Decking a QB in a pre-season scrimmage is a chicken shit move no matter how you look at it. I don't blame the Vik's coaches for standing up for him in public, but I'd hope they had a word with him behind closed doors. If not they're just asking to lose one of their back up QB's through retaliation down the line.
He might be a quarterback, but its still football. If you don't like getting hit, get the hell of the field. Seriously, with the money hes getting paid, it shouldn't bother him. Brock is just trying to make an impact, as he should. I can't believe I said all of that, because I'm a Quarterback, but its true. Its football and your gunna get hit.
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Originally posted by DaRipper58He might be a quarterback, but its still football. If you don't like getting hit, get the hell of the field. Seriously, with the money hes getting paid, it shouldn't bother him. Brock is just trying to make an impact, as he should. I can't believe I said all of that, because I'm a Quarterback, but its true. Its football and your gunna get hit.
Both teams agreed to tone it down. It's like playing touch football and having your leg broke because someone picked you up and tackled you. It wasn't even preseason, just a scrimmage.
I'm all for going hard in practice and trying to earn your spot, but when you've got an agreement not to hit a guy and then you go ahead and do it anyway, that's not playing hard, that's cheap. I'm cheering for Brock and want him to make the team, but that was a dirty play. If you wanna hit the QBs, do it when they're live. Otherwise, the guy doesn't have a fair chance to protect himself since he's not expecting to get smacked.
Bruce Smith, former Buffalo Bill and Washington Redskin, is in Vikings camp as a favour to Ted Cottrell to help with the development of thier defensive line. He said on NFL Network's Total Access show this evening that Brock has a lot of energy and a brain like a sponge. He sees a great future in this game for him. Nice praise from a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer.
Of course, Brock has to keep it up. Will be nice to see how much PT he gets since NFL Network is showing every Pre-Season game either live or on tape. (Can you tell how giddy I am about that??)
Edit: Watching the game on NFL Network this morning both sets of announcers talked about Brock (They show the home team's feed for the 1st half and the away team's feed for the 2nd). The Vikes announcers talked about how he seems to be the 2nd most popular player on the team behind Moss with the fans right now. Then they talked up his energy and how his teammates are feeding off it and that it would be tough to cut him.
The Arizona announcers also talked about him a little bit and showed a few of his plays that weren't special teams. He was getting moved around pretty well by the offensive lineman he was matched up against, and they mentioned how he hadn't played football since high school.
He's still got a ways to go it seems, but it's sounding as if he'll make the team at least.
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I wouldn't read too much into there being a Lesnar jersey. They'd be damned fools not to make it available just now from a business point of view. Theres bound to be more than a few people wanting to be the first with a Brock jersey. Leave it till season starts and he either might not be there or might suck completely, in which case demand would likely plummet.
Originally posted by DaRipper58My bad, wasn't aware of them agreeing to tone it down.
You never wondered why QBs are the only ones wearing bright red jerseys?
Guess he and Brock didn't see The Replacements.
[Danny has tackled Shane during practice] Jimmy McGinty : Good hit. Danny, in practice we don't hit the guys in the red shirts. Daniel Bateman : I know, Coach, but I see that red and I just wanna go after it, like a bull, you know? Shane Falco : I think I'm just going to lie here for awhile Daniel Bateman : Work shit out, right?
Vikings: Lesnar can't take giant step Mark Craig, Star Tribune August 26, 2004 VIKE0826
Vikings defensive line coach Brian Baker could shout "I told you so!" He could argue the merits of Jeff Womble, a four-year starter at Florida State, whom the Vikings had to let go. Or he could declare the whole Brock Lesnar experiment unsuccessful.
But he won't.
Not because he knows Lesnar is going to make the active roster or survive the first cuts Tuesday -- or even make the eight-man practice squad on Sept. 6. Lesnar has no chance of making the final roster and a slim chance of surviving the first 13 cuts. At this point, it's doubtful he'll even be added to the practice squad.
"I definitely was upset at first, but the thing about Brock is he flat-out earned my respect the past four weeks," Baker said. "I don't know how else to put it."
That is the consensus among assistant coaches and players who once were skeptical the Lesnar signing was anything more than a publicity stunt by the Vikings and/or World Wrestling Entertainment, Lesnar's former employer.
"I thought we would have been the last team in the world to sign him," guard Chris Liwienski said. "And then they signed him and we kind of went, 'Oh my gosh, what's this guy going to be all about? Is he going to come in here and tie me in a knot?' But Brock came to work, and guys took notice."
Or, as Pro Bowl center Matt Birk pointed out: "Brock didn't come in here thinking he was a big shot. He took it seriously and kept his mouth shut."
Unfortunately for Lesnar, his nine-year layoff from football and lack of college experience have proved impossible to overcome in one training camp. After an initial boost, his progress at defensive tackle leveled off, and he is duplicating his mistakes. He needs more repetitions at a time when his are being scaled back because the start of the season is only 18 days away.
"I know it's not feasible for them to keep me around [after the first cuts on Tuesday]," Lesnar said. "These other guys have been doing this stuff their whole lives. Me? I'm only doing the best I can."
Lesnar said he remains hopeful of making the practice squad. He said he hasn't allowed himself to think about a Plan B, even though he got only three snaps in the last preseason game at Atlanta.
Ed Hitchcock, Lesnar's agent, said he doesn't expect Lesnar to walk away from football without exhausting all of his opportunities. One of those could include a stint in NFL Europe next spring. The Vikings might have an interest in re-signing Lesnar and allocating him. Or Lesnar could try to join the league on his own, probably with a recommendation from Baker or other Vikings coaches.
Lesnar's age, 27, and years of wear and tear from pro and amateur wrestling at the University of Minnesota are working against him in football. Lesnar hasn't ruled out a return to the WWE, although he might try something different, such as endorsements.
For now, he is all football all of the time.
"Initially, I didn't understand why we signed him, and I was mad that we cut a young rookie player [Womble] who at least knew how to play football," Baker said. "But Brock earned it. You could pick 1,000 guys in his situation and not one of them would have lasted this long."
Baker said Lesnar hasn't attempted one shortcut. He sits in the front of the defensive line meeting room. He works on fundamentals with defensive assistant Jim Panagos for 45 minutes before and after most practices. He takes criticism very well. And probably most important, Lesnar hasn't missed a single rep, despite the fact his groin still isn't 100 percent from a serious motorcycle accident in April.
"My body's not real good right now," Lesnar said, laughing. "But what the heck. For now, I'm living the NFL experience. Who else like me did what I did this summer?"
How long will it last?
"Hey, I don't know what's going to happen," linebacker Chris Claiborne said, "but all I know is the guy turned out to be real cool."
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