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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Packman V2
      Originally posted by Batista79
      I think they should have Jim Neidhart and Jimmy Hart induct him... see the original Hart Foundation


    I thought Neidhart had passed as well? Didn't everyone from the 2nd Hart Foundation besides Bret pass away??


I think it was everyone but Jim and Bret
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by Batista79
      Originally posted by Packman V2
        Originally posted by Batista79
        I think they should have Jim Neidhart and Jimmy Hart induct him... see the original Hart Foundation


      I thought Neidhart had passed as well? Didn't everyone from the 2nd Hart Foundation besides Bret pass away??


    I think it was everyone but Jim and Bret


Right. One might count Furnas & Lafon, who if I recall correctly were part of it for all of one night after Bret left, but that was quickly (and I mean quickly) dropped.

Of a five-man stable, two of them are still alive. Very sad.



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#23 Posted on
My understanding is that the Hall of Fame is not a tangible place that we as fans could go and visit, like the baseball hall of fame or the NBA hall of fame. Is this right? I guess I don't really understand what the point of having a Hall of Fame is if there's nothing for the fans to get out of it, other than an extra on a DVD.

I'm glad Bret is getting inducted, but it seems like it should be called the "List of former wrestlers who we are willing to admit once worked for us," instead of making it sound like a true hall.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
    Originally posted by jivesoulbro
    My understanding is that the Hall of Fame is not a tangible place that we as fans could go and visit, like the baseball hall of fame or the NBA hall of fame. Is this right? I guess I don't really understand what the point of having a Hall of Fame is if there's nothing for the fans to get out of it, other than an extra on a DVD.

    I'm glad Bret is getting inducted, but it seems like it should be called the "List of former wrestlers who we are willing to admit once worked for us," instead of making it sound like a true hall.


I think its more recognition of the wrestlers themselves than it is doing something for the fans (though there are enough fans who get passionate on the subject to attend the ceremonies, buy the DVD's, etc.)

My guess, from seeing the Bret Hart DVD just recently, is that Bret is the type of person who really wants people to recognize his accomplishments and contribution to the business. The legacy he left behind seems like a huge deal to him, as opposed to, say for example, Bill Goldberg. And the DVD itself was, in some ways, an apology to him (not to mention a moneymaker for WWE).




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    Of a five-man stable, two of them are still alive. Very sad.


Still beats Los Gringos Locos.




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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.55
My question is, will Bret actually be there or is this just the WWE inducting him without him there? Remember they gave some award to Austin on the 10th Anniversary show without Austin there or ready to come back.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
They wouldn't induct Bret without Bret being there. They value the Hall of Fame a lot more than the RAW X special.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
They said "Bret Hart is returning" last night on RAW. Lawler even made a comment about taking a jacket down to Hell because it's frozen over.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.48
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    Shawn said if that's what it took to get Bret to be there, then he wouldn't go. But he didn't say "I won't go if Bret's there", like he was boycotting it or anything. I think Meltzer or somebody took some shots at Shawn for that comment, like "oh, he thinks it all revolves around him", which seemed kinda unfair since it sounded like something the interviewer probably asked him.


He also said Bret belongs in the Hall of Fame, which is greatly at odds with what he wrote in his book about Bret not being that good. But only Flair, HHH, and Shawn have said that as far as I can remember, and they're all basically idiots, so no harm no foul.

    Originally posted by KJames199
    It will certainly be huge in Canada. Hogan getting inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame got actual news coverage on actual news programs as though it was an actual news story. Bret getting in will be bigger still.


How was it not a news story? I mean, that didn't surprise me. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, and if so my apologies, but if I'm not and you're disputing the worthiness of this as actual news, you're enraging. I don't understand the hatred wrestling fans have of wrestling being treated as anything other than a complete waste of time. I mean, we live in Canada, for Christ's sake. On those rare off-days in Toronto where nobody gets murdered, defiling a plaster moose is news here, so I see no reason why the WWE Hall of Fame should't be.

Anyway, this is great news. As far as I'm concerned, so long as Bret doesn't involve himself with any storylines, it should be lovely. I really don't want to see him lowered to sharing a ring with Michaels or McMahon again.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
Of course, Bret is going to do an angle at WM. I don't think we even have to debate it.

And I know the interviews over the years have said otherwise, but I basically consider any shoot interview a wrestler ever gives as merely a work for some future idea.

It really would be the coolest thing ever if after all the build-up for the HBK v. McMahon's, which no one wants to see, that they all saunter to the ring, get ready to lock up, and Bret comes out and cleans house with a chair and cuts a 20 minute promo.

This isn't that suprising, the Hart family had over a 20 year relationship with the McMahon's. It's naive to think that Montreal would permanently sever their ties.

I mean, I have friends who made up with people that screwed their wives y'know, I think a business dispute is certainly easier to rectify.

My hunch is this was brewing for a while, which explains all the mentions of Bret the past few months.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Originally posted by KJames199
    It will certainly be huge in Canada. Hogan getting inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame got actual news coverage on actual news programs as though it was an actual news story. Bret getting in will be bigger still.

    How was it not a news story?


The WWE Hall of Fame is a meaningless joke. A wrestler's actual accomplishments have no bearing on their Hall of Fame status - either Vince likes them personally, or he thinks he can profit from having them in there. It's used as a prop to push angles, sell DVDs and PPV buys, and to make the old-timers seem more special when they show up on television. "Hulk Hogan inducted into WWE Hall of Fame" doesn't deserve to be on the evening news any more than "Matt Hardy returns to Raw, attacks Edge."

The Observer Hall of Fame actually means something, as it has entrance criteria and actual voting by (hopefully) qualified voters. Having said that, I don't think its inductions should make the news either, because 99.9999% of the general population couldn't give a flying fuck about who gets into a wrestling hall of fame.
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Maybe I'm reading you wrong, and if so my apologies, but if I'm not and you're disputing the worthiness of this as actual news, you're enraging. I don't understand the hatred wrestling fans have of wrestling being treated as anything other than a complete waste of time.


Wow. There isn't much that I can say about that one that it doesn't say for itself.

I will reiterate that a wrestling hall of fame just doesn't matter to the vast majority of people. And it has nothing to do with wrestling - I'm sure people who love the bobsled care about the Bobsled Hall of Fame, but the majority of people don't care, so it doesn't make the news.




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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.22
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    This isn't that suprising, the Hart family had over a 20 year relationship with the McMahon's. It's naive to think that Montreal would permanently sever their ties.

    I mean, I have friends who made up with people that screwed their wives y'know, I think a business dispute is certainly easier to rectify.

    My hunch is this was brewing for a while, which explains all the mentions of Bret the past few months.


Compound that with the fact that Vince promised Bret numerous pushes and incentives before he broke out in 92 but never lived up to them until that time and that WCW was always actively trying to get him to jump ship and he never did; he always remained loyal to the WWF and only missed 2 shows in the 14 years he worked for them.

Compare that HBK who would take time off whenever he felt like not accepting a punishment or throwing a fit and I could see how you'd be insulted to have your rival chosen over you and in a way that embarrasses you on live TV and exposes the business, I suppose. Especially after, as you said, the Harts gave so much to Vince (talent, libraries, etc.) And I am sure some of the things that happened are seen by Bret as an insult to Stu as well.

I'm just throwing possible reasons out there, that's all. If Bret is going to participate at 'Mania, I just want him to give his speech. I don't care if it takes an hour, I want Bret to put a peaceful seal on his career and make people smile without any crap from Vince or Michaels.

And as far as inductions go, I would say Kurt Angle could induct Bret due to both of them saying that they wish they could have worked together. Angle's favorite wrestler is Bret after all.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.86
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    My hunch is this was brewing for a while, which explains all the mentions of Bret the past few months.


Exactly...probably a lot longer than the past few months. To say otherwise doesn't make much sense. The sheets can say that the HOF deal was done in the past few weeks, but that can't be true. Think about this...What does WWE have to gain by sharing production rights for the Bret DVD with Bret himself? A Bret Hart DVD without Bret's involvement would've sold quite well. The absolute perfect support for that statement is the Warrior DVD. Does WWE see significant extra sales by going in 50-50 with Bret? Maybe, but keep in mind that the fact that Bret co-produced the project was never heavily advertised. So what's WWE's incentive to do business? My answer is that the HOF induction / WM appearance for Bret was contracted at the time Vince agreed to do business with him on the DVD.

    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    Of course, Bret is going to do an angle at WM.


Exactly (again). Knowing what we know now (which, granted, is *never* much), if WWE plans to do a straight-up one-on-one match between Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels without any involvement WHATSOEVER from Bret Hart, then would any of you (assuming none of you are masochists) feel safe sitting in the Allstate Arena during that show? It would *appear* that WWE has booked themselves in a corner by (1) all but guaranteeing a Bret Hart appearance at WM and (2) seemingly going ahead with HBK-Vince. You know an HBK-Vince match is going to be long. You're going to have an arena full of people shouting "We Want Bret!" for 20 minutes or until people lose their voices, whichever comes first. Without involvement from Bret, that match would be crapped on like no other in history, and everybody knows that, including (especially) Vince and HBK. Would their egos allow that?
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    Of course, Bret is going to do an angle at WM. I don't think we even have to debate it.


I'm sure that's what WWE thinks. I'm sure they're going to be disappointed.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by flairforthegold13
      Of course, Bret is going to do an angle at WM. I don't think we even have to debate it.


    I'm sure that's what WWE thinks. I'm sure they're going to be disappointed.


Care to explain why you think that?

1) We know Bret's going to be at the Hall of Fame Ceremony

2) Just like every other year, the legends are going to be trotted out on stage and introduced for the applause. So, he'll physically be in the arena with 20,000 people chanting 'WE WANT BRET, WE WANT BRET.'

3) Is there any reason to think that Bret's ego and a HUGE payoff would dissuade him from getting his (storyline) revenge?

I dunno, guys. We're not far from Mania and something is up this year. We're looking lock, stock and barrel at heels going over in the main event. We have a lockerroom that is seemingly in revolt, we have a company in shambles due to tragedy and injury.

I just have this hunch that they have something huge brewing for WrestleMania and I really think Bret's going to play a large part, Vince McMahon, for all his faults, is still the mastermind.

I may be dead wrong, but there's going to be a twist somewhere.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
I'm not saying he's NOT going to make an appearance at WrestleMania, but I don't think its a foregone conclusion yet that he will.

Yes, it would make a ton of sense for him to interfere during, say, a ref bump in the Michaels-McMahon match and punch out both guys.... but he's said numerous times that he'd never turn his story into an angle. Then again... he probably ALSO said somewhere that he'd never make peace with Vince McMahon, so who the hell knows for sure?




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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    3) Is there any reason to think that Bret's ego and a HUGE payoff would dissuade him from getting his (storyline) revenge?


He's had the same chance for X many years now to get that payoff and revenge and hasn't done it. It'd be easier for him to do it this time, but if the $$$ and the ego boost were enough, he could've done it dozen times before.

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even didn't appear before the crowd at the WrestleMania. I lean towards that he will, but it'd be in character for him to do a speech at the HOF, and fly home the next morning before the show.

I don't think you can prove he will or won't show up - it's still six+ weeks away, and it's a decision that could be changed at a moment's notice. You have to grant there's a possiblity, but I wouldn't buy the PPV expecting to see it or anything like that.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46

    Is there any reason to think that Bret's ego and a HUGE payoff would dissuade him from getting his (storyline) revenge?


Storyline revenge hasn't mattered to him for the last nine years, and he's only been asked to do an angle, say, every time WWE runs in Canada. And he's always maintained that the one thing he'd be willing to come back for is a goodbye speech, while always maintaining he had zero interest in doing an angle based on Montreal. So I don't think accepting an offer to do the former means he's changed his feelings on doing the latter.

No doubt Vince thinks otherwise, and is going to be pitching things to him from now until the day of the show. But I wouldn't use what's presented on WWE TV as a trustworthy indicator of where this is going, because it's being written based on what Vince wants, not what's necessarily going to happen. We're still waiting on that Bret run-in during Hogan vs. Michaels that they built the entire Raw before SummerSlam teasing, after all.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
If this was any other person, then I'd say yeah, he'd probably do an angle at WM. But Bret is a different beast- his legacy means very much to him, and he really cares how he's remembered among fans. I think he's got too much pride to be in an angle at WM, no matter what the dollar amount. I just don't see him doing it.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
You know, Bret as RAW GM would make for some interesting TV.



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