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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
CBS Sportsline is saying Bobby Bowden is goin to announce his retirement tomorrow.
http://www.cbssports.com/

Here's ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701625
It looks like he was pushed out. I think someone of his stature should choose to go out the way he wants.



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He did choose to go out this way. He could have left years ago. I have no sympathy but I will miss his post game press conferences and I will miss having Florida State to dislike because they are no longer going to be close to what they were 10 years ago. You can't dislike programs that don't mean anything unless your school's a rival with them. I don't dislike Clemson, for instance.



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Sorry, but this will make FSU better. A new defensive staff, Jimbo in control and young energetic coaches will make a big impact. Next year may be only a little better, with changing to a 3-4 and needing a few more recruits on D and a crazy tough schedule but As sad as I am that he's gone this will lead to them being a contender again.
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If Florida State was still getting 9 plus win seasons and getting to ACC Title games, then there would be a case that Bowden should get to choose how he leaves. When the team becomes and afterthought in the ACC then perhaps the game has passed him by.
Should Bobby not take the UAB job, does this mean Paterno looks to leave soon, as he'd have the win slot clinched, regardless of whether Bowden loses the wins from a few years ago?
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I had kinda wondered that as well, if Joe Pa may want to go ahead and step aside now while he's still winning rather than chance ending up like Bowden. Though really Bobby could have kept winning had he let Micky retire a couple years ago and brought in a new defensive staff. To me the offense is already back near what it was(with Ponder of course and hopefully EJ in time), it's the defense that pulled them down this year. Joe Pa made the changes he had to while Bobby resisted.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Sorry, but this will make FSU better. A new defensive staff, Jimbo in control and young energetic coaches will make a big impact. Next year may be only a little better, with changing to a 3-4 and needing a few more recruits on D and a crazy tough schedule but As sad as I am that he's gone this will lead to them being a contender again.


So they'll be.. Clemson.



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Bowden was FSU. I am sure Jimbo could be a good coach, but the reality is no one knows Jimbo and they are now the fourth best team in the state of Florida as far as recruiting goes now.
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USF winning one game hasn't caused one recruit to pick them over FSU as of yet. It'll take more than that to swing recruiting in their favor, FSU still has tradition and history on it's side and Jimbo is a great recruiter(remember they stole Greg Reid from UF two weeks before signing day...that was Jimbo)

Anxious to see who the D coaches will be. Most say Sunseri, with Tbuck being one of the few who remain from this staff.
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The one thing I don't like from all this is that the Gator Bowl is now pulling strings to take FSU, since it'll be Bowden's last game, and pit them against West Virginia.

1. Devine will carve up this defense

2. FSU didn't earn a New Years Day bowl.

3. The Gator snubbed FSU for a lesser team last year, so why reward them with what would be a sellout this year?

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    The one thing I don't like from all this is that the Gator Bowl is now pulling strings to take FSU, since it'll be Bowden's last game, and pit them against West Virginia.

    1. Devine will carve up this defense

    2. FSU didn't earn a New Years Day bowl.

    3. The Gator snubbed FSU for a lesser team last year, so why reward them with what would be a sellout this year?









I thought the ACC's 'Boston College got screwed over rule' only allowed the bowls to go 1 place further down to reach for a team. Now, I know rule and bowls mean absolutely nothing, but, a 6-6 team in a mid-upper tier bowl does make a joke of the system.
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Yes, that is what the rule says, but the Gator is working to get the OK from the conference and other bowls and apparently they are very confident they will get it, if he retires.
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After seeing the Florida-Florida State game, it was clear that Bowden had to leave. Florida in every single position on the field had far superior talent. Bowden was a great coach but it's time for him to move on.

Joe Pa at Penn State isn't really the coach of anything, he's just a figurehead at this point in time. Myself, I think a ** should be put after his victories for the past few years.
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I keep hearing that the talent level of Florida is better at every position, and I know I'm a homer, but please. Ponder had a better year than Tebow, FSU has some great WR's and RB's and the offensive line is as good as it gets. On defense, sure, they have issues. But they've also got Reid, McDaniel and Bradham who would start for Florida so the talent level isn't THAT off.

It was mostly that they had to start a freshman QB and the defensive coaching isn't what it was.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Ponder had a better year than Tebow


HAHAHAHA! Yes, you are a homer.

Ponder: 227-330, 2717 yds, 8.3 yds/att, 14 TD, 7 INT, 147.7 rating; 179 yds rushing, 2 TDs

Tebow: 162-244, 2166 yds, 8.9 yds/att, 17 TD, 4 INT, 160.7 rating; 796 yds rushing, 13 TDs

I'm assuming yours is the only universe in which Ponder could have been considered to have had a better season than Tebow. Of course, Ponder's probably going to be invited to the Downtown Athletic Club in your universe as well.
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Let's not forget Tebow's numbers are inflated cause he's played three games more than Ponder too. Ponder was absolutly having a better year until his injury, and four of his INT's came after getting hurt. And he WAS starting to get Heisman talk back then too.

Course then came the injuries and the Clemson game and that's over, but yes he was having a better year than Tebow. I didn't say it was a slam dunk case, but it's not crazy talk either.

Edit: Stats for both from before the injury:

Ponder 206-297, 2453 yards, 13 TD, 3 INT
Tebow 99/153, 1323 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT


(edited by wmatistic on 2.12.09 0554)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.47
Sooooo.....
Ponder having a better season than Tebow until his injury = Ponder HAD a better season than Tebow.

Gotcha. If you could pass along whatever you're smoking, I'd love some. Thanks.
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Excuse me for not quantifying it with "up until his injury" in my original post.

Clearly I had no case to make whatsoever and must be high and you throwing in the stats with three extra games worth for Tebow was a valid comparison. My apologies.

(edited by wmatistic on 2.12.09 0634)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Excuse me for not quantifying it with "up until his injury" in my original post.
How DARE we rely on arbitrary definitions of complex words like "year!"



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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      Excuse me for not quantifying it with "up until his injury" in my original post.
    How DARE we rely on arbitrary definitions of complex words like "year!"


And ignore the games played difference by doing so?

I don't know, how?
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by wmatistic
        Excuse me for not quantifying it with "up until his injury" in my original post.
      How DARE we rely on arbitrary definitions of complex words like "year!"


    And ignore the games played difference by doing so?

    I don't know, how?


By putting in the original post "Ponder was having a better year than Tebow until the injury"? The only advantages Ponder has over Tebow, stats-wise, are completions, completion percentage (Ponder 68.8%, Tebow 66.4%) and total passing yards. Fewer passing touchdowns, lower rating, more INTs, lower yards/attempt... sure, a bunch of that could be written off to missed games (hardly a trivial point) but you didn't claim that. Leaving out "up until his injury" IS ignoring the difference in games played.





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