tripe from Mr. Gellar on Zap2it.com:

    Without going into specifics, Prinze hints that the later seasons of "Buffy" may have been rough for his bride.

    "A lot of people owe Sarah a lot for doing that show," Prinze says, "and she doesn't always get the credit she deserves. She's a very strong woman, because she deals with a lot of nonsense, and instead of that nonsense, she should be thanked -- and she's not. That's the reason she won't be coming back."

    EDIT: Looks like someone's been taking Celebrity Spouse PR lessons from Brenda Warner.

    (edited by Simba on 18.4.03 1104)



So is he referring to the fact that possibly everyone else on the show seems to hate her?



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Nathan Fillion is the MAN. Knocking Buffy loopy with one hit? "What else you got?" ROCK.

Anya=WHERE? I thought her and Faith would have at least a couple interesting things to say to each other.

Poor, poor Xander. You know, I'm still sore he never got Buffy since he's the allegorical "Friendzoned Right One That the Girl Never Sees." Live Xand man, live! I've lost Jonathon I can't lose you... *SNIFF*




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I haven't been pleased with the show since Season 5, really, and that was hit-and-miss.

Whedon adds characters to the cast arbitrarily that bring nothing to the table (Andrew, Kennedy), and he gives them screen time over entrenched fan favorites (Anya especially, Xander and Willow to a lesser degree).

He also has done his best to make the characters as unlikable as possible, I assume to give them "human flaws." To me, this just makes me apathetic as to what happens to them.

The thing that bothers me the most, however, is that he seems to throw out established facts for no apparent reason. The most glaring exaple of this is that, circa S6, magic was an evil addiction for Willow, and she couldn't use it without evil results. Now she apparently can do whatever the hell she wants with it, with no repercussions. What the fuck?

I've lost all my faith in Whedon, and I find myself rooting for the big bad, and wishing that Caleb would just slaughter the entire cast.



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Two questions...

A few episodes back I heard mention that Willow just now learned that Xander didn't deliver a message in season one. Can anyone explain this?

And who besides Teddy bear backpack Potential got killed last week??



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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    Two questions...

    A few episodes back I heard mention that Willow just now learned that Xander didn't deliver a message in season one. Can anyone explain this?



Season 2. Willow sent Xander to tell Buffy to try to hold Angel off while she worked the Soul Restoring Mojo. Xander ran into Buffy, but letting his dislike for Angel and sensitivity to Buffy's situation get the best of him, he offered up "Willow said kick his ass".

In one of her tirades this season, Buffy threw that out there to damn Willow for trying to be a voice of reason about killing Anya, and Willow finally found out that her message never got through.



    And who besides Teddy bear backpack Potential got killed last week??


Was that the British one? Eh, most of them are nameless blobs.


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    Whedon adds characters to the cast arbitrarily that bring nothing to the table (Andrew, Kennedy), and he gives them screen time over entrenched fan favorites (Anya especially, Xander and Willow to a lesser degree).


I for one love Andrew. He's established enough, and he's there to play clueless comic relief, which alot of heavy handed episodes (like last week) need. Xander and Anya will sometimes pull that out, but Xander's character's humor has been pretty spotty of late. Anya is consistantly funny, but there are a lot of people who don't like her character, and really she serves as little more than cannon fodder in the story right now, so there's no reason for her to be there.

Though I hate Kennedy and her storyline, I don't dislike the reasoning behind why she's there. The headstrong sure of herself Slayerette, whom the others are more likely to rally behind than whiny bitchy Buffy. It works on some levels.



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