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It felt like this was a direct continuation of last week. Like they could have run these two back to back in a two hour block. I'm guessing the reason they didn't was to keep us from being so depressed by the end of it that we'd all kill ourselves.

They had to have this show though. Small advances in plot points while still highlighting the continuing desperate situation. Tyrol losing still another piece of his humanity finding out he's not the father. Adama and Roslyn finally (FINALLY) getting it on. Tigh and Six have their first ultrasound. Starbuck is still all frakked up. Baltar coming full circle on his religion by denouncing God. Lots of small, but important story points.

I feel bad for Gaeta. I don't want to. I want to hate him. Especially after singing like a fag. But the guy really has been on the wrong end of a lot of stuff. It all goes back to New Caprica. He left the fleet to be Baltar's chief of staff and watched Baltar continually disappoint. He kept waiting for Baltar to do the right thing and resist but it never happened. So he resisted.

How is he thanked for his role on New Caprica? He almost gets blown out at airlock. By, as he pointed out, people who later turned out to be Cylons or Cylon lovers.

He comes back to the fleet and he sees Baltar go on trial for his role. In his mind, Baltar should have eaten a Cylon bullet on New Caprica standing up for the human race. When it appears he'll get off (AGAIN), he does something about it, albeit by lying about incriminating evidence. But once again Baltar goes free. The Right Thing To Do isn't done.

Then he winds up on the garbage scow floating around with Starbuck in charge. He's shot by a Cylon for doing his job.

The guy has seen what he feels are failures of leadership all throughout the series. Now the leaders are thinking of making the Cylons citizens, like New Caprica or the Apocalypse never happened. Like all that he did for humanity was for nothing.

He's desperate for a leader. He's not a leader, he knows this. So it's only natural that he goes to Zarek.

Like I said, I want to hate the guy, but at the same time I see his point.

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I get the sense that this is just the slow burn that puts some of the pieces in place for when shit starts hitting the fan. But I am kind of ready for things to get going.

    Originally posted by Pete
    I want to hate him. Especially after singing like a fag.


Classy.

You do realize that Gaeta is, in fact, a homosexual and is currently in a relationship with Lieutenant Louis Hoshi - as it was revealed in the webisode called The Face of the Enemy.
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Yes, I'm aware. That doesn't make his singing any less gay.

As a side note, why is it that writers feel like we need to know certain characters sexual orientation? Is that supposed to change my perception of them? I can't say it does. Gaeta making Draedis contact with another dude doesn't really change his character in my eyes. It seems completely superfluous to the story. Just like when JK Rowling announced Dumbledore was gay.
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    Originally posted by Pete
    As a side note, why is it that writers feel like we need to know certain characters sexual orientation? Is that supposed to change my perception of them? I can't say it does. Gaeta making Draedis contact with another dude doesn't really change his character in my eyes. It seems completely superfluous to the story. Just like when JK Rowling announced Dumbledore was gay.


I know what you mean. I HATE it when fictions that are primarily plot and character driven try to incorporate the complexities of modern day life. It's like they're trying to relate it to the real world or something.

And what about Adama and Roslyn!?! Cancer sex is totally gross!
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Okay then. Tell me how it's relevant. Give me the slightest reason to believe this was a necessary part of any storyline, not just some tidbit dropped by the writers to shock or titillate the fans.

Maybe I'm wrong and his sexual orientation plays a much larger role in the telling of this story than I deigned to believe.

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    Originally posted by Pete
    Yes, I'm aware. That doesn't make his singing any less gay.

    As a side note, why is it that writers feel like we need to know certain characters sexual orientation? Is that supposed to change my perception of them? I can't say it does. Gaeta making Draedis contact with another dude doesn't really change his character in my eyes. It seems completely superfluous to the story. Just like when JK Rowling announced Dumbledore was gay.


You know, when you claim that you don't want to know about secual orientation because you don't think it's relevant (but only when it's *gay* sexual orientation--you don't complain when they have characters find relationships of the opposite sex) while simultaneously using "gay" and "fag" as insults, it's hard not to dismiss you as completely homophobic.
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You're right. My use of that terminology was inexcusable.

To whomever I offended, I apologize.

Who said I don't object to characters finding relationships of the opposite sex? I don't care who is doing what with whom *unless* it's relevant to moving the plot along.

All I ask is for a story to be told. Extraneous details don't help. I don't care if Galactica has six onboard water storage tanks or seven, unless that somehow becomes a plot point. There's a story to be told, and I eagerly anticipate things that will move it along. If the details of a characters life of germane, then I trust the writers to fill us in on said details. I don't appreciate titillation for titillation's sake at the expense of that story.

Details should affect the story. For instance, earlier we found out Lee's grandfather was a lawyer, an important one on Caprica. This extraneous detail eventually became important when Lee found himself in a situation where he recalled his grandfather and was driven to try his hand at law and politics. The detail affected his character development as well as the overall story. Winner.

Right now this particular detail smacks of sloppy writing, which stands out on a usually well written show. Not quite as sloppy as the Dualla/Lee relationship that materialized from nowhere, but close. Should Gaeta's preferences become a plot point, I'll gladly eat my words and praise the writers vociferously. I don't see that happening though.

ETA another interview with Ron Moore. I like reading these for the additional insight into stuff I probably missed.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/battlestar-galactica-ron-moore-disquiet-follows-my-soul.html

'Battlestar Galactica's' Ron Moore discusses 'A Disquiet Follows My Soul'

Below is an interview with Ronald D. Moore, executive producer of “Battlestar Galactica,” who talked about the Jan. 23 episode of the show, “A Disquiet Follows My Soul.” Moore wrote the episode, and he also directed it; it was his first time in the director’s chair. I highly recommend watching "Disquiet" before reading what's below.

By the way, Moore talked about the major events of last week’s outing, “Sometimes a Great Notion," here. The writers and director of that episode also shared their thoughts about it.

I didn’t get a chance to prepare any notes or extensive thoughts on “A Disquiet Follows My Soul,” the Jan. 23 episode of “Battlestar Galactica,” But I’ve listed a few favorite quotes and moments below.

* Tigh and Cottle smoking together. That can't happen enough.
* Starbuck’s showdown with Gaeta, during which she says, “At least I’m not a gimp.” Oh snap.
* When it comes to Gaeta, keep in mind that the events of the "Face of the Enemy" Webisodes happened after what transpired in "Sometimes a Great Notion," the Jan. 16 episode, and before the events of "Disquiet."
* In the quorum scene, Zarek makes a lot of good points about Adama and Roslin’s leadership (and if I were Jane Schmoe in the fleet, I’d be shocked that suddenly now we’re BFFs with the Cylons, even to the point that we’re putting their technology in our ships. Seriously?)
* A drunk, angry, bitter Baltar is a fun Baltar. Fun in a scary, freaky way, of course.
* Tigh to Tyrol on the “who’s a Cylon” confusion: “Maybe you’d like a chart to keep it all straight?”
* Adama: “You know, there are days I really hate this job.”
* And of course, Laura and Adama in bed together at the end. This isn’t a show that oversupplies us with happy images; this was one of the nicest. I thought it was swell.

Here’s Moore talking about many of those developments. Questions are in bold, answers are in regular type.


What we’re seeing seems to be a mirror image of what happened in the Cylon world -- there are these fractures and different factions arise and become mortal enemies. Is that what is happening? It seems like there’s a serious amount of “disquiet” in the fleet, especially regarding Cylon alliance.

It seemed like, once Earth was shown to be a dream, a dream that wasn’t going to come to fruition, and now you turn around and now you’re in bed with the Cylons -- not everyone is going to get aboard that ship. It felt like it was perfectly natural that differences of opinion were *really* going to start to grow and people were *really* going to question their leaders.

Adama and Laura have led us .. where? Why should we listen to them anymore? Why should we think they know what they’re talking about? Now they’re asking us to go into an alliance with the Cylons? The Cylons? After all this? It seemed like if the fleet was going to become unglued, it would be over this issue at this time.

It struck me that Adama was very speedy in his decision-making, like, “OK, we’re doing this.” Is it just a case of him thinking, “Hey, this is survival. We have to do what we have to do”?

Adama, I think, has always had a really strong streak of pragmatism alongside his idealism. Once he decided to walk back into that CIC at the end of “Sometimes a Great Notion,” he’s bought into an idea of, “OK, we’re going to settle for something less than what we thought [we could get]. We’re going to survive somehow, we’re going to look for somewhere to live and I’m going to do whatever it takes at this point.”

Now I think he’s in the game of, how many half-measures is he willing to take? “Cylons, OK, we’re in an alliance with them. OK, I’m going place a bet on this one too. We’re going to use their technology.” He’s just trying to make it work. He’s trying to let go of what he thought they were going to end up with and where he thought they were going to go. He’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

The adoption of Cylon technology and putting in the ships in the fleet -- I can absolutely see why people would think that’s a very bad idea.

Yeah.

It’s one thing to get in bed with them militarily, but then to bring aboard their technology. Which they don’t really understand...

Oh yeah. The whole series begins with Adama saying he won’t have networked computers on the Galactica. It was really a big issue to them. It was the nature of their downfall 50 years ago. Their own technology turned against them, and now they’re being asked to embrace that technology to survive. It’s easy to see that a lot of them are going, “Wait a minute -- what?”

It’s hard for me to see Adama do that. He’s the guy who would have, if he had not been in a hospital bed, had a stroke if he’d seen Gaeta network the ship’s computers in Season 2.

Yeah.

But do you think his values, what he can tolerate, have changed?

Yeah, I think he’s changing, he’s trying to -- now it’s just about keeping one foot in front of the other. But as you’ll see, he’s still going to be drawing limits about how much he’ll embrace that Cylon technology going forward. He didn’t exactly put Cylon technology aboard Galactica. He was saying, “Sure, those other ships in the fleet. Maybe we’ll put Cylon technology on their ships.”

And I guess to see it from his side, those Cylons are just as under the gun as the Galactica fleet is. They have nowhere to go, are they going to screw over their only allies in the universe?

I think he has this sense of, “We’re in this together,” even if he doesn’t trust them 100 percent, I think he’s in the 90s.

[laughter]

He’s trying to say, “OK, look, these guys are screwed, we’re screwed, maybe we’re all screwed together, let’s try to make the best of this.” I’m sure he keeps -- in fact, I know he keeps looking over his shoulder at them, but his options are just dwindling. He’s just not a man with a lot of choices. He doesn’t have a lot of hope up ahead of him. There’s no specific point they’re trying to get to. The best thing they can hope for now is that they’ll bump into a planet they might be able to live on. In view of that, he takes help where he can get it.

Yeah, it’s the devil you know, I guess. So should we take from Lee’s incredibly ill-advised statement at the press conference that Tigh has told at least a couple of people about Ellen? Lee and Admiral Adama?

Yeah,the assumption is, he told Adama, so Adama and Lee know and perhaps Laura, essentially only the very top echelon knows.

Why did you need to establish that Nicky is not the Chief’s baby?


Well, we’re starting to sort of resolve some of the plot threads and provide answers to things and one of the questions was, “Is Hera the only hybrid, the only Cylon-human child, or not?” If Nicky was a Cylon-human child, what does that mean? Now there’s two of them. It was important to the mythology of the show that only Hera be the only one. We had always sort of said that.

So you had to sort of retrofit...

Yeah, we had to retrofit that. We knew that was going to be a problem back when we decided that Tyrol was a Cylon. We said, “OK, how are we going to deal with that?” And [someone] said, “Well, maybe at some point we just find out Tyrol’s not the father.” And we all kind of laughed. And then we said, “Actually, that’s a very elegant solution to it.” We just say, “Tyrol’s not the father,” and we move on.

And that’s kind of how the show is. We take these gambles, then we take time to make sure it fits in with what we’ve got. Or we try to at least address it and make it fit into what we’ve got, so the mosaic is still consistent.

Does that meant that Cally cheated on the Chief? Were they together when she had her fling with Hot Dog?

I think Cottle says [the child was conceived] before they got married. I think she had some kind of relationship with Hot Dog, before she and Chief got married. But that all kind of falls into that missing year of time in between the end of Season 2 and the beginning of Season 3.

You know what, honestly, I would feel bad if, retroactively, Cally was a cheater. She went through enough.

I don’t think she was cheating. The intention was not that she was cheating on Tyrol. It was that she had some kind of relationship with Hot Dog, you know, before or concurrent with, as she and Tyrol were getting together. In my mind, Tyrol, like, in a moment, proposed to her. And she was stunned and said yes, but she had probably slept with Hot Dog three weeks before or something like that. It was one of those kinds of circumstances.

Got it. Because, you know, the Compendium of Bad Things that Happened to Cally ...

[laughs] I know.

I’ve been re-watching the earlier seasons, and I developed this theory that you guys would sit around and go, “What’s the worst thing that happens in this episode? Can it happen to Cally?”

[laughs] I know.

So I just hoped that, you know, even in death, bad things would not continue to happen to her.

No, no. She wasn’t a cheater. It was just one of those things.

Just switching gears completely, does Laura want to die? I mean, obviously, she’s got this post-meds euphoria....

I think she’s embracing the fact that she’s gonna die. And in “Disquiet,” she’s just decided, you know, “I want to live a little before I die.” And she just doesn’t want to spend her remaining time caught up in fleet politics and responsibility and all the rest of that [expletive]. She’s just checked out.

She led them to a place that turned out to be false and in her mind, she has nothing more to offer. She was going to take them to Earth, and she did take them to Earth and it was all for naught. OK, now what? Now she’s still dying. She still has cancer. And she doesn’t have any of the answers for anybody else, and she just wants to live her remaining days the way she wants to live them, and “Leave me alone.”

I sensed some anger in Mary [McDonnell]’s performance too, you know, Laura’s angry at herself, the world, the circumstances, the universe. And that’s part of the reason she’s like, “I’m done.”

She was the face of the search for Earth, she was the voice. She was the president. She was the one saying, “It’s all going to be OK. Believe in me. Believe in the prophecies. Believe in Earth. There is a better tomorrow. Come on people, get up. Let’s go.” She was that person. And when it turns out not to be true, I think there’s a huge amount of guilt, of anger, of just incredibly conflicted feelings for Laura.

I thought it was sweet how you bookended the episode, first showing Adama alone in bed, alone in his quarters, then at the end he’s with her. It was just a really nice, intimate moment. And fans of that relationship will collectively lose their minds.

[laughter]

Was that the intention, to make those fans lose their minds, or was it just a natural place to take their relationship?

It was both. It felt like, we had built this relationship very carefully, in little, tiny steps along the way, and they had said they loved one another, they had kissed each other. And there was something beautiful about seeing them actually in bed together, especially with her with her bald head and in chemo, just -- vulnerable, naked, but sexy. There was something beautiful about that image I wanted to get, here in the last half [of the season].

And there was also something great about giving that to the fans of that relationship and saying, “You know what, enjoy this. It really did come to pass. It wasn’t all just coy and it wasn’t all just looks and hints and this and that. Adama and Roslin loved each other and had a relationship.”

And you know what? She’s glowing in that scene. She’s beautiful. It’s really cool that in all this darkness -- this woman is dying, everything is messed up -- she’s beautiful and she’s glowing and she’s living in the moment.

Yeah.

But you know, looking at Adama and Roslin in a different light, just politically, as Zarek is talking in that Quorum scene, I was thinking, “This guy is making a lot of good points.”

Sure!


His argument is not really fair in some regards, but it’s hard to argue with the points he raises about the way they’ve ruled and the way they’ve led.

I thought he was actually very fair. I wanted his argument to be really solid, he had a very strong case to make. If you were in Colonial One, sitting in that council chamber, you’d be going, “Yeah, wait a minute. Where’s this Adama-Roslin [administration] taking us? Because it has not taken us any place good.”

Yeah, I was with him in that scene, I think he did raise a lot of good points. I just think, it’s like what Adama said about Cain, events and actions have to be seen in context. Zarek being the master propagandist, he’s going to give everything the context that makes them look really bad.

Sure, that’s politics. He had a very strong political argument to make. And people would actually listen to that argument.

What’s the importance of Caprica Six’s baby?


We’ll deal with that in episodes coming up. Caprica Six and Tigh would be the first Cylon-Cylon pairing that came to fruition.

Baltar’s scene is getting very dark. Is that meant to evoke a Jim Jones/People’s Temple sort of thing, like, “Something bad is going to happen here?”

It’s certainly coming right up to the edge of that, yeah. It felt right that, again, with Earth turning out to be nothing, Baltar has invested in this idea of God, that God will protect His children and take them somewhere. “We all have to give ourselves over to God.” And then God takes you *here*. And Baltar’s response is, “Well, [expletive] God! Maybe he should come down here and apologize to us!”

I thought he was maybe advocating some position like, “We have been unworthy children. What sins have you committed, what have you done wrong?” That kind of thing. Is there that element of it too, perhaps we brought God’s wrath down on us?

There’s a bit of that, but mostly he was saying that, “Is this your fault, what dark thoughts have you had, what evil thoughts have you had? Nothing? Then maybe it’s not your fault.”

So... atheism! It’s Baltar’s new thing!

“Atheism! [laughter] Let’s go back to that!” Because this God thing isn’t working out so well either.

Adama keeps saying he doesn’t feel well in the episode. Is that, again, just the “disquiet”? What’s that about? Is it just that he’s very tired?

Yeah, it’s just that, there are just so many things weighing on him. He’s been drinking a lot. He’s been taking pain pills. He’s just not feeling good.

I can see that. I just didn’t know if there was anything more to it than that. I don’t know if I can take anyone else checking out.

It’s not a sign of something deeper.

Just in general, to me this episode felt like it was setting up things for the future, and also a little bit of a breather -- taking stock and seeing where everyone was. Is that kind of how it felt? After “Sometimes a Great Notion” -- well, you couldn’t have another one of those.

That was my feeling as well. I wanted just a character piece after that, that just sort of talked about where their lives are and tried to just catch up with people and see where they are in their lives before the next big story turn.

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    Originally posted by Pete
    Who said I don't object to characters finding relationships of the opposite sex? I don't care who is doing what with whom *unless* it's relevant to moving the plot along.



I am guessing that this is precisely the reason that this "titillating" detail was revealed in a webisode and not in an actual episode of the show. Frankly, I don't find it all that titillating or shocking, but to each their own.
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I'm guessing along the lines of what Ordway does on EEI in Boston, with a mixture of sport writers and ex-athletes. On the ex-athlete front, I can see Dykstra and Simms, as both had hour segments with Francessa in the last week.
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