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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.17
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    And now Brady Quinn has been traded to the Broncos.

      Originally posted by Adam Schefter
      Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn.
    That haul strikes me as, um, low.


"Brady traded for Peyton" COULD have been bigger news.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    ...and lost Brady Quinn that if ever starts his career will give you 10-15 good seasons...

Still on that Quinn-is-better-than-Akili-Smith bandwagon, huh? I don't think Browns fans will be crying any time soon.

Seeing this trade (along with the Wallace signing) makes me think, "Hey! The Browns ALMOST have a usable offense in Madden now!"

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Congrats Browns fans, you got an over the hill QB that if resurrects his career will give you a few more seasons tops and lost Brady Quinn that if ever starts his career will give you 10-15 good seasons for basically nothing.

Presumably the Browns decided Brady Quinn isn't ever going to be The Guy, and to be fair he's given them plenty of cause to think that way. He *might* turn it round in Denver, but in Cleveland he was done. Once they make that decision, they may as well take the best offer on the table for him, bring in a couple of vets and draft a young guy to learn from them.

The fact that the best trade offer they got was not far north of "a couple of pogs and whatever change you've got in your pocket" says plenty for how the other 31 teams grade Quinn's potential at this point. I mean, come on, hoping for 10-15 good seasons from a guy who thus far has had none is abusing optimism. The over-under on good seasons from Brady Quinn is probably more in the 1-2 region at this point.

Delhomme? Probably doesn't have anything left as a starter but the change of scenery might do him some good, and he's obviously got better value as a mentor than does Brady Quinn.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Seeing this trade (along with the Wallace signing) makes me think, "Hey! The Browns ALMOST have a usable offense in Madden now!"

Let's not get carried away now
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      ...and lost Brady Quinn that if ever starts his career will give you 10-15 good seasons...

    Still on that Quinn-is-better-than-Akili-Smith bandwagon, huh? I don't think Browns fans will be crying any time soon.

    Seeing this trade (along with the Wallace signing) makes me think, "Hey! The Browns ALMOST have a usable offense in Madden now!"

    - StingArmy


Yeah, Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace are good for 400 passing yards a game in Madden.

I am on the 'give Brady Quinn a better chance to prove if he is or not' bandwagon. How long did it take Steve Young to be good?



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Yeah, Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace are good for 400 passing yards a game in Madden.

No, but Peyton Hillis is pretty fast for a fullback! And Seneca Wallace is no slowpoke himself. Speed kills in Madden, even more than in real life.

Jake Delhomme is not a good quarterback. We're on the same page on that point. But he's still better than Brady Quinn is at this point, and I just don't see anything that says Quinn will get any better any time soon.

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB on this team 2 or 3 years ago and SUCKED last year.. maybe the problem is the Browns in general? Gasp shock. I hope he does well in Denver, even if he'll probably be a backup to Aw Damn I Threw Another One.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
    Originally posted by PP
    I hope he does well in Denver, even if he'll probably be a backup to Aw Damn I Threw Another One.


But Cutler's in Chicago ahaha INTs
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be a successful starter in the NFL.

Are the Browns running a West Coast offense with Holmgren now on board?

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be a successful starter in the NFL.
They said the same thing about Steve Young. TEH
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be a successful starter in the NFL.
    They said the same thing about Steve Young. TEH


Right now I'd be impressed if he were Vince Young
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by Broncolanche
        Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
        I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be a successful starter in the NFL.
      They said the same thing about Steve Young. TEH


    Right now I'd be impressed if he were Vince Young


Another guy people threw under the bus but had a very successful season last year.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB on this team 2 or 3 years ago and SUCKED last year. maybe the problem is the Browns in general?
Since you obviously are commenting on something you never watched, people figured out quickly with Derek to defend the deep routes and dare him to beat you short. Since he showed ZERO touch on screens and dump-offs, his numbers started dropping in the second half of '07 and never came back. That may have something to do with why he looked like garbage in the Pro Bowl that year as well.

I hope whatever QB the Browns end up trading for/drafting makes all this worthwhile.




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
        Originally posted by Broncolanche
          Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
          I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be a successful starter in the NFL.
        They said the same thing about Steve Young. TEH


      Right now I'd be impressed if he were Vince Young


    Another guy people threw under the bus but had a very successful season last year.

These are all very different situations.

Vince Young looked pretty good in his rookie year, and the questions surrounding were almost all about whether he was mentally all there. I don't think anyone was suggesting that on talent alone he wasn't good enough to start in the NFL.

Steve Young's passing stats weren't great in Tampa, but even if he did nothing else he showed he could pick up yards with his feet when he had to. There were still plenty of people who thought he could cut it in the NFL which is why the 49ers had to cough up semi-decent compensation (2nd and a 4th I believe) to get him.

Brady Quinn, however, has shown nothing thus far. He hasn't even demonstrated an ability to stay healthy, never mind play well. He still has some sort of shot at making it but the odds are very long indeed. The Broncos basically took a flier on him which is about all he's worth now. If he somehow works out, great. If not then it's not like they had to give up much to get him.

It says a lot about Brady Quinn that for all the posts we've had about him here, I can't think of anyone saying *anything* positive about his play. Not a thing. The only defence of him that's been offered is that he needs more time. Thing is, he's already had three years and he's not shown the Browns anything to make them want to give him more time. Vince Young showed he could play before going a bit nutty. Steve Young showed great running ability. Brady Quinn, nothing.

By and large, the smarter teams in the NFL don't hang around before making decisions about players. People always bang on about the Patriots cutting players around 30 rather than sign them to big contracts and then watch them decline, but they're equally ruthless with younger players who don't look like they're going to make the grade. Nobody will be right all the time, but generally it's better to move players on and be proven wrong once in a while, rather than hold onto players hoping they'll improve only to find out they were as bad as you thought they were.

Oh, and Derek Anderson really wasn't very good at all. One of the worst QBs to make the Pro Bowl in recent times. A lot of people were saying he looked like a one year stats-wonder even before he proved it. His suckitude over the last couple of years has more to do with his limited ability than it has the Cleveland Browns.


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.36
I wish I had DA's limited ability and paycheck.




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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.17
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I wish I had DA's limited ability and paycheck.


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