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It's been a few years since it has happened, but the Top 15 took a real beating this weekend. Good-bye to Heisman and National Title talk involving West Virginia, hello to Florida being able to put destiny into Ohio State's hands with a victory in the Bayou. It will be tougher for Florida to campaign on being the best 1 loss team this year with the loss coming at home against an Auburn team that lost at home to Mississippi State already. Not eliminating them, but, a loss to LSU knocks them down to the Citrus Bowl.
To paraphrase Baby Animal from Muppet Babies: Big XII Go Bye-Bye. Texas was a fraud team, but Oklahoma losing to Colorado is beyond shocking, especially with a 24-7 lead.
With back-to-back(and belly-to-belly) losses, when do the natives break out the Saban Must Go chants at Alabama?
Someone is going to pick off USC, and it probably won't be Cal. They are too sloppy a team to go unbeaten this year, and John David Booty isn't a shadow of Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart.
Imagine if last season's Big Ten schedule was in place and Ohio State and Wisconsin didn't meet again this year, especially if enough stuff happens that they would be 2 and 3 and unbeaten.
South Florida is on the cusp of being one of the big boys. However, they have to demonstrate that they don't slip up against a Central Florida or a Cinci. Even if they go unbeaten they will be beneath a 1-loss Pac-10 or SEC team in the BCS. Same thing goes for Boston College, but they'll find a way to screw up on their own anyway.
Very early hypothetical: Suppose LSU gets knocked off by Florida and the only unbeatens at the end of the season come out of South Florida, Hawaii, Ohio State/Wisconsin winner and USC/Cal winner. That would place the traditional Rose Bowl match-up in the National Title Game in the Superdome. Where the hell does the Rose Bowl go for their match-up in that scenario? Do they go the Loser Bowl of the Big 10/Pac 10 scenario, or do they import an SEC and Big XII team with 1 loss?

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Agreed on USC mostly. The thing they really lack is speed at the wide receiver position, as most of their WR crop are 6-4 215 guys. There is not Steve Smith or Keary Colbert on this year's Trojans, at least so far.

I think they can still run the table, though. They are so dominant running the football that they play from the lead incredibly well. Washington had the ball for 9 minutes of the first quarter and ended up with only 24 minutes of time of possession for the game.

I also don't have any idea what could have gotten into USC to commit so many personal fouls last night. Good grief.

I think if South Florida runs the table and they are one of only two unbeatens they will be in the championship game, especially since they went to Auburn and won. Then we can all complain that they didn't play anyone in their conference and have our annual "playoffs vs. BCS" argument in November, right?



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It was nearly five years ago that I told you all USF would be crashing the party. This team's rise has been incredible. And regarding their schedule, JJD, who is undefeated and has played a tougher schedule? The Bulls won at Auburn and over West Virginia. Only Cal is unbeaten and has played a comparable schedule.

The USF defense is amazing. It gives them a chance to beat anyone in the country on any given weekend. They are a legitimate top 10 team and, while the matchup with Rutgers in three weeks obviously lost a lot of its luster with the Knights losing to Maryland, it still would be an impressive win given how ALL the top 10 teams in the country seem to want to lose.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    And regarding their schedule, JJD, who is undefeated and has played a tougher schedule?


I was thinking of my boss, who I think is pretty typical of the average fan, when I wrote that. After listening to him rag on Boise State for all of December because they played in the Fiesta Bowl, I can only imagine how disgusted he would be if it was, say, LSU-USF in the championship game this year.

(And RSN already declared "Even if they go unbeaten they will be beneath a 1-loss Pac-10 or SEC team in the BCS." That makes me what to go on a major anti-BCS rant, but I won't.)

I didn't say their schedule was poor, I was thinking ahead to "the Big East is horrible" comments that would surely come out if they ran the table. USF is going to get downgraded because they aren't a "name" school and because their conference is perceived as weak, and it could cost them a chance at the national title. Wouldn't it be silly to assume otherwise?

FWIW, my local AP voter has USF #5. I'll be interested to see where they are ranked later today.

EDIT: And while I'm on the subject, it pisses me off that USF, at 9-2 and with a win over an at-the-time-of-their-game ranked opponent (a 29-7 win over Bowling Green), will probably not go to a bowl game just because they have no conference affiliation (they join conference USA next year).

That's what you said in that five-year old thread. Imagine how pissed you will be if 12-0 USF plays in the Fiesta Bowl while a one-loss team plays for the title.

(edited by JayJayDean on 30.9.07 1046)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.40
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      And regarding their schedule, JJD, who is undefeated and has played a tougher schedule?


    I was thinking of my boss, who I think is pretty typical of the average fan, when I wrote that. After listening to him rag on Boise State for all of December because they played in the Fiesta Bowl, I can only imagine how disgusted he would be if it was, say, LSU-USF in the championship game this year.

    (And RSN already declared "Even if they go unbeaten they will be beneath a 1-loss Pac-10 or SEC team in the BCS." That makes me what to go on a major anti-BCS rant, but I won't.)

    I didn't say their schedule was poor, I was thinking ahead to "the Big East is horrible" comments that would surely come out if they ran the table. USF is going to get downgraded because they aren't a "name" school and because their conference is perceived as weak, and it could cost them a chance at the national title. Wouldn't it be silly to assume otherwise?

    FWIW, my local AP voter has USF #5. I'll be interested to see where they are ranked later today.

    EDIT: And while I'm on the subject, it pisses me off that USF, at 9-2 and with a win over an at-the-time-of-their-game ranked opponent (a 29-7 win over Bowling Green), will probably not go to a bowl game just because they have no conference affiliation (they join conference USA next year).

    That's what you said in that five-year old thread. Imagine how pissed you will be if 12-0 USF plays in the Fiesta Bowl while a one-loss team plays for the title.

    (edited by JayJayDean on 30.9.07 1046)


Well I'd be pretty damn pissed, to be honest.

Hell I'm pissed NOW. The coaches rank UF ahead of USF, despite the fact that the Bulls won AT Auburn and Auburn won AT Florida. It doesn't make any sense. I'm still not sure a playoff solves the problem. I think a better solution is delay releasing the first polls so teams like USF aren't at a handicap simply because they started the season unranked.

I would also like to add, I think USF as one of two unbeatens makes it to the title game.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 30.9.07 1106)
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New polls are out

..and they're pretty OUT THERE too. This has to be the weirdest regular season AP poll I've ever seen in my entire life. If you had told me at the beginning of the season that, in the same poll, you'd have South Florida at #6, Kentucky at #8, Hawaii at #16, AND Cincinnati at #20 I'd probably punch you in the face for being such a dummy. Wow!

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The only thing that could make this season any weirder would be if Notre Dame got their first win of the season against USC.

Come to think of it, that'd be pretty damn entertaining.




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Make sure you've packed your survival gear in the bomb shelter . . . Kentucky is in the TOP 10!!! . . . In football??!! Ye gawds!!

Of course, it's probably only until after Thursday, but a man can dream . . . for a few more days at least.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
    Originally posted by It's False
    The only thing that could make this season any weirder would be if Notre Dame got their first win of the season against USC.

    Come to think of it, that'd be pretty damn entertaining.






The Notre Dame game won't be one that USC sleepwalks through. Payback for the 1993 bullshit call against Boston College would be nice though in a few weeks.
I'm not anti-South Florida. I actually like them to an extent. The problem they are going to have is that they have had the 'special' win already. Beating Louisville lost luster when Syracuse knocked them off, and Rutgers lost it's juice when they got knocked off by a mediocre Maryland. If Florida runs the table the rest of the way and wins the SEC Title Game, they will probably jump South Florida. If USC and CAL are #1 vs. #2 when they go head-to-head, a losing USC would probably stay ahead of South Florida. It's not right, but it's the reality of College Football. Now, the best case scenario for South Florida in the National Title Game (I'm really putting the whammy on them doing this): Florida knocks off LSU, but gets picked off by Georgia/Florida State/Kentucky/SEC Title Game combination. USC loses to Oregon but knocks off Cal. For security, having the Big 10 champ not getting through clean would allow for 1 of the above scenarios not to occur. That a realistic scenario could be constructed for South Florida to play in the BCS Title Game before October says a lot about how far the program has come.
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I wasn't all that shocked by Colorado winning. A little, but a few points kept it in doubt:

1. OU hadn't played anyone. No, Miami certainly doesn't count. Sure Miami whipped A&M. So what? When did A&M become a credible team to judge yourself on? Miami struggled against Duke this week. That's more what Miami is.

2. Colorado has shown improvement this season before this. That's not just cause I'm an FSU fan, but that team isn't near as bad as it's been.

3. Cliche as it sounds, OU was looking ahead I would bet on it.

4. Bradford is young. You can bet on at least one bad loss with a young QB. And be lucky if it's not more than that.

So anyway, yeah it was fun to watch.

If the Bama fans are smart they realize they've been in some close games they would have been blown out in before Saban. But what am I saying, typing "smart" and "Bama fans" in the same sentence. Crazy. By the way, if "Savior" Lee can keep playing like that I'm a damn happy guy from now on.

I actually think it will be Cal to beat USC. Cal's offense is just too good. Their defense kinda stinks, but I don't think USC can keep pace in a shootout. Which is about the weirdest thought of this season.

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    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    Make sure you've packed your survival gear in the bomb shelter . . . Kentucky is in the TOP 10!!! . . . In football??!! Ye gawds!!

    Of course, it's probably only until after Thursday, but a man can dream . . . for a few more days at least.


First time since January of '78, after the end of the '77 season where the Cats went 10-1 and ended up at #6. (Thank you, Ashley Judd commercial.)

I say they beat the Old Ball Coach on Thursday. But this is a surreal time to be a college football fan in this area. If you had told me before the season that between Kentucky, Louisville, and Indiana, one would be in the top 10, one would get some votes but not be in the top 25, and one would get no votes at all, I would never have been able to tell you which one was which.



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Forgot to chime in on USF. While I do think they are a decent team, I think people need to step back a bit. If winning a game that was supposed to be between the top two teams in the conference, but was basically a pathetic comedy of errors, makes you a sure fire national title team well I just don't get it. That game had 10 turnovers. TEN!!!! Are you kidding me? Not to mention a million other mistakes from both teams.

USF can play defense just fine. And they did beat Auburn, though that team is as crazy as Clemson from week to week the past couple of years so who knows what that means. Sure Auburn beat Florida, but these crazy things happen. It's not like people think Wolford can beat Michigan because they beat App State.

I guess what I'm saying is I need to see a bit more. You go in against LSU and turn the ball over and play that sloppy, it's gonna be an asswhipping worse than Florida/Ohio State last year. I don't want to see that. Cream everyone left on your schedule and fix the mistakes and I'll consider taking you seriously. Keep playing like you did this weekend, and I'll have no problem with a one loss team getting the nod over you.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.40
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Forgot to chime in on USF. While I do think they are a decent team, I think people need to step back a bit. If winning a game that was supposed to be between the top two teams in the conference, but was basically a pathetic comedy of errors, makes you a sure fire national title team well I just don't get it. That game had 10 turnovers. TEN!!!! Are you kidding me? Not to mention a million other mistakes from both teams.

    USF can play defense just fine. And they did beat Auburn, though that team is as crazy as Clemson from week to week the past couple of years so who knows what that means. Sure Auburn beat Florida, but these crazy things happen. It's not like people think Wolford can beat Michigan because they beat App State.

    I guess what I'm saying is I need to see a bit more. You go in against LSU and turn the ball over and play that sloppy, it's gonna be an asswhipping worse than Florida/Ohio State last year. I don't want to see that. Cream everyone left on your schedule and fix the mistakes and I'll consider taking you seriously. Keep playing like you did this weekend, and I'll have no problem with a one loss team getting the nod over you.

    (edited by wmatistic on 30.9.07 1934)


USF had one shitty quarter against the then-No. 5 team in the country. If it's more impressive that USC have just as many turnovers while playing the schedule the Trojans have, than I guess USF can never overcome them.

And unless your argument is that West Virginia is *severely* overrated, at the end of the day, USF has two wins that are both more impressive than anything Wisconsin, Florida, Boston College or Kentucky have done so far, to name four top 10 teams.

I'm not going to sit here and argue that USF's offense could move the ball at will against the LSU defense. That is obviously not the case right now. But the Bulls' defense gives them a chance against anyone, and I don't see how some pollsters punish them for winning ugly while rewarding teams like Florida for losing pretty. It just doesn't make sense.

It's also interesting that you choose to highlight the four-turnover first half against West Virginia, and not the fact that USF turned the ball over zero times AT Auburn - a defense much greater than that of West Virginia. I think that suggests WVU is the exception.

And since you brought up turnovers, in the WVU and Auburn games, the USF defense forced a combined 11 turnovers. That is damn impressive. All I'm saying is, if you go by what has happened on the field this season, it doesn't make any sense for USF to not be No. 5 at least right now. Wisconsin, Florida and Boston College being ahead of them in the coaches poll is a joke (not that that particular poll has had any credibility in several years anyway).
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I would say that in the polls the teams with more talent tend to get favored. That's not to demean what USF has or to say I 100% agree, only to say if you're looking at overall talent a team like USC that has had top three recruiting classes however many years in a row now is going to be looked at in a different way than a team that has barely pulled a top 25 class. Sure they have a lot of turnovers too, but when matching them up you'd have to say USC has better talent here and here and here and here so they should be favored. You can't penalize USC because they haven't played big games YET.

Doesn't mean that a team with less talent can't come together and play great team ball and with great coaching win anyway. Hell Notre Dame couldn't touch USC's talent in the Bush Push game, but kept it close. Just means they'll be forgiven less for mistakes than a USC team that's clearly loaded with way more than USF has right now. And I think the rest of the Big East falling apart is hurting their perception as well.

Again, that's not to say I don't personally think USF has a good team. Just that if I'm doing rankings, I have a hard time moving them up past some of those teams. Wisconsin, sure. They suck and are clearly going to fall. If I'm looking at the rest of the AP poll, no I wouldn't move them ahead of any of those teams(Cal, USC, LSU, Ohio State) if they all went undefeated. They play a tougher overall schedule and have more talent. Boston College and Kentucky I think are much closer calls. I could flip a coin there. People aren't giving BC near enough credit in most cases. Kentucky is a question mark so I'd probably give a very slight edge to South Florida for now. But if they run the SEC, yeah no question which should be ranked higher(and no I don't think Kentucky is going to do that). As for Florida, it helps that they lost to Auburn last year and won the national title anyway. They get the benefit of the doubt until they lose another one I would think. I think that would be a hell of a game and would probably agree South Florida should be ranked one higher than the Gators right now.

Pollsters tend to be leary based on the past too. They were very slow to move Clemson up this year because we all knew it was a matter of time before they blew a game they should win, as they did yet again this weekend.

And sure Auburn beat Florida so to some that looks really impressive having a win over them on the schedule for South Florida. But remember Auburn also lost to Mississippi State, a team that LSU trounced 45-0.

It's college football. By that I mean you can and will see crazy results sometimes but the polls tend to look from an overall perspective of yes this team was upset, but look at all that talent they still have, chances are they're better than that. Sure, keep losing and you'll drop.

This isn't to say the polls have it right, just that this yelling of injustice is premature and overblown. Heck if I'm making the polls, Oregon is at least the top one loss team in the country, if not also ahead of Wisconsin.

South Florida's biggest concern now is the rest of their schedule doesn't look very impressive. Unless Auburn goes on a tear from here on out, and the rest of the Big East really picks it up, they won't have enough on the resume to surpass the teams ahead of them.

Would you honestly look at the end of a season in which USC, LSU and South Florida went undefeated and say South Florida was more deserving?
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And the new #1 L.S.U. Well at least according to the A.P.

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None of the major outlets have picked up this story yet, but I found it funny. Apparently Michigan may have just lost another game:

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/3219

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    None of the major outlets have picked up this story yet, but I found it funny. Apparently Michigan may have just lost another game:

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/3219



I can't tell from the article, does that only affect their Penn State game or does it also affect their Notre Dame game? It SOUNDS like it's the former because Notre Dame wasn't a conference game? I dunno.

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I saw that MSNBC has picked up the story and they include the Notre Dame game so I'm not sure. Michigan is a member of the Big 10 so you would think that it wouldn't matter who they play, the kid wouldn't be eligible. So my guess is yes it would affect both the Notre Dame and Penn State games.
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    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    Make sure you've packed your survival gear in the bomb shelter . . . Kentucky is in the TOP 10!!! . . . In football??!! Ye gawds!!

    Of course, it's probably only until after Thursday, but a man can dream . . . for a few more days at least.


Dare I say, I will dream at least until the LSU game. That's right, I think the Cats finally beat the Ol' Ball Coach!




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I agree that South Florida should be ranked higher because they've had the better season but some people vote based on what teams they think are the best not the season they've had. Even though Florida has one loss it's not exactly crazy to think Florida is still the better team.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    who is undefeated and has played a tougher schedule? The Bulls won at Auburn and over West Virginia. Only Cal is unbeaten and has played a comparable schedule.


LSU. Virginia Tech or South Carolina might not be as good as West Virginia and Oregon (although I'm not convinced with Oregon so far) but Virginia Tech or South Carolina is definitely better than Tennessee and Auburn. Plus LSU dominated both teams and destroyed a Mississippi State that beat Auburn by more points than South Florida did.



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