Jim Ross posted a story, via MMANews.com that Lesnar is close to a deal to return at UFC 200. My question is, why? He was utterly destroyed last time out, and frankly, looked terrified until the ref stopped the beating he was getting. Why go back?
because he's a guy who believes pro wrestling is beneath him and only "real sports" count. You may remember he left the WWE the first time because he was going to play NFL football - and he failed fairly strongly there - It's why Lesnar is nothing more than an occasional interest in the WWE. He can put on a match, but he hates it. Because when he is doing it, he hates himself.
We'll be back right after order has been restored here in the Omni Center.
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Because UFC 200 needs something massive and WWE used up most (if not all) of Brock's 2016 dates with all the matches he worked in the first quarter. Meltzer says WWE approved it, so they must like the cross promotion Brock will give them by being in what will likely be the highest buyrate UFC's had maybe ever.
Did UFC 200 really need something, though? They would've liked to have McGregor, but they had the round number, the Cormier/Jones fight, and other stuff that seems important to a non-UFC fan. To me, they were going to do pretty good prior to adding Brock. Add Brock is like going for a record, but they may need to break one to get some value out of it.
(like his last few WWE appearances, maybe. This is a great deal for Brock - paid big win or loss, more valuable if he wins - but this seems more UFC doing it to make waves more than money.)
I think the goal is definitely to break their record for most buys. I don't know what it is, but these Vince/Dana types have a thing for anniversaries/round numbers. Without McGregor and Rousey, the next safe bet is Brock. Plus, being a special event, maybe they wanted a "Legends" type of attraction.
WWE's Facebook page says Brock's UFC thing is a one-off and he'll be back for SummerSlam. According to this AP article from earlier this year Click Here (bigstory.ap.org) , Brock said WWE was at its limit on dates, so I'm guessing they made a deal where Brock got to do UFC if he'd do SummerSlam. Hard not to say no to money.
This is assuming that Lesnar doesn't get seriously messed up in his UFC fight and is able to make Summerslam, of course. This news is a big surprise to me --- has Lesnar been secretly training for an MMA return over the last few months? Since if not, he's going to get destroyed unless the UFC books him against an utter can. (And even with training, he'd need more than a few months to get back into fighting shape after years out of the cage.)
The UFC also announced that Fedor's next fight, while not on a UFC card, is going to be shown on FightPass. This has already gotten the rumour mill started about how the UFC is looking to book Brock vs. Fedor later this year.
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So, to be that guy, there's gotta be a zero percent chance that Lesnar loses right? There's too much money to be lost by everyone involved if he loses. He wouldn't fight UFC again and his Conquerer believability goes out the window if he loses. No one benefits from him losing. Yes, I'm saying it will be fixed.
Hey, while we've got this thread, let's talk about old men Bisping and Hendo scoring huge knockout wins in incredible moments. This was one of the most fun UFCs I've ever seen.
Originally posted by StefonicsNo one benefits from him losing. Yes, I'm saying it will be fixed.
UFC has so much more to lose from fixing a fight than they do from a Brock loss. The idea of fixing the fight won't even cross their minds. And if the fighters decided on it themselves and it came out, they'd both be banned from UFC for life.
A WWE asset is hugely damaged if Brock loses the fight, especially if it's a blowout, but that's the risk you take. WWE gains a lot if Brock wins.
It's a no-lose for UFC. Either Brock gets beat, giving a heavyweight nearing the end of his career (presumably Hunt or Mir?) a new lease on life, or Brock gets a win over someone who didn't have much left to offer anyway. Either way, they likely get a big bump in buys and an attraction that makes a special show feel that much more special.
Originally posted by KJames199Hey, while we've got this thread, let's talk about old men Bisping and Hendo scoring huge knockout wins in incredible moments. This was one of the most fun UFCs I've ever seen.
We live in a world where Michael Bisping is undisputed UFC Middleweight champion of the world. Up is down. Left is right. Blood runs in the streets. Cats marrying dogs.
Also, if you didn't watch the early stuff, find a way to watch Kim v Reyes. Awesome brawl.
Oh, and Dana and Co are stunningly immature douchekebabs for how they treated Ariel and, worse, Esther Lin who did absolutely nothing.
A journalist reported news. Ban him! Ban him to death!
Originally posted by KJames199The idea of fixing the fight won't even cross their minds.
It's still real to me, dammit!
I'm really not trying to troll here. We have vastly different levels of faith in the ethics of Dana White, Zuffa, and the UFC. People with morality historically don't gravitate toward becoming fight promoters. You're right; if Lesnar loses his one off, it's not a huge loss for UFC. They popped their buy rate and got a huge coverage boost by having him at 200. But what about 225? Losing leaves a ton of money on the table. If he wins, he becomes this world dominating force for both promotions. UFC fans already hate the guy for various reasons and would continue to pay, every time he shows up and doesn't lose. The only thing promoters like more than money, is more money. And that's not even considering Vince's position in all of this. The man leaves nothing to chance if he can help it. Do you think he would sign off on this if there was even a remote possibility of Lesnar going down? Word is they used up all of his dates already and this was the concession to get him to do more. From WWEs standpoint, that's a tough pill to swallow but they did it to themselves. He's a draw and he would help ratings, but the negative far outweighs the positive. Yes, they will make tons of money if he wins, but they also wouldn't lose future money by him not fighting. If it was a shotgun choice, it's much easier (for me) to see them letting him sit at home until his contract is up.
I could also be completely wrong about this and my tinfoil hat is on too tight. If that winds up being the case, and Lesnar loses, I will gladly eat the crow however it's served.
Originally posted by StefonicsWe have vastly different levels of faith in the ethics of Dana White, Zuffa, and the UFC.
It's not ethics. A Brock loss just means Brock loses some (not all) drawing power for next time. People got excited for Ken Shamrock vs Kimbo Slice - Brock's drawing power doesn't fall off entirely if Mark Hunt knocks him out. Whereas Dana getting caught fixing fights could take down the entire UFC.
Agreed. Either way, injury pending, WWE has a good story to work with. If Brock wins, "Who can overcome the Beast???" If Brock loses, somebody - Bray? Owens? - can talk up how the unbeatable beast lost at UFC and there's no way Brock can beat them if he couldn't beat the UFC guy.
Originally posted by Stefonicsthere's gotta be a zero percent chance that Lesnar loses right? There's too much money to be lost by everyone involved if he loses. He wouldn't fight UFC again and his Conquerer believability goes out the window if he loses. No one benefits from him losing. Yes, I'm saying it will be fixed.
I see this whole thing as a no win for the WWE.
You know Lesnar is gonna get matched up with a stiff. If he loses, the WWE loses their "monster" attraction. And if he wins, everyone will just go "Eh, he beat a nobody. No big deal".
Sorry for coming late to the discussion, but I thought I would tack on Andrew Beyer's take on Mine That Bird's Derby win. For those interested, the full article may be found here (drf.com). As for my own thoughts on the subject: