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Since: 31.10.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
I was thinking that with 'Taker & Kane set to face eachother at WMXX would that mean a return for Paul Bearer as well? I think the funniest sight ever was seing Bearer running after 'Taker or Kane's opponents managers like Harvey Wippleman/Mr Fuji/Tori etc and giving them a good bitch slap.

A manager can be a great asset to a wrestler breaking into the WWF by doing promos, getting heat for them, while the wrestler develops these skills themselves. It has worked in the past. You don't even have to go that far back. Heyman's influence on Brock Lesnar in 2002 was a major factor in getting him heat.

The WWF could use managers to get other people accross who aren't as good on the mic, or who cant get heat. Teddy Long has done it with Mark Henry which has built him up to have a bigger impact on Raw, and there are plenty of other wrestlers who could do with the same help.

Anyway, while I'm talking about managers who do you think is the greatest of all time?

(I vote Paul Bearer)



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76

Bobby Heenan ... the greatest heel manager of all time.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.43
    Originally posted by MDK
    I was thinking that with 'Taker & Kane set to face eachother at WMXX would that mean a return for Paul Bearer as well? I think the funniest sight ever was seing Bearer running after 'Taker or Kane's opponents managers like Harvey Wippleman/Mr Fuji/Tori etc and giving them a good bitch slap.

    A manager can be a great asset to a wrestler breaking into the WWF by doing promos, getting heat for them, while the wrestler develops these skills themselves. It has worked in the past. You don't even have to go that far back. Heyman's influence on Brock Lesnar in 2002 was a major factor in getting him heat.

    The WWF could use managers to get other people accross who aren't as good on the mic, or who cant get heat. Teddy Long has done it with Mark Henry which has built him up to have a bigger impact on Raw, and there are plenty of other wrestlers who could do with the same help.

    Anyway, while I'm talking about managers who do you think is the greatest of all time?

    (I vote Paul Bearer)


I would like to see Paul Bearer too, but on his website message board, Paul Bearer, people continue to post and ask since it seems "Deadman Taker" is getting set to return would we see the return of Paul Bearer as well? But Paul continues to state he has no plans to return to WWE at anytime and will not be part of the angle.

(edited by XPacArmy on 7.1.04 1618)

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.06
Jimmy "Mouth of the South" Hart was great too, although once he left WWF (and lost the megaphone) he became FAR less effective...
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
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#6 Posted on
Long time visitor, first time poster.

When it comes to managers, with all due respect to Paul Bearer, the best all time has got to be Classy Freddie Blassie. A lot of terrible wrestlers got instant credibility in their squash matches when Blassie talked them up. Guys like Killer Khan, George the Animal Steele really couldn't work, but Blassie made them so entertaining.

Honorable mention goes to the manager of tag-team champions, the Capt. Lou Albano.

Does anyone else remember a manager called the wizard? I think he was an old jewish guy with a turban and goofy sunglasses who managed guys like Don Muraco and Greg the Hammer Valentine?

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If my Smarky McSmark memory serves me right, The Wizard was none other than Kevin Nash. And, because I have said Kevin Nash, I must (according to the unbreakable law of the universe) pretend to hurt myself.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.76

while one of Nash's original WCW gimmicks (baaaack before the WWF Diesel days) was as a copycat of the Grand Wizard, there was an original Grand Wizard as previously described.
as far as best heel managers imo...1)Blassie 2)Heenan 3)Jimmy Hart (with megaphone)4)Jim Cornette 5) Mr. Fuji



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
Nash's second WCW character was Oz, who was managed by The Wizard (Kevin Sullivan). But yeah, as OndaGrande has already pointed out, that's not the Wizard in question.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
If I can be serious for a minute...
There was another Wizard who I remembered managed Kamala and Sika. He went on to become The Master of the Dungeon of Doom and cut promos about the 4 continents and 7 oceans.



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    Originally posted by Swordsman Yen
    There was another Wizard who I remembered managed Kamala and Sika. He went on to become The Master of the Dungeon of Doom and cut promos about the 4 continents and 7 oceans.

King Curtis Iaukea?

Anyway, since I'm pretty young, I think Heenan would get my vote as the best. Also, Jim Cornette was REAL good, and if I were a wrestler and had to pick a manager, I'd vote for him.
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The managers I always liked were the ones that mixed it up a little. Adnon al-Kasie comes to mind in World Class and UWF. I also absolutely loved Heenan - a perfect chicken-heel manager.

Flair would be an awesome manager along those lines. Not an occasional wrestler/hanger-on, but the brains. I think that's the role the Cat should be in as well and I think Diamond Dallas page was great in that role when he was starting out - why isn't he in there now?

Those guys were great for the guy who didn't talk well, but could bump. Classy Freddie was the perfect man to manage the Iron Sheik because the Sheik only had one promo.(America, Pppppttttooye!) And JJ was great with the Horsemen because Flair wasn't always there and the other horsemen weren't always great (Introducing.... Ole Anderson!) on the stick. Plus he drew heat for the team.

Yeah - the Fed needs 'em.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
Thanks, folks. It was the Grand Wizard I was thinking of - I used to watch rasslin in the mid 70s/ 80s when I used to fix TV sets - I'd often have to reset the color tubes and it'd be a good way to test the color by looking at skin color - one of the most difficult things to blend.

In those days TV sets would be worth repairing, and if the news anchor looked greenish, it was probably a 5 cent part, worth $15-$20 labor to fix.

Anyway, back on topic, other favorite managers included Jimmy Snuka's manager, the nature boy Jimmy Rogers, and the guy who threw in the towel to cost Backlund his title, Arnold Skaaland, and of course, Piper was entertaining as hell.

Generally, washed up ex wrestlers who were good on the stick but could take the occasional bump were great to teach the newer guys how to get heat, cause ref distractions, etc.

While I loved Heenan, he was often more entertaining from the guys he managed, which in some way detracted from them. Guys like Bearer were never in the way of their talent, but added the element of anticipation.

Teddy Long has helped Mark Henry become watchable.

I hope the role of manager can come back, as it was largely killed by the lovely Miss Elizabeth - not her fault, things just change.

Of course, the manager was also very useful to distract the ref and the crowd during a "chokehold"/resthold, so it wasn't as noticeable that there may have only been 4-5 moves in a 9-minute match. Good time to buy another beer.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
I actually spoke at length about this on another board, so I've done some thinking about this issue.

In my mind, the most important role that a manager can play is giving the air of legitimacy to newcomers and tag teams. Obviously, managers are more effective when dealing with heels, because they can often pull off that "silent badass" aura pretty easily, but even still, whereas true newcomers always struggle a bit to be recognized, positioning the new face next to a familiar one is far more efficient than loads of TV time. Also, when you put two singles wrestlers together to form a tag team, uniting them under the "banner" of a well-known manager will do the work of four or five "team building" segments.

Imagine this scenario, if you will: Sable says to Val Venis and Lance Storm, in her sluttiest voice, "I like both of you guys; how about you have a match to decide who gets my 'services.'" After the aforementioned match, she decides, "You know, I you've both shown how talented you are. I think I'll take BOTH OF YOU on. You don't mind a little teamwork, do ya fellas?" Both guys are now a tag team, and managed by Sable. We know what's in it for Sable; she gets two guys to do her bidding, where previously she had none. Even though each team member has something to gain, the at-home-viewer understands that the manager has an incentive to keep the team together, which goes a long way towards making the team relevant.

Paul Heyman was also a great example. He was an "agent," which meant that he had a financial incentive to see his client succeed. However, as he was a character with a previous agenda, we knew that he would sell his client out if it suited him, and he did, in favor of the Big Show and Kurt Angle. When Angle needed backup, he provided Team Angle, and although he rarely appeared at their side during matches, his influence was constant, which gave them instant legitimacy.

When a manager-client relationship is logical (to this day, I never understood why 3 Minute Warning wasn't managed by Bischoff, or why Rico, their manager, didn't have a subsequent strong relationship with the Office of the GM, who introduced them) fans are far more responsive to the actions of the team.

That said, the modern role of the manager is to give wrestlers credibility, then move on, or simply disappear. Guys have to grow, and if they need a manager for too long, they'll be stagnant creatively. Hosses like Henry and Heidenreich can benefit from having managers, but not for too long...
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.21
    Originally posted by OndaGrande
    while one of Nash's original WCW gimmicks (baaaack before the WWF Diesel days) was as a copycat of the Grand Wizard, there was an original Grand Wizard as previously described.


Ah yes Oz, and for shits and giggles...
Nash also played the Grand Wizard during his impersonation phase on Nitro on November 8th 1999.
This was after playing Vince McMahon the previous week and Sid the following week, complete with a Desperate Dan chin...

cue someone mentioning him impersonating a wrestler...chortle



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
Paul Heyman was pure gold as Paul E Dangerly/doungerously, whatever his last name was. Remember kids, the Dangerous Alliance will take over WCW!

Gen. Skandar Akbar was also a favorite back in the old Mid South days. Always there to double cross my beloved Junkyard Dog.

Bobby Heenan was great on the stick, and could take a bump when needed, and knew how and when to interfear with a match.

And, Jim Cornette wiht the tennis racket was the man in his day, who else could get the Midnite Express over so huge? (besides their work rate that is).
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Speaking of Jim Cornette...

He has a head role in OVW, right? Why not have him train managers? I'm sure with his years of experience that he will have useful advice to give.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.53
all this talk about managers and not one mention of the coolest manager of all SLICK



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by Aldo D 2112
    Speaking of Jim Cornette...

    He has a head role in OVW, right? Why not have him train managers? I'm sure with his years of experience that he will have useful advice to give.

I'm sure he COULD train managers, but not if the WWE doesn't want to use them.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by Aldo D 2112
      Speaking of Jim Cornette...

      He has a head role in OVW, right? Why not have him train managers? I'm sure with his years of experience that he will have useful advice to give.

    I'm sure he COULD train managers, but not if the WWE doesn't want to use them.


Point taken. But WWE uses valets. Of course, one of said valets already went through OVW and performs like she learned little in the process. Then again, I doubt that even Jim Cornette's expertise could make Jackie Gayda watchable.
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