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Since: 31.10.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
So I was an avid comic book reader from 1979 to 1992 (or '93, my memory is a little fuzzy...) and then stopped collecting entirely (the usual: money, girlfriend/wife not approving, trying to act grown up, etc.). I used to read just about everything put out by Marvel and DC, and even picked up a few of the first issues of the Image line. I think the last book I actually bought was the death of superman issue.

But then late last year I found myself just outside of a comic shop not far from my work and entertained the idea of picking up an issue of anything...after hemming and hawing I've begun to buy a random comic here and there. I've really enjoyed Daredevil and 100 Bullets. I also picked up issue #1 of H-E-R-O. I have to admit to kind of liking Ultimate Spiderman and The Incredible Hulk. I have also bought the first two issues of Unstable Molecules and am intrigued by the series.

I want to collect more but DAMN are comic books expensive these days. So I guess why I'm posting this thread is because I'm looking for advice on what books I should spend my hard earned cash on, what books are people really high on? What should I avoid like the plague?




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#2 Posted on
You can't go wrong with Bendis. He's on the aforementioned Ultimate Spider-Man and Daredevil, Alias, and Powers (IMO the best book on the market). Another writer to look out for is Greg Rucka. He's splitting Gotham Central with Ed Brubaker (another fine writer) and writing Queen and Country solo. He'll also be on Wolverine in a few months when they relaunch it from #1. Warren Ellis' Global Frequency is pretty fun, it's a 12 issue miniseries but each issue stands alone, with a different artist each issue. (I think they're up to #8) I suppose that's enough for now.
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I agree with the "can't go wrong with Bendis". Everything he touches turns to awesome. Joe Kelly is a guy who's books i read and enjoyed even though his JLA run is almost scaring me off the title i've read since the beginning. Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Jeph Loeb, Mark Millar (sometimes), and anything John Romita Jr. draws ..these guys are surefire creative winners. A book to avoid...Iron Man. They keep putting on these over-the-hill creators on it that think it's still the 1970's or 80's. If I wanted that i would read Transformers or Battle of the Planets (and i DON'T).



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Brian Michael Bendis [Daredevil, Elektra, Powers, Ultimate Spider-Man...soon to write Ultimate X-Men], J. Michael Stracyznski [Rising Stars, Amazing Spider-Man] and...well, I have a soft spot for Captain America.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

Whew. I thought was going to be a thread about what comics a born again should read.

Not to gratuitiously plug too much, but here are out best of 2002 lists.

http://www.odessasteps.com/page6.html



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
you want Stangers in Paradise.

trust me.




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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by rikidozan
    you want Stangers in Paradise.

    trust me.



Totally agree. I suggest picking up the SiP trade Paperbacks too... I recently got into Strangers and it is damned good.

I also am a big fan of Exiles. I would recommend Agent X, but I have no idea how it is going to be with the new crew. The Bat-books and JLA are also good reads...

While I personally enjoy them at times, I would avoid any of the 80s revival titles. They are good for a few issues, and then just get old fast...



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74
Come on Pool-Boy, you're asking to get banned THIS time, don't do it guy, we'll miss you.

Anyways...

Iron Man under Mike Grell was really good, reminded me why his Green Arrow was far better then Kevin Smiths mediocre run. I have a friend who refuses to buy any comic featuring the Green Arrow until Black Cannary gets raped again.

Captain America, it seems, that no matter who they put on it, will consistantly be good. Interesting direction they are going in. I rather like the fact that people know who he is outside the costume.

The Superman books, I think, have been on a tear recently, decent storys and nice art make for good reads by all.Check out the new DOOM PATROL... quite awesome.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by Cerebus

    Captain America, it seems, that no matter who they put on it, will consistantly be good. Interesting direction they are going in. I rather like the fact that people know who he is outside the costume.



Do you remember Greunwald's 10-year run on the title? Cap-Wolf?

And lest us try and forget Nazi Eagle Cap created by Rb Liefeld. (shudder)

As for SiP, I used to like, but it just never went anywhere. I stopped reading when it went to color at Homage (yes, that long ago).

For straight superhero action, I recommend JSA, Hawkman or Green Arrow (well, until next issue).

For indy books, definitely Blue Monday, Queen and Country, and Hellboy.

For non-categorizable books, Fables is really great and the first trade just came out.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
Jkyle.com says:

MANGA.
Great Teacher Onizuka
Lone Wolf and Cub
Ranma 1/2
4-5 issues for $10 in a sturdier format.

Oh and if you hate right to left reading, Gaiman's Sandman series is in paperback and ruling hard as always.



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#11 Posted on
I'll go with the crowd and say Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man is an obvious choice, ESPECIALLY if you have been out of comics for a while. A fresh take on a character everyone knows...and it doesn't suck.

Astro City used to be good last I knew, but I haven't read it in a while. Is it even still around?

If you're willing to pick up a sizeable chunk of back issues, check out Savage Dragon...issues 1-75 were amazing...they've gotten a little weird since then, but can't go wrong with those first 75 issues.




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#12 Posted on
Astro City just came out with the first issue of a 5 issue, bimonthly miniseries. This is the first new Astro City stuff in (IIRC) close to 2 years due to Kurt Busiek's health problems. But you definately can't go wrong with the trade paperbacks, especially volume 2: Confessions.
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Astro City is indeed still around, or back I should say. I would certainly recommend it, especially for someone who is just getting back into comics for the first time in about 10 years, as it gets to the heart of what made comics great back in the 70's and 80's, in my opinion.

I would also recommend anything Geoff Johns writes (JSA, Flash, Avengers, etc.) as he has a really good "voice" for important super-heroics and treats the genre with the respect I feel it deserves.

I do like Bendis' Ult Spider-Man and pick up Powers when my local shop has a back-issue sale, but I hesitate to annoit him as THE writer right now just because I can't stand his attitude. He comes off as an incredible ass on his website, but was very pleasant to meet in person. Not an easy man to figure out. If you want to read what everyone else is reading, you should definitely read one of his books.

J. Michael Strawhatski can rot however. His Amazing Spider-Man 9/11 "tribute" issue was the worst comic I have read in the Ultimate Age and his reaction to valid criticisms of the book, painted him as a small, petty man. I mean, Magneto (admittedly a fictional character), who once sank a Russian nuclear submarine with all kinds of innocents on board in his own brand of mutant terrorism would be at ground zero and crying for the loss of innocents, both human and mutant? Fanboy please.

As a long-time Bill Willingham fan, I would also recommend Fables. It takes the old characters from the Aesop Fables (Snow White, The Big Bad Wolf, Old King Cole, etc.) and has them living in modern times, chased from their realm by some unknown evil. I just wish he was doing some artwork on the series as well as writing it.

As always, grab what you think looks interesting and see if it reads as well as it looks. The opinions and bitterness of other comic fans won't mean squat if it doesn't "speak" to you. Welcome back to the fanboy fold, and enjoy it!



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74

    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    J. Michael Strawhatski can rot however. His Amazing Spider-Man 9/11 "tribute" issue was the worst comic I have read in the Ultimate Age and his reaction to valid criticisms of the book, painted him as a small, petty man. I mean, Magneto (admittedly a fictional character), who once sank a Russian nuclear submarine with all kinds of innocents on board in his own brand of mutant terrorism would be at ground zero and crying for the loss of innocents, both human and mutant?


The military personel on the sub were NOT innocent. I seem to remember him making this point back then as he ALWAYS does when acts like this are performed. This was lone before he took his stance that ALL homo-sapiens are below him. It wasn't untill around 97 or 98 that he held ALL of them accountable for the actions of the few. GREAT issue that was also, it was, I believe, the prelude to the MAGNETO WAR storyline, where he let a construction worker decide the fate of all non-mutants.



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As for the 9/11 tribute issue of Spidey, I think it was written more for a nation still shocked and in mourning (or, at least its comic book readers) than it was as a story meant to fit into some sort of continuity.

Also, AngryJohnny, the new Dark Horse reprints of Lone Wolf and Cub have flipped the panels, so it reads from left to right (unfortunately, this gives us left-handed samurai, which there weren't any, but that may be showing off too much of my geekdom).

As for you, krakken, might I suggest the purchasing of trade paperbacks. They're more prevalent now than ever before, and it's a relatively inexpensive way to capture an entire story without having to go through the trouble of hunting down back issues. Some of them even have DVD-style "extras," which consist of character design sketches, scripts, notes on meetings between creators and editors, and stuff like that. The best place to find them would be a comic book shop, of course, but some bookstores do stock them. Their selections may not be too comprehensive, but, in my experience, there is that chance where you could find that rare gem that you've been having trouble finding elsewhere for whatever reason.



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Jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by Dagent913
    Also, AngryJohnny, the new Dark Horse reprints of Lone Wolf and Cub have flipped the panels, so it reads from left to right
I know, kind of annoying but it has led to funny stereotype questions from first time readers I loan my manga to. "The story was great, but why are all Japanese people left handed?"



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Dagent913
    As for the 9/11 tribute issue of Spidey, I think it was written more for a nation still shocked and in mourning (or, at least its comic book readers) than it was as a story meant to fit into some sort of continuity.


Indeed. This was an issue dealing with the biggest real-life tragedy on American soil EVER, so messing with the status quo for ONE issue is not that big a deal.

What did Stracyznski say in response to the criticism to make him a "petty" person, by the way? I stopped reading Wizard years ago and have been out of the loop except for 2 or 3 monthly books since then.




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    What did Stracyznski say in response to the criticism to make him a "petty" person, by the way? I stopped reading Wizard years ago and have been out of the loop except for 2 or 3 monthly books since then.


I don't recall it being in Wizard, but was rather something I saw quoted on Comic Newsarama (I tried to find it via a search of the site and then the wayback machine with no luck so if you can find it, feel free to make my rapidly deteriorating memory look way stupid) where he resorted to the standard, "tell the critics to get a life, get a girlfriend, get out of their parent's basement, etc., etc., etc." It seemed to me that he was resorting to petty cliches to try and diffuse any argument/criticism over his story and his talent, avoiding the real issue entirely.

Hey, I thought it sucked rocks (and was a subject best left alone), your mileage may vary.

And trade paperbacks are a great way to get into some fine books that have been printed for someone who has been away from comics for a while. Since I'm a monthly collecter for the most part, I always seem to "forget" about those. Great point.

And you probably should get used to bitter old and quick to judgment newer fans bickering constantly about every little change/storyline etc. Just like wrasslin' Gotta love the internet!

And obviously, I haven't gotten the quoting technique down yet either. Sorry.

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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    And obviously, I haven't gotten the quoting technique down yet either. Sorry.
Try using "[quote]" and "[/quote]," Drew.

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Here is the list, I'm currently reading.

- Amazing Spiderman. Start with J. Michael's run, you can find most of it in Trade paperbacks under Home Again.

- Transformers G1. First Arc is in trades. The second starts in the Fall in comic issue form.

- Green Arrow. Start with Kevin Smith's Quiver just to brush up on it, but then start right away with the new writing. Much better then Kevin's run.

- Batman- Jim Lee's run will be out in Trades soon, but there is a two in one comic of his first two issues, the others shouldn't be too hard to find either.

- GI Joe- I'm reading it, but even I don't know why.

- FF- Regular FF and Unstable Molecules are great for different reasons. Start with the free 60 book and work you way up.

- Ult. Spidy. Its good, but I like Amazing more. You can find the first few issues in trades easily they came out right after an arc ends. The hardcovers are really nice.

- Ultimates- It was interesting when it started out if you like it the first trade is out. It does get boring after the first arc though and you will learn to loath Nick Fury, Waps and Thor's hyprocise of late.

Here is a good list of trades to pick up if you missed the late 90s like I did.

Powers: Who shot Astro Girl?

Kingdom Come

Marvels

Sandman 1-10. Trust me this is really worth reading.

Strangers in Paradise: Don't read the first arc, its ok, the second arc is a good jumping point.

Midnight Nation.

Risign Stars.

There are a ton of great books out there. Trades are the best place to go if you missed out on a lot.

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