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From espn.com:


    An already full quarterback depth chart in Tampa Bay grew uncomfortably crowded on Saturday when the Bucs reached a contract agreement with free agent Rob Johnson, released last week by the Buffalo Bills, and regarded as a talented but flawed performer.

    Details of the agreement were not immediately available. Johnson earlier in the week declined the opportunity to sign with the expansion Houston Texans, where it is believed that he was offered a one-year contract worth $1 million.

    New coach Jon Gruden had acknowledged Friday he would like to bring Johnson aboard.

    "I can't wait to get to work with Coach Gruden and his staff," said Johnson in a press release the team distributed on Saturday afternoon. "He is a special coach and this team has special players. I look forward to competing and contributing here."

    It is unclear what ramifications the addition of the seven-year veteran will mean for incumbent starter Brad Johnson, who was supposed to be the final piece of the team's Super Bowl puzzle when signed as a free agent last spring, but who struggled in the Bucs offense.

    Gruden went out of his way in his introductory press conference to cite the potential of backup quarterback Shaun King. At last weekend's combine sessions in Indianapolis, he inquired about veteran quarterback Jeff Blake, who had just been released by the New Orleans Saints. And then this week Tampa Bay began its flirtation with Rob Johnson, who was cut by the Bills after he declined to accept a dramatic salary reduction.

    Clearly, the Bucs organization believes that Johnson possesses too much physical skill to ignore, but it's not his athletic ability that has ever been questioned. Johnson never fit in with the Bills and did not make himself a part of the Buffalo community. He never bought a home, even rented an apartment, and lived in a hotel during the season there.

    The departure of Johnson, 28, saved the Bills a whopping $6.15 million on their 2002 salary cap, as Buffalo avoided paying his $4 million base salary and $2.15 million roster bonus that was due on March 1. The Bills will have to carry a $5.075 million cap charge for Johnson, the remaining prorated share of his signing bonus.

    The Bills sought to re-sign Johnson to a one-year contract that included a $1.5 million signing bonus and a base of about $1 million.

    Johnson was acquired by Buffalo via a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars in 1998, with the Bills surrendering first- and fourth-round draft picks to land him. He battled with Doug Flutie for the starting job in Buffalo and general manager Tom Donahoe and coach Gregg Williams decided to keep him over the more senior quarterback last year. Johnson never reached a comfort level with his teammates or the fans, though, and his '01 season was limited to eight games by a shoulder injury.

    In his four seasons with the Bills, he appeared in 30 games and started 26. Johnson completed 401 of 663 passes for 4,798 yards, with 27 touchdown passes and 17 interceptions. Despite his strong arm and athleticism, Johnson lacks pocket awareness, often holds onto the ball too long, and takes far too many sacks. He was sacked once every seven dropbacks during his four years with the Bills.


I have no idea why the Bucs would do this unless they have plans to drop Brad Johnson. Money poorly spent, that could have been used to sign free agents like Shannon Sharpe (and the Bucs need a tight end).



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So the Problem was not Tony Dungy?

I say give Shawn King another chance, He was a good QB when at Tulane.



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    Originally posted by CajunMan
    So the Problem was not Tony Dungy?

    I say give Shawn King another chance, He was a good QB when at Tulane.



He was also a good QB in his year and a half as the Bucs starter. I agree totally. I wish they would let Brad Johnson go and put King in the starter's role.



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I heard one of the ESPN talking heads say that Gruden was very high on King when he came out of college.





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Geez, if they would just go sign Jeff George they'd have a monopoly on great arm/no brain QB's. Hire Todd Marinovich as QB Coach and it could be beautiful.



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Geez, when I said that I didn't think Brad Johnson was the guy, and maybe they need to bring someone in, I wasn't thinking of Rob Johnson.

I agree with the others, out of the quarterbacks on the current Bucs roster, Shawn King would be the one I would start.
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Robbie Boy is the biggest suck ass in all of football. Robbie boy is a panty waste, he's totally not a Jon Gruden kind of guy. This is going to end up realy bad for Robbie boy, and he deserves it.
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I dont know why everyone hates on Brad Johnson, when healthy he is one of the best QB's in the league. Hes had pro bowl seasons in Minnesota and in DC. The Bucs problem wasnt Brad Johnson. Coaching has done in the Bucs. And Im not saying that Dungy was a bad coach, but he couldnt get the offensive coordinator that he needed. And Shaun King is not ready to carry the role of a starter. And you damn sure dont start him when youve go a veteran like Brad Johnson sitting there.




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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    I dont know why everyone hates on Brad Johnson, when healthy he is one of the best QB's in the league. Hes had pro bowl seasons in Minnesota and in DC. The Bucs problem wasnt Brad Johnson. Coaching has done in the Bucs. And Im not saying that Dungy was a bad coach, but he couldnt get the offensive coordinator that he needed. And Shaun King is not ready to carry the role of a starter. And you damn sure dont start him when youve go a veteran like Brad Johnson sitting there.



The rason I don't like Brad Johnson is because, while "experts" are quick to point out that he is the third-highest passer in league history in completion %, he throws nothing but dump screen passes to the running backs. He's the kind of guy who will complete 20 passes, but only gain 120 yards.

At least King during his year and a half as starter was willing to take some risks. You say his not prepared, but as a rookie he led the team to the NFC Central Title, the NFC Title game, and one controversial call away from the Super Bowl. He then led tham into the playoffs again during his second year. Give him the ball, and base your franchise's future around him I say.



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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan

      Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
      I dont know why everyone hates on Brad Johnson, when healthy he is one of the best QB's in the league. Hes had pro bowl seasons in Minnesota and in DC. The Bucs problem wasnt Brad Johnson. Coaching has done in the Bucs. And Im not saying that Dungy was a bad coach, but he couldnt get the offensive coordinator that he needed. And Shaun King is not ready to carry the role of a starter. And you damn sure dont start him when youve go a veteran like Brad Johnson sitting there.



    The rason I don't like Brad Johnson is because, while "experts" are quick to point out that he is the third-highest passer in league history in completion %, he throws nothing but dump screen passes to the running backs. He's the kind of guy who will complete 20 passes, but only gain 120 yards.

    At least King during his year and a half as starter was willing to take some risks. You say his not prepared, but as a rookie he led the team to the NFC Central Title, the NFC Title game, and one controversial call away from the Super Bowl. He then led tham into the playoffs again during his second year. Give him the ball, and base your franchise's future around him I say.




Thas unfair to Johnson because youre judging him because of what he did in the too conservatrive Bucs offense. Give him the right coordinator like he had in 1996 & 1997 (Brian Billick) or an offensive minded coach like Norv Turner (Wash in 1999, 4000 yards 24 td passes) he can excel and put up Pro Bowl numbers. I like Shaun King, but all he was asked to do was not fuck it up. When they needed offense like in the Philly playoff game he couldnt air it out like they needed. That could be blamed on the coaches because Johnson couldnt get in the endzone againt Philly neither, buts thats neither here nor there. The fact is Dungy wasnt offensive minded enough and hes gone. Gruden is in town and Johnson is a top tier QB. The Bucs best chances of winning are with Johnson (Brad that is) I think. Shaun King is young and he has time to develop but this is Brads time. If hes stays healthy the Bucs are Super Bowl contenders. Especially since they will dominate that weak (Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans) NFC south division.

(edited by rockdotcom_2.0 on 11.3.02 0313)
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NOT from espn.com:

Rob Johnson sprained his wrist earlier this week while signing his new contract from Tampa Bay. While Bucs' officials declined to comment on whether he "held the pen too long" he's expected to be listed as questionable for the start of training camp.
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..This is the same Rob Johnson who led Buffalo to something like a 5-11 record last year after being touted as the "better" QB there, post-Flutie. (I'm assuming that was the thinking behind Bills' management, since I don't see the logic behind keeping the bad QB.) Now the Bucs sign him. Somehow, I'm getting that whole "Major League" vibe coming from the Bucs, only without the move to Miami. Is that just me?
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Ok the Bucs arent making Rob Johnson to be the starter, give them some credit. Good backups are rare in the NFL, and now the Bucs have two quality ones. Rob can work as a backup give him that.



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That's a lot of money to dump in the Quarterback slot though.
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