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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
"The funniest part of Bret's column is that Meltzer's ineptitude as a "professional journalist" is exposed (re: Flair/Bret match, whereby Meltzer claimed Flair carried the match despite the fact that Meltzer did not witness the match and relied on some fan's opinion)"

I don't have the 1993 Observers with me to give an exact quote of his coverage of the Boston match, but Dave has always relied on correspondents for coverage of house shows because a) house shows used to be far more important than they are today and thus warranted more coverage, and b) one person can only go to a fraction of the house shows that take place in the world. Dave's house show reports to this day are amalgamated from the various reports he gets. It's not like the headline of the issue read "ITEM! Flair carries Hart in 60 minute match that I attended."





"Man, Bret's truth-telling ability just seems to get more and more solidified, doesn't it?"

Bret Hart and Ned Wicker aren't the first two people to knock Flair for being repetitive. Plus, Bret's assessment of Flair as a worker is more of a subjective thing and outside the realm of truth vs. untruth.
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
    Originally posted by chill
    He didn't really flip-flop, nor did he lie.


He totally flip-flopped... or, might I say, *Flair* Flopped. I'm not talking about what he wrote in his response to Flair, I'm talking about the things he said in the late 1990's that Dave Meltzer has been repeating lately.

    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer via his son Justin
    "I've talked at length with Hart about Flair. Basically the problem was in 92, when they first worked together, Flair called the entire match and really didn't want to listen to input, feeling he was the heel and the veteran. Bret was used to calling matches in WWE. They had very good matches, maybe 1-2 great ones, but had different ideas on how to do them.

    In 1998, Hart had a very different feeling and praised Flair to the moon as a worker, but had minor quibbles. He saw him this year and now considers him "not human" and the last time we spoke about him is in total awe of him for how hard he worked, his conditioning and longevity. I don't think he'd say Flair was the greatest worker in history, because he usually reserves that for Dynamite. But he's far higher on him now than he was eight years ago."

Now Bret hates him again. Either he wasn't being honest when he revised his opinion of Flair, or he's not being honest now.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.19
JMShapiro, I know what you're saying and I agree. However, what Bret is alleging is that Meltzer passed off the fan's opinion as his own and as fact (as if he was there and had seen it himself). To his credit, Meltzer apparently took it back when confronted by Bret. It still makes me chuckle, seeing how serious Meltzer takes himself.

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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    Now Bret hates him again. Either he wasn't being honest when he revised his opinion of Flair, or he's not being honest now.


Dude, look at the context. Flair basically took a unwarranted shot at Bret using his dead brother. Would you not respond to that and maybe even use some old ammunition? Yeah he flip-flopped, but give the guy some lattitude for justifiably being pissed.

And if Bret recently HAD been so high on Flair, as your snippets indicate, then Flair's comments in the books seem even MORE out-of-the-blue and not return fire, as with Foley.

What this whole episode REALLY shows is that if Bret ever finishes his book, it will be a hum-dinger.

ps - As for Meltzer's cred, Bret also indicated that Meltzer wrote the most accurate account of the screw job. And he's got it re-printed on his site. I'd say that's a good endorsement.

(edited by asteroidboy on 13.7.04 1705)

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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
Meltzer (via SEADAWG): In 1998, Hart had a very different feeling and praised Flair to the moon as a worker, but had minor quibbles. He saw him this year and now considers him "not human" and the last time we spoke about him is in total awe of him for how hard he worked, his conditioning and longevity. I don't think he'd say Flair was the greatest worker in history, because he usually reserves that for Dynamite. But he's far higher on him now than he was eight years ago

One thing that stuck out to me about Hart's comments was his accusations of "liberty taking" on Flair's part...seeing how he IDOLIZES Dynamite, who was one of the most ruthless, vicious bastards in the business for years. That just struck me as funny, for some reason

As far as the "who is the better worker", yes, that is very subjective, same as any other sport. I look at it this way - Flair's rep came from being a "Sixty Minute Man", which (as he points out in his book), is much different pacing than 20-35 minutes, naturally.

Hart's chance at 60 minutes was against HBK. Arguably his most famous match...compare that to Flair vs. Steamboat 2 out of 3 falls, which went around sixty (57ish?)

For me, that's about as close as you can come to compare, with neither man having to "carry" the other guy. Personally, one is a snooze fest with bad selling, a couple really great high spots and a screw job finish. The other is almost non-stop, featuring a rest hold that transitions into about 20,000 knee drops - still one of the coolest things I have ever seen - and a clean finish. I don't think that it's even close - and I rate HBK over Steamboat all days of the week. Even if you take out the political ramifications of the 0-0 tie, which is another can of worms all it itself, I still don't think it's close.

Also- Bret is bitching about Flair from 92-93, a good four years after his prime. Which was four years removed from his first prime.

No one really wins this...but obviously Flair has found his peace in life and the wrestling business, while Hart is still Bret Hart. Bitter.

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A few points, first, didnt Flair OWN the big gold belt? Wasnt it his? I always heard that the story was that he wanted to be reiumbursed for paying for it, since Crockett was basically broke all the time, and that was why he left with it.

Also, lets look at this whole Flair/Hart being poor workers. Bret says Flair does the same old stuff. Well, just about every Brett Hart match I have ever seen was basically the same formula as well. Just because his spots werent as over the top as Flair's doesnt make it any less telegraphed does it? Bret was going to do the five moves of doom, and end with the Sharp Shooter. Perhaps a figure four thrown in for good measure instead of the Sharp Shooter. But you could always count on Bret to get thrown chest first into the turnbuckles, get his knee hurt, use a head butt that wouldnt knock anybody down, get knocked sideways through the ropes, etc. Just about every significant Bret Hart match had these elements.

Also, for him to comment on Flair holding a belt "hostage" and how it was bad for him to do to the company he was leaving behind, could he explain to me how him whining for months about jobbing to Shawn? If he was so OLD SCHOOL, would he not job to anybody, at any time? At least Taz went back to ECW to take out Mike Awesome and then to job the title to Justin Credible, all while under WWF contract. He did it because it was "the right way to do business" yet Bret couldnt do it the same way back for him? Why not just drop the title on a RAW before the SS? Thats how he got his first shot at the title, at a house show, why couldnt he put over Shawn on TV a month before the PPV?

Oh, and if you watch Wrestling With Shadows, he claims to have "REASONABLE creative control" Not TOTAL creative control. If Vince didnt think his ideas for his "charector" was beneficial for business, I am quite sure he had a veto clause in the contract.

Plus, look at it this way, best Bret Hart Fued? Bret v Michaels? Bret v Owen? Best Flair Fued? Flair v Steamboat, Flair v Race, Flair v Dusty? If not for the SS, Bret wouldnt have any notable things have happened in his career, other than a program vs his brother, and the Anti USA program (which was WILDLY entertaining, BTW) but a three month program, and a year long fued with your brother just isnt as much as a legacy as the matches Flair has had.


In the big picture, Bret and his assertion that the WWF was the "Big Leagues" he also needs to note that he only got to the BIGS himself because his daddy got him a job when selling Stampede to Vince. Not because he "deserved" it or because he was such a great talent and draw.

I like both, and both are among my top 5 favorite wreslers of all time, but Bret needs to be reeled in a bit, because he is just talking out his ass. Oh, he has a few jobbers on his side. How can they complain about Flair's schtick when thier own was to sell every finisher any other wrestler threw at them? Not really in any position to judge. And, if people still mark for his "stupid chops" then guess what Bret, he is doing something right.

Also, lets look at every other major star, and please tell me who DOESNT use a formula? Undertaker? No sells everything. SCSA bad ass who stomps and punches and then KICK, WHAM! Stunner! Michaels, just as many flip flop moments as Flair, oversells, and makes dramatic comebacks, Foley, get the crap beat out of you, and beat the crap out of your oponent, Savage was actually a gifted wrestler back in Memphis and his early WWF run, and was able to get cheap heat, and make fans hate him. Every superstar has thier own pacing of a match. Thier own signature moves they hit, and thier own way to make others look good. To point out Flair's flop, or corner flip and run to the other side, or his never hitting a top rope move is just nit picking and sour grapes at how his own legacy isnt as grand as Ric Flair's.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

Okay, let's not totally crap all over Bret here. No rivalries? The man had wars with Steve Austin, Owen and Michaels, who was obviously his Ricky Steamboat, for lack of a better comparison.

And lets also not forget that Bret headlined one of their greatest PPVs (Wrestlemania X), and made Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels stars through giving them big wins. Flair never made a bigger star than either of those two. Bret also introduced the ladder match to the WWF, which revolutionized their matches.

I love Flair's matches, too, and it doesn't get better than Flair/Steamboat. But don't equate Bret with some hack like Tom Zenk.

(edited by asteroidboy on 13.7.04 1845)


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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.62
Back in the old days, if you were chosen to be champion, you had to put up $25,000 as collateral for the title...by doing so, you invested in staying with the territory and that the territory knew if you took the belt you would be out that money...

When Flair left, he told Jim Herd to bring him his $25,000 deposit...he didn't so he kept the belt...technically it was "his"...they later on settled the situation...



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
"A few points, first, didnt Flair OWN the big gold belt?"

No, he put down a deposit. Jim Herd was willing to pay it back. Flair wanted interest on it. Flair went on WWF TV with the belt, a lawsuit was filed and they had to blur it out and settle. As Justin pointed out, during his negotiations, Flair used the belt as leverage and then left with it instead of losing to Luger. Jim Herd was a dumbass so I don't really blame Flair for taking advantage of him.

"Well, just about every Brett Hart match I have ever seen was basically the same formula as well. "

You must not have seen many Bret Hart matches because while he uses many of the same moves (all wrestlers do), its the psychology and the story of the match that are constantly changing. Post-1989 (which Hart is judging Flair on), when Flair was leading, he had one match - one story and one that Bret didn't like.

"how it was bad for him to do to the company he was leaving behind, could he explain to me how him whining for months about jobbing to Shawn?"

Bret didn't whine for months about jobbing to Shawn. He agreed to lose to Shawn and he asked Shawn man-to-man, if the situation were reversed, would you do the same for me? Shawn could have lied like he did about Montreal but he didn't, he said he wouldn't do it so Bret agreed to drop the title to ANYONE BUT SHAWN, anywhere, anytime. Then he even agreed to drop it to Shawn somewhere other then Montreal. Vince booked the Survivor Series Main Event after the Bret/Shawn incident as well.

"a three month program, and a year long fued with your brother just isnt as much as a legacy as the matches Flair has had."

You're missing all his Stampede work, his tag team work, his IC Title runs, etc. Just because he was on top when Vince's grand plan was to push the likes of Yokozuna and Diesel shouldn't be counted against him.

I'd put Bret/Austin from WM17 up against Flair did outside of his Steamboat feud.

And for the person who rated HBK above Steamboat as a worker? You're out of your mind. Steamboat was probably one the best babyface workers ever. Shawn worked better as a heel and couldn't exactly hang on the mat in that Ironman match.

"In the big picture, Bret and his assertion that the WWF was the "Big Leagues" he also needs to note that he only got to the BIGS himself because his daddy got him a job when selling Stampede to Vince. Not because he "deserved" it or because he was such a great talent and draw."

Where do you get your information? Seriously. Vince wanted to take Bret anyways but Stu struck a deal with him instead of Vince just demolishing him like every other promoter.

"Also, lets look at every other major star, and please tell me who DOESNT use a formula? "

Its not about a formula. Its about Flair not having great ring psychology and always doing the same routine, in the same order, against everyone from about 1990-on. Flair is very entertaining but he always had to get his stuff in whether it made sense or not.

I suggest people re-read Bret's critiques of Flair's work then go watch a couple various Flair matches closely.

    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Also- Bret is bitching about Flair from 92-93, a good four years after his prime. Which was four years removed from his first prime.


Would you rather he took Flair's route and comment on times he wasn't even around people (Hart and Foley)? It's only fair that Bret comments on the Ric Flair that he wrestled. Its not like Flair was a midcarder, he was the top guy.


    No one really wins this...but obviously Flair has found his peace in life and the wrestling business, while Hart is still Bret Hart. Bitter.


I'm glad that Flair is finally at peace with all the horrible shit he did in his life and that he's man enough to own up to it in his book but he's still getting backdropped on the floor because he blew his life savings. Bret's sitting in his mansion in Calgary, his future secure, his children's children's future secure, and Vince sucking him off at every opportunity to get him back.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Yeah he flip-flopped, but give the guy some lattitude for justifiably being pissed.

That's like watching somebody punch a guy in the gut for a while, and then feeling sorry for him when he gets kicked in the nuts. Bret can say whatever he wants about Flair, but let's not excuse him and pretend that he's a shining beacon of honesty while he does it.

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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    but he's still getting backdropped on the floor because he blew his life savings.

You've said this before, and I'd kinda like to know where you got the impression that Flair lost all his money, because I really don't think that's true. Plus, didn't he come to WWE after getting a buyout of his WCW contract? He could have sat on his ass at home and made MORE money off that deal.

(edited by SEADAWG on 13.7.04 1859)
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    You've said this before, and I'd kinda like to know where you got the impression that Flair lost all his money, because I really don't think that's true. Plus, didn't he come to WWE after getting a buyout of his WCW contract? He could have sat on his ass at home and made MORE money off that deal.


Its always been the talk in the Observer and Torch that Flair lived like "Ric Flair" and spent all his money on booze, women, clothes, jets, etc. There were a couple other big money losses. One was when Bischoff fired him over breach of contract and Flair paid tons of money in attorneys. The other was something to do with some bad investments that he made, I think in his gyms that he lost a TON of money on.

I remember Meltzer writing something in the Observer back when Flair came back to WWF after his Turner contract ran out like "Flair came back because he's Ric Flair and the money won't hurt," something like that.

I'm sure he lives comfortably and even well on his salary but if you think of all the money he earned to what he probably has, he blew it.

Do you think he'd really been taking backdrops on the floor with a neck that needs surgery if he didn't have to?

I know Bret has talked about that he saved his money pretty well and made smart investments. It was something that he was always taught to do and it was very important to Owen as well. Same goes for Mick Foley, who talked about being ribbed for being so cheap but now he's got a good deal of money saved up.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      but he's still getting backdropped on the floor because he blew his life savings.

    You've said this before, and I'd kinda like to know where you got the impression that Flair lost all his money, because I really don't think that's true. Plus, didn't he come to WWE after getting a buyout of his WCW contract? He could have sat on his ass at home and made MORE money off that deal.

    (edited by SEADAWG on 13.7.04 1859)


I take Flair's side over Bret's everytime, twice on Sunday. However, Flair did blow his money. From pg. 41 of his book:

"That's the way my wrestling career went for the next fifteen years- if I made $3,000, I spent $4,000. If I made $5,000, I spent $10,000. the image people would later have of Ric Flair throwing around money was absolutely true. the difference was that in the real world, there wasn't always more where that came from."

Throw in Flair's comments regarding poor investments, bad accountants, and back taxes, and Flair did go through a ton of cash in his career.

The real sad part of this discussion is that Bret Hart is less than 1/1000th of the book. Foley is probably less than that. I think Flair ripping Steamboat's wife was more compelling than anything he said about Hart. And seeing David Crockett taking shots at how Jim Crockett ran things at the end of the 80's is more interesting than all of that combined.

(edited by CRZ on 13.7.04 1731)
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
Yes the book is an awesome read. It's very compelling, funny, interesting, and entertaining. David Crockett taking shots at anyone is hilarious.

Its certainly going to be more interesting now when Flair is on Off The Record in a couple weeks to plug the book.





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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Yeah he flip-flopped, but give the guy some lattitude for justifiably being pissed.

    That's like watching somebody punch a guy in the gut for a while, and then feeling sorry for him when he gets kicked in the nuts. Bret can say whatever he wants about Flair, but let's not excuse him and pretend that he's a shining beacon of honesty while he does it.


Not at all, Bret has got his point of view, just like Flair. It's just that I think Bret is right.

So he went back and forth on Flair... does that make it not out-of-bounds for Flair to say, "Geez, he was kind of a bitch about his brother dying"??

    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      but he's still getting backdropped on the floor because he blew his life savings.

    You've said this before, and I'd kinda like to know where you got the impression that Flair lost all his money, because I really don't think that's true. Plus, didn't he come to WWE after getting a buyout of his WCW contract? He could have sat on his ass at home and made MORE money off that deal.

    (edited by SEADAWG on 13.7.04 1859)


I don't know one way or another, but Flair's post-match speech after "A Special Night in Greenville" on his DVD was interesting. He says basically, there was a time when he didn't feel like himself and he had lost some confidence but "you wouldn't believe the quality of life I have now."

Now he COULD be talking about how he got his groove back, but I took that to mean, "I was broke, but now I'm okay."

(edited by asteroidboy on 13.7.04 2006)


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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
I took that more as meaning losing confidence in his in-ring work (in the book he mentions how in 2002 he was dissapointed with how he performed in matches with Vince McMahon, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, and Rob Van Dam), and how he now felt that he was back to his old self.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
It would be easier to just link the post than rehash my feelings on this.

Geez Bret, bitter much?



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Its always been the talk in the Observer and Torch that Flair lived like "Ric Flair" and spent all his money on booze, women, clothes, jets, etc.

Surely he lives the lifestyle and spent lots of money over the years, but that's a pretty far cry from implying that he has no choice to work because he's broke. I don't think Meltzer or anyone at the Torch has ever suggested that to be the case.

And again, I'm 99.9% sure that Flair left a more lucrative WCW deal to come work for the WWF in 2001, which wouldn't fit the M.O. of a guy who needed money. As for taking backdrops and stuff, it's not like he gets a per-backdrop bonus, is it? He's a crazy old man.

But as I always do, I will defer to my respected elders, and someone recently posed a similar question about Flair's lifestyle to The Immortal Mark Madden at the Torch VIP forums. He totally poo-pooed the notion that Flair has any problems with money.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    It's just that I think Bret is right.

Right about what? That Flair's a shitty wrestler? I think Bret's pretty wrong on that one. And Flair's equally wrong about Bret. They're both pretty wrong. And stupid! I've just decided that I don't even like them anymore.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Now he COULD be talking about how he got his groove back, but I took that to mean, "I was broke, but now I'm okay."

Well, I would think that he was almost assuredly referring to how WCW messed with his head and he thought he was worthless until he came back to WWE. But I will not discount the outside possibility that he was sneaking in a reference to his personal finances.
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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    He's a crazy old man.


Crazy enough to take back drops while turning down "lucrative contracts?" That IS crazy!


    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    Right about what? That Flair's a shitty wrestler? I think Bret's pretty wrong on that one. And Flair's equally wrong about Bret. They're both pretty wrong. And stupid! I've just decided that I don't even like them anymore.


No, that Flair is a groveling old fart, who kisses ass. Which isn't a new revalation.


    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    Well, I would think that he was almost assuredly referring to how WCW messed with his head and he thought he was worthless until he came back to WWE. But I will not discount the outside possibility that he was sneaking in a reference to his personal finances.


Well, I would think most assuredly that he was talking about both, since "quality of life" generally refers to someone's physical state and/or mobility, which more directly relates to finances. But I'll likewise not discount the possibility that he was using the phrase to sneak in an update on his psychological health. Enough.



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#59 Posted on
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Really though, who's the one who was holding the belt for ransom? Flair for wanting to parlay dropping the title into a contract extension, or Hart for wanting to drop the title in Springfield instead of at Survivor Series.


Personally, I think the way they got Wendi Richter to drop the belt would have worked out much better. Also, it would have been much funnier, as well.

Hell, they did it in Montreal, even.
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    No, that Flair is a groveling old fart, who kisses ass. Which isn't a new revalation.

Yes, that's clearly the point Bret was making.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Well, I would think most assuredly that he was talking about both

Oh, so now it's both.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    But I'll likewise not discount the possibility that he was using the phrase to sneak in an update on his psychological health.

What do you think he was talking about when he said he'd lost his confidence? He also said that he was now working with positive people and how great it was to have the respect of his peers. When you're a happier person in a happier environment, doesn't your quality of life improve? What does any of that have to do with money? (It doesn't.)
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