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Since: 11.7.02
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Wait a sec: I thought that Democrats thought that secessionists were evil?

Shithead....

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Can we Democrats be your next province?
By PAUL LEWIS
Monday, September 22, 2003 - Page A17

Having endured the outrages of the 2000 presidential "election" and the 9/11-empowered Republicans' reactionary policies, progressive Democrats, Greens and Independents across the United States are smouldering. Especially in the 20 states that went for Al Gore in the Northeast, Midwest, and West, more and more of us are appalled by the combination of dishonest rhetoric, regressive tax giveaways, international adventurism, environmental degradation and unprecedented arrogance spewing from the President and his congressional cohorts.

We look to Washington and hear -- rather than solutions for pressing problems -- little but sound bites and lies, the all-too-familiar litany about weapon-finding, children leaving, job growing, tax cutting, Arctic drilling, missile defending, and terrorist hunting.

In stunned disbelief, we have signed petitions, given money to progressive causes, and joined street protests. But arghhh! and aarghhh! again, many of us have had it. We're fed up and need to move on -- or out. But where to go?

A map of the state-by-state voting in 2000 suggests the obvious answer. With the anomalous and proud exception of New Mexico, Gore states are contiguous either to Canada or to other Gore states. In the most peaceful and democratic way, without invoking images of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, these states need to secede from the Union, reform into provinces and join Canada.

As soon as one considers the idea, the advantages become obvious. Citizens of the new Canadian provinces would enjoy basic entitlements and benefits unheard of in the U.S., including: universal health care; good and affordable colleges and universities; good mass transit in major cities; lower rates of violent crime and pollution; affordable prescription drugs; and enhanced respect for the civil rights of all people, including gays and lesbians.

And this is just the beginning. Imagine the efficiencies of scale that will result from combining several states, with their redundant and quarrelsome governments, into single provinces. Through a process of state-by-state referendums, California, Oregon and Washington could reform into Naturia; New England (minus the odious New Hampshire) could reform into Nontario; Wisconsin, Minnesota,

Iowa, Michigan, and Illinois could become Coolcentria; while the eastern states between New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., could become

Atlantica.

The fact that the U.S. capital had the good sense to back Al Gore and will, thus, need to join Canada under this plan is, admittedly, an awkward detail in need of negotiation. No doubt the Bush diplomats who are making such impressive progress on an Israeli-Palestinian deal will be able to apply what they've learned in solving the Jerusalem dilemma to this problem.

Alluding to the Middle East reminds us of one of the greatest benefits of joining Canada, a nation that has far fewer enemies than the United States. After declaring their affiliation with a country that respects the United Nations Charter, the newly created provinces would be far less likely to draw the wrath of international terrorists.

On purely aesthetic grounds, the benefits are enormous. We new Canadians will (shortly) acquire a national leader capable of producing coherent sentences in at least two languages. We will leave behind a U.S. composed of increasingly polluted semi-tropical and desert states inhabited by citizens hell-bent on posting the Ten Commandments in public washrooms, installing a Star Wars defence system around fast-food restaurants, and generally doing what they can to bring on the Apocalypse. Meanwhile, we new Canadians will look north to vast, undeveloped lands where animals roam and cool breezes waft down from the Arctic. Henceforth, our musically challenged children will sing not the incomprehensible and operatic Star Spangled Banner but the rousing anthem O Canada.

And just imagine what it will be like not to wake up every morning to the news that your federal government has subverted another international treaty, undermined another environmental protection, given another tax refund to the wealthy or invaded another defenceless country. To be citizens once more of a nation at peace with the world and committed to social justice and environmental conservation.

Ah, America.

O, Canada!

Paul Lewis, a professor of English at Boston College, teaches courses on American literature and culture.




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Since: 16.4.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.87
    Originally posted by that Boston College egghead
    Wisconsin...could become Coolcentria...


Four words: OVER MY DEAD BODY.


    Originally posted by that Boston College egghead
    We new Canadians will (shortly) acquire a national leader capable of producing coherent sentences in at least two languages. We will leave behind a U.S. composed of increasingly polluted semi-tropical and desert states inhabited by citizens hell-bent on posting the Ten Commandments in public washrooms, installing a Star Wars defence system around fast-food restaurants, and generally doing what they can to bring on the Apocalypse. Meanwhile, we new Canadians will look north to vast, undeveloped lands where animals roam and cool breezes waft down from the Arctic. Henceforth, our musically challenged children will sing not the incomprehensible and operatic Star Spangled Banner but the rousing anthem O Canada.

    And just imagine what it will be like not to wake up every morning to the news that your federal government has subverted another international treaty, undermined another environmental protection, given another tax refund to the wealthy or invaded another defenceless country. To be citizens once more of a nation at peace with the world and committed to social justice and environmental conservation


Boy, if there was ever a justification for the phrase "America: Love It Or Leave It," this sh*thead is the living embodiment of it. Feel free to make a run "up nort" for the border, pal. And stay there.

Grimis, howzabout you n' me in a handicap match against this egghead?



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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that article might have been tounge-in-cheek.



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that article might have been tounge-in-cheek.

I honestly hope so. But generally when you put something to print like this knowing the kind of reaction you'll get, I'd think that he honestly believes it.



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Just remember, the Democratic Party is 0-1 at secession in their history. Funny how he wants to keep from rousing up images of former Democratic Senator Jefferson Davis though.




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-lmao-

Geez, you don't think he was KIDDING, do you?

Wow.....talk about reactionary.



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Of course he is kidding, if by kidding we mean that this is not a serious effort to get states to join Canada. Still, he didn't write the article just to be funny, he was trying to make a point. And it seems that the overriding theme is U.S. sucks, Canada is better.

In which case, it would seem to be a pretty easy thing to move, if he really thinks its that bad here (and that good there). I'm not a big "love it or leave it" person, but I hate to seem somebody suffer like he seems to be. Why put yourself through such torture, especially when paradise is so close?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by ges7184
    Why put yourself through such torture, especially when paradise is so close?

Yeah, he can fly to Toronto then on to Cuba where he probably really wants to be...



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    Originally posted by ges7184
    Of course he is kidding, if by kidding we mean that this is not a serious effort to get states to join Canada. Still, he didn't write the article just to be funny, he was trying to make a point. And it seems that the overriding theme is U.S. sucks, Canada is better.

    In which case, it would seem to be a pretty easy thing to move, if he really thinks its that bad here (and that good there). I'm not a big "love it or leave it" person, but I hate to seem somebody suffer like he seems to be. Why put yourself through such torture, especially when paradise is so close?

Actually moving is extremely difficult for the average person. There really is very little choice for most of us but to live in the country to which we were born unless we have an extremely valuable skill or a great deal of money. There really is no reasonable "Leave It" option, rather just "America: Love It....or Deal With It" Which to me is a shame. I can understand not wanting to open up immigration for fear millions of people will come and do all the nasty things that we say immigrants do. But hell, couldn't we at least have like G7 living rights or something, or NAFTA/EU rights? Would there really be a huge exodus of Norwegians trying to come here?



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    Boy, if there was ever a justification for the phrase "America: Love It Or Leave It," this sh*thead is the living embodiment of it.


Look, if you couldn't figure out by "Coolcentria" that he was joking, I can only presume that you also think Jonathan Swift really ate babies.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by ges7184
      Why put yourself through such torture, especially when paradise is so close?

    Yeah, he can fly to Toronto then on to Cuba where he probably really wants to be...


Wow, Red baiting - I haven't seen that in a while. I'd bet Paul Lewis doesn't want to move to Cuba as badly as you want to move to the 1950's.



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Since: 25.6.03
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I know that silly little mouthbreather from B.C. was just kidding, but maybe this a**hole would actually like to follow through on those plans. I sincerely wish him the best:

From the Detroit Free Press

In Windsor to receive the Christian Culture Gold Medal from Assumption University recently, the man who has made America safe and prosperous -- at least on TV -- said he was "proud" of Canada for not entering the Iraq war.

"Every time I cross this border I feel like I've left the land of lunatics," said Martin Sheen, the president on "West Wing." "You are not armed and dangerous. You do not shoot each other. I always feel a bit more human when I come here." Maybe he won at Casino Windsor, too . . .



(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 24.9.03 1303)
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Wow, Red baiting - I haven't seen that in a while. I'd bet Paul Lewis doesn't want to move to Cuba as badly as you want to move to the 1950's.

What's for me in the 50's? Taxes were higher, no internet to disperse multiple viewpoints of the news, no ESPN. What's there?

    Originally posted by Leroy
    Every time I cross this border I feel like I've left the land of lunatics," said Martin Sheen, the president on "West Wing."

Shame that when he crosses he brings one more to Canada.



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    Originally posted by Grimis
    What's for me in the 50's? Taxes were higher, no internet to disperse multiple viewpoints of the news, no ESPN. What's there?


Well, there's the Cold War, the Blacklist, etc. And the Cuban missle crisis and Bay of Pigs invasion are just around the corner. Not to mention the execution of the Rosenbergs. Plenty to do to keep you busy.

And Vietnam is just starting - and the whole purpose of that was to "stop Communist aggression". You might not miss the internet or ESPN at all....





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With the anomalous and proud exception of New Mexico, Gore states are contiguous either to Canada or to other Gore states

This is a fairly silly argument, considering that all Bush states (no exceptions neither) also are contiguous to Canada or to other Bush states. He also forgot about Hawaii.

Citizens of the new Canadian provinces would enjoy basic entitlements and benefits unheard of in the U.S., including: universal health care; good and affordable colleges and universities; good mass transit in major cities lower rates of violent crime and pollution; affordable prescription drugs; and enhanced respect for the civil rights of all people, including gays and lesbians.

This man has obviously never been to Toronto. Montreal's OK for mass transit though. Boston probably actually has both of them beat, so I don't know what he's complaining about. The rest of the list is spot on though.


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by ges7184
      Of course he is kidding, if by kidding we mean that this is not a serious effort to get states to join Canada. Still, he didn't write the article just to be funny, he was trying to make a point. And it seems that the overriding theme is U.S. sucks, Canada is better.

      In which case, it would seem to be a pretty easy thing to move, if he really thinks its that bad here (and that good there). I'm not a big "love it or leave it" person, but I hate to seem somebody suffer like he seems to be. Why put yourself through such torture, especially when paradise is so close?

    Actually moving is extremely difficult for the average person. There really is very little choice for most of us but to live in the country to which we were born unless we have an extremely valuable skill or a great deal of money. There really is no reasonable "Leave It" option, rather just "America: Love It....or Deal With It" Which to me is a shame. I can understand not wanting to open up immigration for fear millions of people will come and do all the nasty things that we say immigrants do. But hell, couldn't we at least have like G7 living rights or something, or NAFTA/EU rights? Would there really be a huge exodus of Norwegians trying to come here?


Wouldn't getting into Canada have more to do with Canadian rules of immigration than ours, or am I missing something? Just a brief check on some of the rules, if the guy could line up a job teaching or something, he just might have a shot. He'll never know if he doesn't try. It's at least worth a shot. And if it really bad enough, and it just might be, he can always go for the illegal route.



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    Originally posted by ges7184
    Wouldn't getting into Canada have more to do with Canadian rules of immigration than ours, or am I missing something? Just a brief check on some of the rules, if the guy could line up a job teaching or something, he just might have a shot. He'll never know if he doesn't try. It's at least worth a shot. And if it really bad enough, and it just might be, he can always go for the illegal route.

Yes it does. I was lamenting immigration throughout the entire world re: the effacy of people being able to live in places where their views are more mainstream. It's a shame that a lefty like me can't go live happily in Stockholm or Amsterdam, and Sven Grimis, long lost Swedish cousin of our Grimis, could come here and make his fortune in the low-tax land of opportunity.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by spf2119
    Yes it does. I was lamenting immigration throughout the entire world re: the effacy of people being able to live in places where their views are more mainstream. It's a shame that a lefty like me can't go live happily in Stockholm or Amsterdam, and Sven Grimis, long lost Swedish cousin of our Grimis, could come here and make his fortune in the low-tax land of opportunity.

I think it goes beyond immigration laws though. Imagine you could pick up and move to a leftist utopia. Would it make you happy? I would probably say no that because what would truly make you happy would be seeing your views implemented at home. You would share little, if any, culture and history in this new land.

Of course, millions come to the US every year irregardless of cultural or language barriers, so maybe this is something that's not as important as I have stated.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.17
    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by spf2119
      Yes it does. I was lamenting immigration throughout the entire world re: the effacy of people being able to live in places where their views are more mainstream. It's a shame that a lefty like me can't go live happily in Stockholm or Amsterdam, and Sven Grimis, long lost Swedish cousin of our Grimis, could come here and make his fortune in the low-tax land of opportunity.

    I think it goes beyond immigration laws though. Imagine you could pick up and move to a leftist utopia. Would it make you happy? I would probably say no that because what would truly make you happy would be seeing your views implemented at home. You would share little, if any, culture and history in this new land.

    Of course, millions come to the US every year irregardless of cultural or language barriers, so maybe this is something that's not as important as I have stated.

It would because to be honest I'm not all that big on the importance of some sort of national identity that at this point we are born into rather than freely chosen. To me the fact that I'm American is kind of like the fact that I was baptized a Catholic. I had no choice in that matter. I was able to leave Catholicism for religious concepts of my own choosing as I grew up. If I had the option realistically to live somewhere else, I might very well consider doing that, but right now the way the world is you're fairly locked in to the country of your birth. And as the trend throughout the western world is further tightening of immigration laws (for quite understandable reasons and fears I will admit) that situation is not likely to change. I do feel though that if there were greater flexibility in terms of how people could define themselves, there would be less internation conflict. We place such immense amounts of importance on an identity which for many of us we had no say in choosing.

So no, if say 5 years from now I had to chance to go spend the rest of my life teaching poetry at Melbourne University, I would consider it very closely, despite the fact that I would be leaving the American culture and history behind. Though really, for an American expat, it's mighty hard to escape this culture wherever you go. The first time I left this country when I got where I was going and first saw a tv set the show that was playing..."Friends".



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