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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
Quick 'n Dirty Style:

-Chris Jericho & Big Show d. MVP & Mark Henry to retain Unified Tag Titles (Jericho pins Henry after Show's PUNCH OF DOOM, tm Scott Keith)
-Kofi Kingston d. The Miz to retain United States Title (Kingston pins Miz after Trouble In Paradise)
-The Legacy d. DX (Michaels taps to Million Dollar Dream/Ringpost Figure 4 combo)
-Kane d. Great Khali in Singapore Cane match (Kane pins Khali after chokeslam)
-Christian d. William Regal to retain ECW title (Christian pins Regal after Killswitch)
-John Cena d. Randy Orton to win WWE Title (Orton taps to handcuff-assisted STFU)
-CM Punk d. Undertaker to retain World Heavyweight Title (Punk applies Anaconda Vice, Montreal finish)

If you're looking for someone to kill a hot heel streak dead, look no further than Undertaker. He made Punk look like a chump, making him tap immediately to the gogoplata. It took YET ANOTHER Montreal rehash and a Teddy Long heel turn to give Punk any kind of victory. You'd think the Montreal Finish would be retired after Earl Hebner's departure from the company, but you'd be wrong.

Probably Cena's best match in a long time. Having said that, I'm guessing the belt's back on Orton within a month, because this company's got such a short attention span.

Someone's heel turn is all but certain now. Whether it's Shawn or Triple H, time will tell. I personally think they throw us a curveball and have Hunter turn on Shawn, blaming him for their loss by not being all-in on another DX reunion.

Mildly decent PPV, overall.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by It's False


    If you're looking for someone to kill a hot heel streak dead, look no further than Undertaker. He made Punk look like a chump, making him tap immediately to the gogoplata. It took YET ANOTHER Montreal rehash and a Teddy Long heel turn to give Punk any kind of victory. You'd think the Montreal Finish would be retired after Earl Hebner's departure from the company, but you'd be wrong.


I can't disagree with this enough. Punk did something I haven't seen any new main eventer or young guy do with Taker in a long time, and that's be aggressive. I wouldn't go so far as to say he dominated, but he absolutely was more of an aggressor than say... Kennedy or Orton ever were in their first feuds with Taker, not to mention Taker actually sold for him. And the tap out was presented as a fluke, with Punk just putting his arm in the wrong spot while dominating. In fact initially I thought they were playing off the first Lesnar/Mir fight. So I thought he came out looking just fine. If anything I thought the Montreal finish hurt him more, as it was the type of cowardly heel tactic that a guy who is scared of Taker would do, and Punk hasn't been portrayed as being one of those guys.

You have to love them doing a Montreal screwjob on the same show as HHH teasing the crowd for not being over it.

(edited by CxMorgado on 13.9.09 2337)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
DIDN'T LIKE IT. Cena/Orton and Christian/Regal were really good, DX/Legacy had a swell finish, Kofi/Miz was good. But the finish killed the show. Taker and Punk did work well together in their EIGHT MINUTE MAIN EVENT while it lasted.

I cannot fathom why these Canadians just don't get over that screwjob that they're constantly reminded of.

Was the last Montreal finish Shawn and Shane on Saturday Night's Main Event in 2006?

I guess Punk and Teddy are having an affair now.

I'm thinking Cena & DX vs. Legacy in a Hell in a Cell match. They've had five guys in at once so maybe it's feasible. And at least that would differentiate one Cell match from a Taker/Punk singles match IAC. Which by all rights should end with Big Kane the Giant Killer ripping the door off and tombstoning UT again.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.96
No no no, Punk looked sensational tonight. He was terrific. He countered Old School and superplexed Undertaker! He countered the chokeslam goozle with one of his high kicks. He got chairshots and a ton of offense in on Undertaker. He was great. Undertaker gave him a ton. Why did Punk tap in two seconds to the Hell's Gate? BECAUSE HE WAS IN ON THE MONTREAL SCREWJOB 2009. He and Teddy Long were in on it together. He KNEW the Hell's Gate was banned, so who cares if he submitted immediately? He KNEW it wouldn't count and it was smarter to tap immediately than risk being injured by remaining in the hold. And then he screwed the Undertaker and retained the title. It was ingenious. Undertaker got the win everyone expected but had it taken away and Punk escaped with the title and looked like a criminal mastermind in outfoxing the mighty Undertaker. I couldn't be happier with how that turned out. They had their cake and ate it too.

It was Orton who looked like a total bitch. He was in the STF less than 7 seconds before he tapped. And prior to that, after practically waterboarding Cena, all Cena did to him was throw punches and suddenly Orton was completely demolished.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I guess Punk and Teddy are having an affair now.


I think this actually has more to do with the whole Vince wanting Teddy to be more like him skits.

Miz/Kofi was fun. I'd like to see them get a rematch with some actual build up so that Miz can go over and have it mean something.

I was actually pretty underwhelmed by Cena/Orton. It wasn't bad or anything, but the constant cuffing and uncuffing, and Cena's monotone "no"'s kept taking me out of it. They told a good story, I just couldn't get into it. I vastly preferred Cena's I Quit match with JBL. And Orton tapping in .5 of a second was terrible. Unlike Punk, he didn't have a GM to fall back on, so had no reason to not fight it. I did like Cena using his own arm to choke him tho.

I marked out when Ted slapped the Million Dollar Dream on and was yelling tap at the screen, I admit it. That WAS a pretty ugly ringpost figure four tho. Match had a little too much "fight the guy up the stairs, fight the guy down the stairs" tho.

Kane/Khali... well, at least they beat the crap out of each other with the canes.

The Dolph Ziggler channels Henny Youngman segment did nothing for me.


(edited by CxMorgado on 13.9.09 2346)

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
Yeah, I haven't really seen Taker sell back and forth as a babyface for someone that small. At least Edge is decently tall. Punk took it to him.

Am I crazy though or has Undertaker used the Hell's Gate since it was banned? Didn't he do it at Wrestlemania? Obv it doesn't matter because Teddy is being unfair and enforcing bogus rules at his discretion. But still.

    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    I think this actually has more to do with the whole Vince wanting Teddy to be more like him skits.


Yes, Teddy was going to put his picture back up and everything. Is Teddy's big announcement for Smackdown that "I am mean now"?

(edited by JustinShapiro on 13.9.09 2346)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
What the FUCK was that on Ted Dibiase's ear?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/J-STrudel/earwtf.jpg

Best picture I could find off the E's website, but he had this sort of Jillian-like mole in his ear.

(edited by JST on 14.9.09 0005)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Yeah, I haven't really seen Taker sell back and forth as a babyface for someone that small. At least Edge is decently tall. Punk took it to him.

    Am I crazy though or has Undertaker used the Hell's Gate since it was banned? Didn't he do it at Wrestlemania? Obv it doesn't matter because Teddy is being unfair and enforcing bogus rules at his discretion. But still.

      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      I think this actually has more to do with the whole Vince wanting Teddy to be more like him skits.


    Yes, Teddy was going to put his picture back up and everything. Is Teddy's big announcement for Smackdown that "I am mean now"?

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 13.9.09 2346)


Someone on a different board I frequent (Straight Edge hardcore board, not a wrestling board) had an interesting thought, which was that the storyline is going to be management doing whatever it takes to keep the belt on Punk because Punk is a guaranteed pass on a drug test. Despite tonight's mention of Jeff, I think that might hit a little too close to home for them to go through with, but it is an interesting thought.



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    Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Yeah, I haven't really seen Taker sell back and forth as a babyface for someone that small. At least Edge is decently tall. Punk took it to him.

      Am I crazy though or has Undertaker used the Hell's Gate since it was banned? Didn't he do it at Wrestlemania? Obv it doesn't matter because Teddy is being unfair and enforcing bogus rules at his discretion. But still.

        Originally posted by CxMorgado
        I think this actually has more to do with the whole Vince wanting Teddy to be more like him skits.


      Yes, Teddy was going to put his picture back up and everything. Is Teddy's big announcement for Smackdown that "I am mean now"?

      (edited by JustinShapiro on 13.9.09 2346)


    Someone on a different board I frequent (Straight Edge hardcore board, not a wrestling board) had an interesting thought, which was that the storyline is going to be management doing whatever it takes to keep the belt on Punk because Punk is a guaranteed pass on a drug test. Despite tonight's mention of Jeff, I think that might hit a little too close to home for them to go through with, but it is an interesting thought.


Oh, come on, that'll never happen, WWE will never use the Wellness Program in storyli--oh. Right. Well, it'd be interesting if they did, although that would all hinge on Punk's complicity with Management (tm).



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
Just finished watching it. Cena/Orton match was great. The rest were okay..... I wish though they would have set up MVP/Henry winning so that Jericho could chase after the belt. I guess now they are going to set up HBK was the title chaser when him and DX split up. But please, no more Orton chasing the belt for a while. And double please, no Batista chasing the belt now.

They screwed up that one part of the Regal Christian match where Christian could have gotten seriously hurt. But it also shows that professionalism that Regal and Christian have in the ring. They know what they were doing. I hope Regal gets another chance at being a GM. GM in ECW with him putting Kozlov/Jackson over.

Didn't like Punk bringing up Jeff Hardy again. Usually heel heat is good....but not in the case, this is the type of heat you don't want to have.

BTW- the original Montreal screw job was a total work. No way they show Bret Hart punching Vince McMahon if it wasn't one. First rule of wrestling, if they show footage of anything, it's a work except for a gross injury which we can all tell on the spot.

Someone mentioned that WWF is getting like Nitro/Thunder toward the end, getting lazy with the finishes.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.86
Pretty sure they never showed Bret punching Vince, given that it apparently happened in the locker room. They've shown Bret spitting in Vince's face a buncha times, but even then it was waaay after the fact that said footage saw the light of day.

Goddamn, could they not have done that Ziggler segment in half the time? Punk/UT was groovin' while it lasted, but the end was just awful. I don't think it hurts Punk's momentum any, but it just didn't work. I dearly hope they work out some way of putting him over in the Cell next month.

Legacy destroying DX was awesome. As was the Cena/Orotn match. That should've gone on last, but hey, gotta spite those Canadians, right?
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Pretty sure they never showed Bret punching Vince, given that it apparently happened in the locker room. They've shown Bret spitting in Vince's face a buncha times, but even then it was waaay after the fact that said footage saw the light of day.

    Goddamn, could they not have done that Ziggler segment in half the time? Punk/UT was groovin' while it lasted, but the end was just awful. I don't think it hurts Punk's momentum any, but it just didn't work. I dearly hope they work out some way of putting him over in the Cell next month.

    Legacy destroying DX was awesome. As was the Cena/Orotn match. That should've gone on last, but hey, gotta spite those Canadians, right?

IIRC the whole post-match stuff from SS 97 was shown during the Vince "bret screwed bret" interviews.

Did the world really need another Montreal Finish and another EVIL GM~! It's like someone saw that Smackdown was doing well and people were liking it, so they had to tamper with it.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.86
I hope Teddy's reasoning is "well hey, look what happened when Vince did it!". Six months later and the WWF was an international monster.

What would've been REALLY intriguing is Teddy screwing PUNK with the Montreal finish, in order to protect established star Undertaker after Punk ran Jeff Hardy out of town. That could've led to all sorts of ace stuff.
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I actually felt uneasy during the RAW matches. For some reason, King n Cole decided to break out their Owen Hart Voices for both matches. Especially during the torture porn stricken WWE title match, which really felt like an aborted episode of 24.

I'm not good at predictions, but even I saw the Teddy Turn coming given the sixty-two segments over the last two months with Vince and Teddy talking about the probation order on Smackdown.

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    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    BTW- the original Montreal screw job was a total work. No way they show Bret Hart punching Vince McMahon if it wasn't one. First rule of wrestling, if they show footage of anything, it's a work except for a gross injury which we can all tell on the spot.
No footage exists of Bret punching McMahon, so "First rule of wrestling" doesnt apply. The footage we DID see was of McMahon walking out of the lockerroom post-punch, and that was from the "Wrestling with Shadows" documentary, not WWE footage, so First Rule still doesnt apply.



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    Originally posted by It's False
    Someone's heel turn is all but certain now. Whether it's Shawn or Triple H, time will tell. I personally think they throw us a curveball and have Hunter turn on Shawn, blaming him for their loss by not being all-in on another DX reunion.

No, Shawn HAS to be the one to turn heel. Not only would it be a WAY fresher dynamic than face Shawn/heel HHH would be (again), they already have the reason for the turn built in after last night with HHH's failure to save Shawn from the ignominy of having to tap out.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    I wish though they would have set up MVP/Henry winning so that Jericho could chase after the belt.


But if Jericho had lost the tag titles then he couldn't be on Raw.

    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    No, Shawn HAS to be the one to turn heel.


I don't think Shawn is going to spend any of whatever time is left in his active career as a heel.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
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      No, Shawn HAS to be the one to turn heel.


    I don't think Shawn is going to spend any of whatever time is left in his active career as a heel.
Plus, you know how well Shawn's last heel turn (vs. Hogan) turned out. I'm pretty certain it was an unequivocal failure.

It'd be cool, though...but I don't see it happening.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
Wasn't Shawn's last heel turn against The Undertaker?
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by Oliver
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Texas Kelly
        No, Shawn HAS to be the one to turn heel.


      I don't think Shawn is going to spend any of whatever time is left in his active career as a heel.
    Plus, you know how well Shawn's last heel turn (vs. Hogan) turned out. I'm pretty certain it was an unequivocal failure.


I thought everyone loved it but Shawn.

    Originally posted by InVerse
    Wasn't Shawn's last heel turn against The Undertaker?


He's kind of played interim heel against most of the top babyfaces whenever he was in a face-face program. Benoit, Hogan, Cena, Flair, Undertaker. I think Batista was more the heel when they feuded though.
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