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#1 Posted on
Wow, I don't often start threads here(nervous), but I thought it'd be interesting to see what people think about this. I don't how many people are aware of Bradshaw's column on WWE.com, but here speaks briefly on the grand old tradition of HHH bashing. Wish I knew how to link but anyway, here's his thoughts:

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"I have seen some of the negative stuff Triple H has gotten on the ‘Net. My question would be, what are you people who are writing this stuff mad at? Triple H came into this company years ago with an above-average build and above-average ring ability. His body has become the best in the business; he has become one of the best workers in this business. What is it that you guys who write bad things hate about him?

Try a little introspection. You guys who have written this stuff: How have you advanced in your job? Have you done as much as he has to succeed? If not, why? Here is a guy who has worked his ass off to be in this position, and I dare say, a lot of people that are negative are that way because they themselves are mad because they don't have that kind of discipline, so they have to make excuses for other people's success and blame it on other factors. A lot of people believe they haven't succeeded because something or someone is against them, when most of the time it is just because they are lazy and unmotivated.

Look at the facts. Triple H was here when Steve Austin was out injured, The Rock was making movies and Undertaker was hurt. Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle weren't here yet; Kane was also injured during this time. So Triple H had to carry the ball in a very hard spot, and he did a great job. He was the whole show several times, because he was the only one at the time capable of doing it. So those of you who have written bad things, keep writing. You guys love to be negative, but at least be honest about the facts.

On a side note, if Triple H is the Cerebral Assassin, would Ivory be the Brain-Dead Diva?"
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Doesn't sound like anything I haven't heard before but, anyway. Be respectful.







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#2 Posted on
It's all about the game and how you play it.

At least Bradshaw knows where his bread is buttered even if the big dumb cowboy thinks Saddam Hussein is the President of Afghanistan.
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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Bradshaw
    On a side note, if Triple H is the Cerebral Assassin, would Ivory be the Brain-Dead Diva?


What the hell does that even MEAN???




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LET ME HOLLA AT YA PLAYA!

If simply being around while Rock was making movies, and before Brock Lesnar debuts while "working your ass off" is enough of a "fact" to justify someone being a star, where's Chris Benoit's world title?

Oh, right.
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#5 Posted on
I'd love to see the dates of the injuries Bradshaw referred to and the arrival of Jericho, Angle, and Beniot. I know Jericho was there well before Rocky went off to Hollywood. Sounds like more typical revionist history.



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#6 Posted on
Austin went down in November of 99 and thus began the year of H. Jericho was already in. Angle had just debuted. Benoit came in February. Rock didn't go shoot his movie until after his WrestleMania X-7 (2001) match with Austin, which left Austin to carry the load without HHH or Rock around.

So uh yeah, Bradshaw's killed too many brain cells with his drinking.
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#7 Posted on
"You guys love to be negative, but at least be honest about the facts."

The facts are that the ratings have dropped at an incredible rate while the show has been centered around him. The fact is that after the split, Smackdown has consistently been the better show. The fact is that HHH has been fed star after star in an attempt to get him to draw some money and it has not worked. The fact is that his segments have been lower that others during RAW accept if he is in a title match in which viewers are foolish enough to think he is going to lose the match. The fact is that even when he lost the title to HBK, RAW was still centered around him. I guess I could keep going on and on about the true facts, but I seriously think Bradshaw is kissing ass and hoping that it translates into APA returning to defeat RVD and Kane on their first RAW back.




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#8 Posted on
-First of all, Triple H didn't have an above average build when he came in. Average at best, go back and watch Summerslam 95, and he doesn't look anymore impressive than Bob Holly.

-In the Second paragraph, he embraces the girl fight method "Your just jealous! Biiitch" Next, he could have told the entire Internet fan base "To talk to the hand." Hey...he could at least be consistent. And no, my disdain of Hunter isn't due to some unconscience desire to bury my own insecurities. At least, I'd like to think it's not.

Being somewhat serious, no one has said that Triple didn't bust his ass to get where he is. But there are 20 other guys who are busting there ass as well, they are jerking the curtain. An other guy who busted there ass, Mick Foley, is a major reason why Triple H got into the spot he is in. Maybe it's time Hinter gave back to the community?

- Free cookies to anyone who can figure out the time period he is referring to in that last paragraph!



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#9 Posted on
I might care if I can remember if Bradshaw ever acheived anything outside of "opening match babyface who gets an apathetic pop".

And I thought Triple H said he doesn't care what the internet says about him in an interview a few weeks ago? Add onto that what Vince said about the internet a year ago and how it doesn't matter. If they don't care, why does Bradshaw care? Nice to see the WWE is keeping the good ol' double standard alive.

If Vince REALLY wants to make us crack, he should make BENOIT write one of these "the internet sucks" columns.




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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkmatcher

    Look at the facts. Triple H was here when Steve Austin was out injured, The Rock was making movies and Undertaker was hurt. Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle weren't here yet; Kane was also injured during this time. So Triple H had to carry the ball in a very hard spot, and he did a great job. He was the whole show several times, because he was the only one at the time capable of doing it. So those of you who have written bad things, keep writing. You guys love to be negative, but at least be honest about the facts.





My, oh my. So many words used in the past tense. I'll agree, 2000-2001 WAS Triple H's prime. He WAS awesome then. He DID carry the ball in a very hard spot. He kept the company alive while Austin was out injured and Rock was doing movies (which I believe are two different time frames, aren't they? Since Austin/HHH were doing the whole Power Trip thing while Rock was filming his movie/s).

Bradshaw says nothing about HHH as of late. Post quad-tear injury HHH. Snoozefest HHH. HHH is not as entertaining as he was. It's the same ol' stuff from him.

Really, what HHH needs is a break from the ring. Do I still think he can be entertaining? Yes. But he needs to be taken down a few notches first.

Are Booker T., Jericho, and RVD not busting ass? They (and I think more of a mix of a combo of those 3 with other people, hey maybe even HHH if he actually put 'em over) could carry the proverbial ball. They've all got themselves over with the crowd. But their overness has been neutured by them continuously getting buried and not used properly.

*end rant*




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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    It's all about the game and how you play it.

    At least Bradshaw knows where his bread is buttered...



Okay, so Bradshaw is only saying positive things about HHH to protect his job? Then what about Raven? He has no reason to worry about what the WWE thinks of him and didn't seem to care when he did have reason, yet he also said that if he was given control of the WWE, HHH would still be the main event. Oh, and Edge said positive things about HHH in his column this week as well, so we should all take a moment to attack him as well.
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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by InVerse



    Okay, so Bradshaw is only saying positive things about HHH to protect his job? Then what about Raven? He has no reason to worry about what the WWE thinks of him and didn't seem to care when he did have reason, yet he also said that if he was given control of the WWE, HHH would still be the main event. Oh, and Edge said positive things about HHH in his column this week as well, so we should all take a moment to attack him as well.



Well, like I just said before, I think HHH can still be a player but the way they're using him now is just ridiculous and stupid which is what's getting him all this heat from the IWC. HHH, I think will always be a marketable person because he can be intense when he wants to and he's got star power. But all this lack of him actually making his opponents look good is just shitty. He's supposed to be a heel. That's the heel's job, make the face look good. I didn't see RVD coming out looking like a million bucks after Unforgiven (was it?). They could've capitalized too with Steiner but I think that feud was also booked pretty badly. Speaking of books, Booker T., that whole thing was a complete joke. I don't know though, I may partly blame Goldberg for the Booker fiasco if the rumors were true that HHH lobbied against the decision to give Booker the belt so that he could instead drop it to Goldberg.

Blame the bookers and writers maybe for all the crap? HHH does wield some seniority power. He could've vetoed those things, instead, he continues to be a total suckfest and he doesn't even know it. I swear, he must have the idea still instilled in the head that he is the best thing going right now. And he's fighting to keep that spot. If he could get over himself, and try to build up the lower guys as well, he sets a good example to the locker room, new stars are born, fans and WWE executives alike will praise him for his contributions.

I'm not saying HHH job to everybody. I just think they need to change things up abit.





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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by InVerse

      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      It's all about the game and how you play it.

      At least Bradshaw knows where his bread is buttered...



    Okay, so Bradshaw is only saying positive things about HHH to protect his job? Then what about Raven? He has no reason to worry about what the WWE thinks of him and didn't seem to care when he did have reason, yet he also said that if he was given control of the WWE, HHH would still be the main event. Oh, and Edge said positive things about HHH in his column this week as well, so we should all take a moment to attack him as well.



You mean to say that Bradshaw actually had a legitimate argument in his writing? With all of the fuzzy logic that guy has, it's the only possible explaination, aside from sheer stupidity.

Raven has a great mind for wrestling and I tend to agree with his philosophy in general. I do think that HHH could be a great heel at the top of the card, ala Ted DiBiase, but the current use of him by Vince McMahon as "God of All Wrestling, Who Transcends Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair" is totally wrong and is repelling viewers.

I haven't read the Edge thing yet, so I won't comment on that until I read it. Either way, Edge's commentary couldn't possibly be filled with as many holes...


Firstly, Bradshaw starts out with a surface-level argument about how magnificent HHH's body is. What the hell does that have to do with drawing money? Did HHH have a great body when he entered WWE 8 years ago? I guess so, but that doesn't have anything to do with the criticisms people have of him.

Secondly, he goes on to say that HHH has worked his ass off to succeed in this business while implying the reader can't say the same for his or her life. I wonder if he was referring to other workers in the back, and not 'Net fans, because that's the only audience I could possibly see that statement as applying to. Most of us on the 'Net don't work in the wrestling business and work for different companies with completely different internal structures, and how the hell does he know we're not successful at what we do in the real world? Because we post random crap on the Internet? What if we're just so successful that we have enough time to do that?

The fact is, we're the ones with the money your company wants, Bradshaw. If we don't pay to see HHH, it generally means we don't like HHH, and it means your company has to demote him or alter his use in some way. Your company doesn't listen to nor cater to its primary source of income despite its claims to, apparently. Criticism of the fans will only hurt your business, so stop defending your product and change it because we're telling you to. This is America, this is capitalism, and it's the system you have wholeheartedly defended in the past.

Who in WWE doesn't work their ass off?

Thirdly, let's look at Bradshaw's claims when matched up against the facts...

HHH was there when Steve Austin was out injured, but The Rock was very much around. I'll give Bradshaw the benefit of the doubt and take "Benoit, Lesnar, Angle, and Jericho aren't here yet" to imply that they weren't in the WWE Main Event scene rather than actually in WWE. Even then, Jericho could have been elevated at the time and there was other talent surrounding HHH & Rock in 2000, namely Angle who came up around SummerSlam... sort of.

HHH was never the "whole show" until 2002 and, when he was, nobody liked it.

Just the mere fact that Edge and Bradshaw have to write columns defending HHH and HHH's own acknowledgement of it in an interview are indications that WWE knows about the problems fans have with HHH. And their way of acknowleding it is by lashing out against the fans (the ones they're supposed to be catering TO). That says a lot.

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#14 Posted on
This is the extent of how much Triple H was mentioned in Edge's column this week. Edge is simply listing wrestlers that he'd want to work singles programs with upon his return.



    I can hear the Internet booing now. You know what I say? Screw that. I know Hunter and I could put on a hell of a match and program together, and
    we've never done it. He'd give me time to sell properly, and more than anyone else right now, I'd like to face him.



I'd hardly call that a full-fledged defense.



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#15 Posted on
I never thought I'd be quoting Goldberg, but to paraphrase him (since I dont remember the exact words)

-I dont care if they boo, they paid their hard earned money to be entertained-

Thats what people like Bradshaw and HHH dont realize. We are paying their salary, so they better start giving a damn about what we say.



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#16 Posted on
"Look at the facts. Triple H was here when Steve Austin was out injured, The Rock was making movies and Undertaker was hurt. Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle weren't here yet; Kane was also injured during this time. So Triple H had to carry the ball in a very hard spot, and he did a great job. He was the whole show several times, because he was the only one at the time capable of doing it. So those of you who have written bad things, keep writing. You guys love to be negative, but at least be honest about the facts."

Well, in May of 2000, The Rock missed one week of Raw due to him shooting scenes for "The Mummy Returns". However, Kane was still competing at that time, and Benoit, Jericho and Angle were mid-carders during that period. Also, that was after Jericho's "win" over HHH.

So Bradshaw is to quote Bugs Bunny, "a maroon."




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#17 Posted on
I always enjoy the 'We Hate The Internet' articles by the WWF/E. I don't think I remember another company that consistently goes out of its way to antagonize a portion of its fan base. Considering the overall fan base has dropped more than half in the past 2 years, you'd think eventually someone in marketing would realize 'Lets at least humor this part of the fan base, instead of telling them to go fuck themselves.'



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#18 Posted on
So are we all suppose to be mad at this? Are we all to assume this is a shot at all of us? Do we all think as a group, just because somebody came up with this stupid 'IWC' term?

Sorry, but I like to keep my individuality. There is no singular 'IWC' thought on anything. Not everyone has a vendetta against Triple H. There are people who actually like Triple H and don't like Chris Benoit, even those with internet access! And there are those who only like Benoit, and no one else. There are people who like anything but WWE. There are people who like only WWE. Hell, somewhere in this vast world, there is someone on the internet who actually likes The Big Boss Man. Different strokes for different folks.

So if you actually wrote something about Triple H or something, and want to take this personally, go right ahead. But don't drag everyone else into this, who may or may not be offended. Personally, I could care less about what Bradshaw has to say. I'm not going to get mad or offended over it. But then again, I don't have anything against Triple H either, and I still think he his a decent performer, so what do I know.
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    So are we all suppose to be mad at this? Are we all to assume this is a shot at all of us? Do we all think as a group, just because somebody came up with this stupid 'IWC' term?

    Sorry, but I like to keep my individuality. There is no singular 'IWC' thought on anything. Not everyone has a vendetta against Triple H. There are people who actually like Triple H and don't like Chris Benoit, even those with internet access! There are people who like anything but WWE. There are people who like only WWE. Hell, somewhere in this vast world, there is someone on the internet who actually likes The Big Boss Man. Different strokes for different folks.




I like to have my cake and eat it too, because I can. I do enjoy HHH (in very perverted ways), but I also really LOVE Benoit's stuff. I do watch WWE, but I've been watching the indies too, and I'm just starting to scope out the Japanese stuff. Diversification is the spice of life, people! Anyway, read the article, and you know, this whole bashing thing is sooo old, so I hardly talk about it. I just bash stuff that doesn't excite or entertain me, like Test, and Nash, and Torrie, and Steiner, and Show, and Josh Matthews, and.... Well you get the idea.

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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by dskillz
    The fact is that after the split, Smackdown has consistently been the better show.


Actually the fact is that the Raw ratings now are about the same as when HHH was handed the belt. Smackdowns ratings have followed a similar pattern of holding steady in that period. Just because you think it is the better chow does not necessarily make it so.


The fact is that HHH has been fed star after star in an attempt to get him to draw some money and it has not worked.


The fact is that HHH has had to work with 'stars' who were either not established main eventers (RVD,Booker) or 'stars' whose ring work borders on the abysmal (Kane, Steiner). In spite of behaving as a heel should and only winning through interference or retaining his belt through DQ, these 'stars' failed to get over. HHH has to accept some of the blame for that, but so do his opponents. Realistically I'd only see Booker as a bona fide main eventer in there and with him being considerably older than HHH and with the arrival of Goldberg, I can understand why he wasnt given the belt.


The fact is that his segments have been lower that others during RAW accept if he is in a title match in which viewers are foolish enough to think he is going to lose the match.


What crud. Yes the Rocks segment prior to Backlash scored much higher than anything else in the show, but generally speaking there has been a spike between hours one and two suggesting that people were interested in the main event. Example, this week Raw jumped from a 3.9 to a 4.1 which aint bad considering a lot of people would have tuned in early to catch the Backlash results. And no that jump isnt just explained by the return os SCSA because most people wouldn't have known that was gonna happen.


The fact is that even when he lost the title to HBK, RAW was still centered around him.


And the fact is that since the return of SCSA and the Rock, HHH was willing to drop down to about the 3rd most important feud at WM (HBK/Y2J was also given a far better build) in spite of being the champion.


I guess I could keep going on and on about the true facts


Or better still start talking about the true facts.


I seriously think Bradshaw is kissing ass and hoping that it translates into APA returning to defeat RVD and Kane on their first RAW back.


And see thats the problem. If anyone (Edge, Bradshaw, Raven, Angle etc.) ever says anything good about HHH we're told its because they're protecting their job. Anyone says anything bad its gospel and nothing to do with the fact that that person might want his place at the top of the card.



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