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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
Did anybody else catch the insinuation that Flair was into the coke?

Okay, heres the quote:

"The WWF was reeling from sex and steroid scandals at that
time and I was seen as a safe bet to carry the belt, in large part, because I
worked hard and I kept my nose clean."




(edited by StevieRichards on 13.7.04 1948)
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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      No, that Flair is a groveling old fart, who kisses ass. Which isn't a new revalation.

    Yes, that's clearly the point Bret was making.


"If anything, Flair was not only notorious for sucking up to the office but generally took liberties with his opponents who had been convinced that he was going to make them."

Need more? You still never answered me about why it's cool for Flair to knock someone by tastelessly bringing up their dead brother. I guess that's not as bad as flip-flopping on something as important as the quality of one's wrestling.

Oh, you hate them both now.


    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Well, I would think most assuredly that he was talking about both

    Oh, so now it's both.


Yes both, Encylopedia Brown. He's obviously talking about his mindset in the first part, in his comment about how he "didn't feel like the nature boy" anymore. My original post was that the last bit of that was interesting and could be construed as a reference to his finances. Not "OMG, Flair said he was broke!"


edit - added "up"

(edited by asteroidboy on 13.7.04 2155)


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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Omega: "The only thing I think Flair said that was influenced by Hunter/McMahon/Michaels was about the Survivor Series 1997 incident. Flair wasn't there, so he only knows it from second-hand information. And, since he's been traveling with Hunter & Michaels for the past few years, as well as being very close to Vince, I assume he believes their version of the story."

You don't think Flair could have heard about the whole situation while working for WCW? It seems to me like having your company sign the competition's champion would be a big deal and might have had a few people talking...

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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.66
I don't think Flair was on coke, Piper apperantly was the Scarface of wrestling. He said, he kept his nose clean, so I may see that as a sign that the rest of the WWF locker room was into it. I remember Mary Janetty not getting a big push, because of it. There were also rumors that Shawn was user, but not as bad as Marty. I take it to mean that Flair kept his mouth shut about stuff since most people like Hogan were being negative towards Vince.

I will say that I do think Flair was a bit harsh towards Bret about Owen's death, but he was right about saying Bret didn't want to job it Canada is like saying he didn't want to job in North America. I do think Montreal will be the JFK Assassination of wrestling expect most of the individuals are alive. I do think everyone is in the wrong in Montreal and paranioa from both sides lead to the debacle.

I also agree this more bashing besides Bret and Foley. Flair obviously doesn't care for a number of people and I think its ridiculous to get hot and bothered about a situation that may never get resolved.
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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
OKay, as far as Bret Hart goes, he was a decent wrestler, but for all intents and purposes, Brad Armstrong could have had the exact same career if he'd been working for Vince. Hart was in the right place at the right time and built a career because the kids who watched actually believed it when he called himself "the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be." Bret Hart wasn't the greatest, but he always delivered better matches than say Billy Gunn, or Bob Holly. I've seen Hart seven or eight times at house shows, and the only times his matches were worth mentioning were when he was feuding with Owen, or way back when he was still with Anvil. For all the griping Bret makes about Flair working the same match, well, all I've got to do is throw in a tape of Bret taking on Undertaker, Sid, Diesel, Nash, or anybody else and I'm seeing the exact same match every time. Bret did manage to have a pretty entertaining match with Hakushi at In Your House 2, or whenever it was.

Seriously, Bret needs to move on and find something else to do with his life. The guy refuses to admit that he was an actor who was paid to pretend to be a tough guy. I'm not knocing Bret's skill as a wrestler, I'm just saying that he needs to admit that his place in the grand scheme of things wasn't all that. If only Randal Graves were a real person, maybe he could fill Bret in on what his station in life is. Bret did a great job of building up Austin, and he was a solid performer back in the Hart Foundation days. Other than that, he was an average wrestler who definitely overachieved. End of story.

Sure the remark about Bret milking Owen's death might be a bit harsh, but like Denis Leary says, life sucks, get a fucking helmet. And even if Flair's comment was harsh, it seems pretty accurate. Bret made media appearance after media appearance to talk about Owen's death, and at every single one he went out of his way to bring up how he was screwed by Vince. And as far as the remarks about Savage and Foley go, well, neither one was really off base. Foley got over because he was stupid enough to get slammed on thumbtacks or barbed wire, and tossed off of cages. It's sad that Foley had to do that because he could do one hell of an interview, but the fact is, it was his stunts that made him a (bandwagon) household name...
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Need more?

Um... yes? Bret wrote 8 or 9 pages about Flair being a shitty wrestler. He wrote one line about Flair being a suck-up. Are you really saying that Flair being a suck-up is the point he was making? What were the other 8 or 9 pages there for, to take up space?

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    You still never answered me about why it's cool for Flair to knock someone by tastelessly bringing up their dead brother.

Who said it's "cool"? It's not nice, but... oh well. That's life. If Bret doesn't like people he's insulted popping back at him, maybe he should shut his mouth now and then. If Flair doesn't like Bret trashing him in this column, then maybe Flair should have kept his mouth shut. Although somehow I doubt we're going to see any columns by Flair in response.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I guess that's not as bad as flip-flopping on something as important as the quality of one's wrestling.

Seriously, what is wrong with you? A guy was going on about how he believed Bret's take on Flair because of how honest Bret is. Did you miss that part? Well, actually, I pointed out that Bret hasn't been very honest as it relates to Flair. He was either lying a few years ago, or he's doing it now because he's mad at him. How you took any of that to mean that I think it's "cool" that Flair brought up Owen is anybody's guess.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Oh, you hate them both now.

You're killin' me, Smalls.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Yes both, Encylopedia Brown. He's obviously talking about his mindset in the first part

He's obviously talking about his mindset the whole time, NANCY DREW. Ohhhhhh burn.
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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Need more?

    Um... yes? Bret wrote 8 or 9 pages about Flair being a shitty wrestler. He wrote one line about Flair being a suck-up. Are you really saying that Flair being a suck-up is the point he was making? What were the other 8 or 9 pages there for, to take up space?


"Id like to punch Ric Flair right in the nose - but Id probably have to kick somebody in the ass to do it!"

Bret's main point wasn't even about wrestling, he argued that Flair was a construction of hype, brown-nosing and that he is two-faced. And yes, he goes into detail about Ric not being able to back up his legendary status. Of course, that's debatable, but since Bret actually wrestled him...


    Originally posted by The Bobsey Twins
    Seriously, what is wrong with you? A guy was going on about how he believed Bret's take on Flair because of how honest Bret is. Did you miss that part? Well, actually, I pointed out that Bret hasn't been very honest as it relates to Flair. He was either lying a few years ago, or he's doing it now because he's mad at him. How you took any of that to mean that I think it's "cool" that Flair brought up Owen is anybody's guess.


Jesus, all my point was was that Bret might have had a little justification for popping back to Flair. Because Flair went a below the belt by bringing up Owen in his book. Which you shrugged off. That was my only point, not that one guys take is better than the other's.

You got excited when you dug up some inconsistencies. Bravo. It doesn't mean Bret's a liar, or a flip-flopper, it means that he was probably PISSED when he wrote his rebuttal.



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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
FWIW, Meltzer's rundown of the 60 minute match in the 1/20/93 WON:

"The match was said to have been a classic. We received nine reports from the show, which must be a record for Boston to begin with. Three of the nine gave it five stars, another ****3/4, another ****1/2, all of whom pretty well indicated it was the best live match they had seen in years. Curiously the other reports were two at ***1/2 and one at 3 and **1/2 each. Just for the record, one five and the **1/2 came from wrestlers. According to one source, Flair thought it was the best match he was involved in
during his entire WWF stay."

Dave then runs down the falls but nowhere makes mention of anything about carrying, just a recap of what happened. It's possible that he mentioned carrying when Bret started knocking Flair in interviews in '94 or '95, but that's a lot of stuff to look through. I'll see what I can do.






"OKay, as far as Bret Hart goes, he was a decent wrestler, but for all intents and purposes, Brad Armstrong could have had the exact same career if he'd been working for Vince."

Brad Armstrong never could've had the connection with WWF fans that caused Vince to keep going back to him when Luger, Nash, and Michaels (at the end) failed in his place.

"And as far as the remarks about Savage and Foley go, well, neither one was really off base."

Comparing Foley to Brutus Beefcake is incredibly off-base. It was probably far and away the most off-base thing said by anybody, at least until Bret exploded.

(edited by JMShapiro on 13.7.04 2234)
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.19
Yikes, if you guys keep it up, someone's likely to get banned like I had the pleasure a couple weeks ago. Everyone seems to have the same feeling, despite all the arguing. Both wrestlers have their own opinions and seem to be highly sensitive when someone criticizes them. Can you guys agree on that much at least? This isn't worth getting riled up over.

As for Bret's "keeping his nose clean" comment, I was under the belief that it was just a saying. As in, he kept out of trouble. Same thing, really. It's no secret the WWF's roster in the 80's and early 90's was pretty heavy into the drugs. Bret stood out for staying straight as an arrow, so whether Flair was on coke or not, Bret still looked like a responsible and classy guy to have represent the company, no? Out of all the WWF/WWE's champions, he's earned a lot of respect from fans at large - nevermind how the IWC feels about him.

Someone claimed all of Bret's matches were the same. Not true, as someone pointed out. It's really too bad that a lot of today's fans grew up after the Hart Foundation's initial tag team run with Jimmy Hart as their manager. For years leading up to that point, I had never seen any tag team be as hated as they were. They cheated non-stop, but Bret was such a masterful technician back then even that he gave the team instant credibility. He was small, but was so deadly in the ring that it seemed like he and Neidhart didn't NEED to cheat. Watching the Hart Foundation and British Bulldogs feud for months was a joy when I was growing up. Great - now I remember why I'm anticipating Bret's WWE DVD, whenver it's released!

Any details on when Flair's Off The Record appearance will be? This is news to me, but I look forward to it. :)

(edited by chill on 14.7.04 0036)
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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    You got excited when you dug up some inconsistencies. Bravo. It doesn't mean Bret's a liar, or a flip-flopper, it means that he was probably PISSED when he wrote his rebuttal.


I "dug up" some inconsistencies by reading the cover story of this past week's Wrestling Observer, which Bret must not have gotten in time, where Meltzer went into detail about how Bret changed his tune about Flair in the late 1990's.

TO WIT, D-Melt writes: "Privately, (Bret) admitted his comments on Flair in his WWE days were more frustration for so many people saying Flair was the greatest ever (he even told me once that he reconciled that his negative comments on Flair were not about Flair himself, but about constantly reading from me that Flair was the greatest ever, and realized that wasn't Flair's fault). He believed he'd been in the ring with people like Dynamite, who were better, conceding Flair as one of the best, but not the best wrestler ever."

But with this new "a lie isn't a lie if Bret's pissed at the time" rule, I guess you really can't blame him for trashing Flair for no reason, since he was mad at what Dave Meltzer wrote. And he was obviously mad about Flair's book. Free passes all around!

    Originally posted by chill
    As for Bret's "keeping his nose clean" comment, I was under the belief that it was just a saying.

I can't imagine Bret would try saying that about somebody after what Dynamite said about him.

(edited by SEADAWG on 14.7.04 0117)
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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
    Originally posted by chill
    As for Bret's "keeping his nose clean" comment, I was under the belief that it was just a saying. As in, he kept out of trouble.



Uhhh, thats not a figure of speech.

Unless he's referring to "brown-nosing", its a cocaine reference.

Methinks that Flair would (understandably) leave this substance out of his stories of partying.
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by StevieRichards
    Uhhh, thats not a figure of speech.

http://www.wordorigins.org/wordork.htm

"Keep your nose clean is an Americanism dating to 1887. It is almost certainly a metaphorical reference to a child maintaining proper hygiene in polite company, in particular children with runny noses. One is expected by be on good behavior and presentable just as a child is among adults.

(Sources: Oxford English Dictionary Online and the Historical Dictionary of American Slang)"
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
SEADAWG, reread that quote, this part "conceding Flair as one of the best, but not the best wrestler ever."

Being "one of the best", he's not talking about Flair as a wrestler in the ring with that. Bret trashed Flair's work and professionalism in that piece. Hogan is "one of the best" but Bret never compliments him as a wrestler.



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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Being "one of the best", he's not talking about Flair as a wrestler in the ring with that.

I'm... pretty sure he is. That quote was from this week's Observer, but the older thing from Meltzer I quoted earlier (page 3) said the same thing, that "In 1998, Hart had a very different feeling and praised Flair to the moon as a worker".
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
Bret Hart is indeed arrogant. I'm of the same belief as Flair about him, in some degree. Especially about him constantly bringing up Montreal after Owen's death, when it was irrelevant. He did bring it up constantly, and after a while it was more about getting Bret over than mourning Owen. Bret has also widely claimed that Owen wouldn't have done the stunt if Bret still worked there. I'm curious why that's the case. Did Bret do all of Owen's thinking?

Bret is as guilty of the "cookie cutter" matches as Flair is. While Bret would like to consider himself in the top echelon of workers like Dynamite, Flair, Steamboat, Michaels, etc, he's low on the totem pole in that degree.




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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37

To put faith in the statements of anyone involved with professional wrestling seems to me an excercise in futility, seeing as how the business is based on a lie that various people attempt and have attempted to perpetuate to varying degress for so long that the concept of truth seems outlandish and unattainable.

But, if you're trying to establish that Vince McMahon is a cruel bastard who doesn't give a rat's ass about his employees in order to make the case that McMahon was at fault for Owen's death, there's not much better evidence than the Montreal Screwjob.

As far as flip-flopping, it seems that Bret's early complaints were more or less amplified by constant reiteration of Flair being the best ever and after time passed he realized this and looked back a bit more objectively and came to the conclusion that Flair wasn't as bad as Bret previously thought. At no point do we get a detailed explanation of Bret's original opinion or how it changed, just a summary from Meltzer saying it was now positive, with "minor" quibbles. But all of that is vague and doesn't really prove a change of opinion that would make someone question the integrity of said opinion. Hindsight helps and age mellows; to change one's opinion on those terms isn't entirely unreasonable.

Upon reading Flair's book, Bret was infuriated and now (again?) has many complaints about Flair as a person and a wrestler. Reading Hart's response, you should be able to tell what is furious hyperbole that can't be verified or is just outright silliness (sorry Bret, Flair could indeed "lace Mick and Randy's boots") and what is an example of the complaints Bret speaks of that can be verified as true or false; i.e. Flair not catching Hart, Hart having to dress Flair down over match calling, etc.

Take the comeback point; say, for example, among Bret's initial complaints was that Flair was using a stale formula, but Bret later realizes that he too used a repetitive formula in his FIVE MOVES OF DOOM~!, so he concludes that using a formula isn't a valid complaint against Flair since Hart and most every other wrestler does something similar and gives that point up. Now Flair blasts Hart for using a stale formula, so Hart dusts off his original complaint as a rebuttal. There is no flip-flop; Bret had the complaint, which was valid, decided it was fallacious because pretty much everyone in wrestling uses some sort of formula, himself included, but used it in rebuttal later because it is again valid given that Flair's point is that Hart was repetitive. (I.E. "If it sucks that I did it, it sucks that you did it, too, pal.") The problem is that we don't have enough information to sort something like that out.

"...all I've got to do is throw in a tape of Bret taking on Undertaker, Sid, Diesel, Nash, or anybody else and I'm seeing the exact same match every time. Bret did manage to have a pretty entertaining match with Hakushi at In Your House 2, or whenever it was."

Yes, Bret vs. a slow, lumbering big man is about the same every time, while Bret vs. a speedy guy who can work is entertaining.




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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    I "dug up" some inconsistencies by reading the cover story of this past week's Wrestling Observer, which Bret must not have gotten in time, where Meltzer went into detail about how Bret changed his tune about Flair in the late 1990's.

    TO WIT, D-Melt writes: "Privately, (Bret) admitted his comments on Flair in his WWE days were more frustration for so many people saying Flair was the greatest ever (he even told me once that he reconciled that his negative comments on Flair were not about Flair himself, but about constantly reading from me that Flair was the greatest ever, and realized that wasn't Flair's fault). He believed he'd been in the ring with people like Dynamite, who were better, conceding Flair as one of the best, but not the best wrestler ever."

    But with this new "a lie isn't a lie if Bret's pissed at the time" rule, I guess you really can't blame him for trashing Flair for no reason, since he was mad at what Dave Meltzer wrote. And he was obviously mad about Flair's book. Free passes all around!


Give Flair one, too, cause he once called Hogan the "greatest champion ever" on a WWE DVD, but certainly changed his tune in the book. Somebody get me a match and Ray Bradbury for inspiration, because obviously it's garbage and Flair's word can't be trusted!

(edited by asteroidboy on 14.7.04 0837)


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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Give Flair one, too, cause he once called Hogan the "greatest champion ever" on a WWE DVD, but certainly changed his tune in the book. Somebody get me a match and Ray Bradbury for inspiration, because obviously it's garbage and Flair's word can't be trusted!

OH MAN, what an exact comparison! If only there was someone here saying they believe Flair's take on Hogan because of how honest Flair's been, you'd have 'em dead to rights.
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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
    Originally posted by Pizza Delivery Jones
    Omega: "The only thing I think Flair said that was influenced by Hunter/McMahon/Michaels was about the Survivor Series 1997 incident. Flair wasn't there, so he only knows it from second-hand information. And, since he's been traveling with Hunter & Michaels for the past few years, as well as being very close to Vince, I assume he believes their version of the story."

    You don't think Flair could have heard about the whole situation while working for WCW? It seems to me like having your company sign the competition's champion would be a big deal and might have had a few people talking...




Well, Bret, Shawn, Vince, and Hunter were the ones there. They are the direct sources of what happened, and the ones Ric would probably listen to the closest. And, since Ric has become good friends with Shawn, Vince, and Hunter, he probably trusts their statements more than Bret's. I just think that his views on Survivor Series would PROBABLY be swayed more in the Shawn/Vince/Hunter version rather than any other version.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    OH MAN, what an exact comparison! If only there was someone here saying they believe Flair's take on Hogan because of how honest Flair's been, you'd have 'em dead to rights.


Well since neither measure up to the SEADAWG gold standard of consistency, then they're both furnace fodder, right?

I mean, c'mon, flip-flop? They aren't running for office. Bret said himself that he blasted Flair *and* Hogan, then went back and apologized and likely got more diplomatic when talking about Flair's skills later on. You can pounce on that and extrapolate that since he did that (or maybe just changed his opinion) that therefore Bret's opinion on Flair is now and forever a moot point. That's up to you.

I don't know if you've ever interviewed people, especially over the span of years and years, but I have. You'll find that their attitudes and opinions change. People soften or people get old and bitter. In fact, what's rare is if someone holds the exact same opinions forevermore. That's because these opinions are shaped by their environment and whatever events are going on. That's why best friends turn on each other, people get divorced, Randy Savage started hating Hulk Hogan, etc. It doesn't mean that they're equivocating liars, as you're thundering, it just means that things change.



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