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Since: 4.9.02
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#1 Posted on
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

With the controversy surrounding Michael Moore's recent comments and the announcement of his new movie "Farenheit 911" just wondering if anyone had read this.

Any thoughts on the link above? Is it more or less factual than Michael Moore? I agree with most of the material in it because I once did a research paper on the factual innaccuracies of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE and how it broke all the rules the Oscar Academy had previously set for documentaries yet it still gets an award. However, my biggest thing about Bowling for columbine after I first saw it, for a movie that condemns the media and states how it helps create the fear, mistrust, and violence in our society the movie itself sure does embrace that condemnation quite a bit.

Most of all, I think Moore does most of what he does because its expected of him and he doesn't believe most of the bullshit he spews.



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ahem.. let me say that I am a huge Michale Moore mark, so my opinion is heavily skewed. That being said, I have no clue what you are talking about. I don't know what the rules are for Documentaries in the Academy section perhaps the South Park skit where they used animation or something along those lines then I guess it did. If its because the movie made money or the fact that it isn't objective then tough. I have never seen a documentary be objective, you can try to portray two sides of the argument the best you can, but eventually the artist decides what comes out the strongest.

If those are the rules for documentaries then it should be disqualified and moved into the spot it should have been in ie Best Picture. There it can beat out the crappy Chicago and take away from the Hours spot for best Vagina-film. I honestly believe that Columbine was the best picture last year I was on the edge of my seat through the entire thing and I can't even say that about Two Towers.

Better yet, we can appease the Charleton Heston crowd by giving Gladiator best picture even though they bastardized Roman history even though Traffic had a point to it and Hidden Dragon was incrediable. Of course, we might have to disqualify Crouching Tiger, because is a forgein movie that made money and call it Freedom Dragon, Bomb Arabs to get in the all- American Best Picture category. I could be wrong though.

The problem, I have with your entire article is not the research you did which looks to be right for the most part. Its the fact that at the end even Michael Moore doesn't know why those kids got killed at Columbine and you have completely missed that. Does the NRA something to do with or the fact they did show up in Denver after Columbine show their pure shelfish nature, yes. Are the sole reason? No. Did Clinton bomibing Bosnia have something to do with it, probably not, but its a theory. Does the American media and its past portrayl of guns and violence lead to an atmopshere of fear, crime and a sense of always being a victium and not having the balls to say, hey enough is enough and its time for a change, yes, but thats not even the answer. The answer is lost on us, the victiums, the victiums' family and even the director. Moore put some theories out there from the small things like Lockeheed to slavery to get us to think.

In the end, you have two types of documentaries, people who show a lot of pictures, interview some witnesses and narrate. Those people are historians and its true, its damn true and have no business bitching about documentaries. The other type are people who go out in the thick of things and show events as they are with the people who are affected by it the most. They have a certain story they would like to tell or see, but the good ones and even great ones decide to follow the story and their gut and the story leads them. If you watch any good documentary you will see the artist asking a question and then at the end not even know if it had been answered, but there is a sense of knowledge that has been past by the experience of it.

A Fan- IF the academy wants to take his oscar away from something like that fine. Then, Best Picture should say Best Adapted Picture or Best Original Picture or I want a shit ton of oscars back as well including Gladiator.
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A fan, thanks for your opinion, but geez calm down...First off that article wasn't mine. Second, what the hell did Charleton Heston have to do with Gladiator? You sound pretty bitter about it.

Anway, a while ago, Michael Moore made a movie called Roger and Me, the reason why it was NOT nominated for an academy award was thus, “chronology was significantly changed to fit the narrative,” according to National Public Radio. Now, as the link above clearly states, many scenes and events in the film were heavily edited and cut together. You can't just walk into a bank, open an account and get a gun like the film makes it look. Charleton Heston didn't have an NRA rally in Michigan right after that little girl was shot.

In the contra costa times Moore said thus, “I always assume that only 10 to 20 percent of people who read my books or see my films will take the facts and hard-core analysis and do something with it. If I can bring the other 80 percent to it through entertainment and comedy, then some of it will trickle through.” I think that's the problem. Moore is proclaiming he lives in non-fiction and crap like that, but people are accepting what's shown in his movies as truth...and the demonization of Charleton Heston was wrong, and he isn't an insensitive, racist, repulsive bastard that the movie painted him as, and how everyone makes him out to be now. That's a fact.

with all do respect to moore, the only award his film was deserving of was best film editing then again, cowboy bebop will be the only movie this year deserving of best picture...so of course it won't win :)



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Oh, and Columbine was the parents of the shooters faults, we all know and have known that.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by The Vile1
    with all do respect to moore, the only award his film was deserving of was best film editing

It's a shame there isn't an award for best adaptation from fiction...



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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan


    The problem, I have with your entire article is not the research you did which looks to be right for the most part. Its the fact that at the end even Michael Moore doesn't know why those kids got killed at Columbine and you have completely missed that. Does the NRA something to do with or the fact they did show up in Denver after Columbine show their pure shelfish nature, yes. Are the sole reason? No. Did Clinton bomibing Bosnia have something to do with it, probably not, but its a theory. Does the American media and its past portrayl of guns and violence lead to an atmopshere of fear, crime and a sense of always being a victium and not having the balls to say, hey enough is enough and its time for a change, yes, but thats not even the answer. The answer is lost on us, the victiums, the victiums' family and even the director. Moore put some theories out there from the small things like Lockeheed to slavery to get us to think.




I've always thought that the two killers had something to do with why those kids got killed. Guess I was wrong.

(And it appears that some people take the Oscars way too seriously.)

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Just something I want to add to this thread. if we blame the media for violence and fear in America, shouldn't you also be able to blame movies, music, and literature? I mean technically music, film, and tv programs are forms of media right?

Ok, about the NRA being in columbine. That event was already scheduled, they didn't go to columbine because of the shootings. and according to the link above:

"At Denver, the NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members' meeting; that could not be cancelled because corporate law required that it be held. [No way to change location, since you have to give advance notice of that to the members, and there were upwards of 4,000,000 members."

http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html

that's a link to how the speech after columbine appeared in the movie next to the supposedly real speech in Denver after the shootings. The last paragraph is thus:

"One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile towards us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So, let us be mindful. The eyes of the nation are upon us today."

that's some irony right there.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
Another article on Bowling for Columbine. Reaches essentially the same conclusion as the first one, and it's written by Andy Ihnatko.



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#9 Posted on
Whether you agree with Moore's views or not, you can't deny that a whole lot of people are going to see this Farenheight 911 movie out of sheer morbid curiosity.




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