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|  #22 Posted on 3.3.04 2118.43 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | Who the hell needs steroids? Babe Ruth hit all those homers fueled up on hot dogs and beer. And the fences were further from the plate. At the baseballs weren't juiced. Hit the buffet, Bonds!
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| #23 Posted on 3.3.04 2217.54 | Instant Rating: 5.79 | Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
OK. So the SF Chronicle is saying he was given steroids by his trainer now. So, what does baseball do??
If it is "proven" that he actually took them (which you can't do without a positive test, imho), does baseball strike his records, take back his MVPs, etc? Yeah, the trainer GAVE him steroids, but that doesn't prove that he took them. Yeah, it would seem obvious, but not proven fact.
I mean, would they give the single-season record back to McGwire...who was probably on roids also??
Yeah I would agree. Getting steroids doesn't mean you used them. It doesn't look good for them but there's always the possiblity that after they receieved the steroids they conscience got to them. And does receiving the steroids mean they actually ASKED for them, or did this trainer just give it to them suggesting it? I haven't really heard that part of the story.
Really I don't know why everyone is making a big deal out of this and completely forgetting about the one who DID cheat, Sammy Sosa. I mean there is video evidence that he cheated in a Major League Baseball and he got a slap on the wrist and seems to be all forgiven now. But since Bonds supposedly, maybe, possibly used steroids he gets condemned.
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| #24 Posted on 4.3.04 0205.05 | Instant Rating: 9.00 | Well bat corking, while illegal, is more or less part of the less glamorous tradition of the game. It's been done before, and the punishments haven't, I believe, been that harsh.
Mentally, also, bat corking and steroids are different animals. A corked bat can be seen, and fairly easily checked for. It's not as drastic an improvement as steroids are, either, as studies have more or less shown. Corked bats don't shorten the lives of those who use them; we don't worry that a poor young kid will be lured into using a life-altering corked bat, because he has to do so in order to compete. Steroids create suspicion in all of our minds in a way corked bats don't. We don't really wonder who is and who isn't corking, because the odds of getting caught seem to be pretty high. There are no "masking agents" for cork (or superballs, if you're Graig Nettles).
And, finally, Sosa simply isn't Barry Bonds. He was a close second to McGwire, but Bonds has eclipsed all of that.
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| #25 Posted on 4.3.04 0827.28 | Instant Rating: 7.75 | Originally posted by PalpatineW
Well bat corking, while illegal, is more or less part of the less glamorous tradition of the game. It's been done before, and the punishments haven't, I believe, been that harsh.
Mentally, also, bat corking and steroids are different animals. A corked bat can be seen, and fairly easily checked for. It's not as drastic an improvement as steroids are, either, as studies have more or less shown. Corked bats don't shorten the lives of those who use them; we don't worry that a poor young kid will be lured into using a life-altering corked bat, because he has to do so in order to compete. Steroids create suspicion in all of our minds in a way corked bats don't. We don't really wonder who is and who isn't corking, because the odds of getting caught seem to be pretty high. There are no "masking agents" for cork (or superballs, if you're Graig Nettles).
And, finally, Sosa simply isn't Barry Bonds. He was a close second to McGwire, but Bonds has eclipsed all of that.
Palp, Sosa has recieved more punishment than any player on steroids. As have pitchers caught doctoring the ball. The problem is steroids have only been illegal in baseball for a couple of years.
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| #26 Posted on 4.3.04 0859.07 | Instant Rating: 4.39 | Originally posted by TwisterF5
Who the hell needs steroids? Babe Ruth hit all those homers fueled up on hot dogs and beer. And the fences were further from the plate. At the baseballs weren't juiced. Hit the buffet, Bonds!
There were also short porches (as in 270 ft) down the foul poles, relief pitching as we know it wasn't there yet and all the pitchers were caucasian with maybe one/two pitchers per team who threw anything but a straight ball.
Outside of that it was the same game as today :)
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| #27 Posted on 4.3.04 0957.17 | Instant Rating: 7.75 | Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
Originally posted by TwisterF5
Who the hell needs steroids? Babe Ruth hit all those homers fueled up on hot dogs and beer. And the fences were further from the plate. At the baseballs weren't juiced. Hit the buffet, Bonds!
There were also short porches (as in 270 ft) down the foul poles, relief pitching as we know it wasn't there yet and all the pitchers were caucasian with maybe one/two pitchers per team who threw anything but a straight ball.
Outside of that it was the same game as today :)
And that's the reason baseball has and will survive, it isn't a static game.
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