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Sounds like MCCAIN staffers are blaming Palin for all the touble. My question is if she was such a troublemaker, then why did they not remove her and put someone else in the V.P. role?

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She helped with the base but the base had shrunk. She had relatively little appeal with the middle. Things like saying Africa was a country didn't help. But he chose her and it was his fault not her's. Of course they will blame her as they are being credited with destroying the Republican party in some quarters.

As far as replacing her, that would have been even worse.



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Yeah once selected they were stuck with her and had to pretend it was all OK.

Today I was looking for news on the radio and found a station. Took me a couple minutes to realize it was Rush, and....I can't believe anyone listens to that man. Here was his take on this:

1. They are making it all up and Palin is the greatest thing ever.

2. "Welcome to the Obama Recession."

What he meant by #2 is that the stock market has gone down the past couple of days, and in fact the whole four thousand or so points it's lost lately, and it's all Obama's fault. Every bit of it.

Wow.

(I realize 1 and 2 aren't related other than I heard them both from Rush, I just had to share his insanity for whatever reason)
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There are two schools of thought on this. If McCain had picked Romney or Lieberman, he might've gotten buried even more given the huge amount of buzz Obama had built right after the DNC. Then again, once Palin was gradually more and more revealed as incompetent, it could be argued that her selection proved to be an example of bad judgement on McCain's part and people lost faith in him.

I truly would love to know how Palin's name came up in the VP vetting process, especially given the 'McCain wanted Lieberman or Ridge, Rove wanted Romney' rumours.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    There are two schools of thought on this. If McCain had picked Romney or Lieberman, he might've gotten buried even more given the huge amount of buzz Obama had built right after the DNC. Then again, once Palin was gradually more and more revealed as incompetent, it could be argued that her selection proved to be an example of bad judgement on McCain's part and people lost faith in him.

    I truly would love to know how Palin's name came up in the VP vetting process, especially given the 'McCain wanted Lieberman or Ridge, Rove wanted Romney' rumours.


I believe before the current economic crisis, McCain had a lead in the polls. He couldn't have picked Lieberman as the base would have rebelled. Palin gave him a "wow" factor. They just shouldn't have let her do interviews or a debate. When the economic crap hit the fan, having Romney may have helped a bunch. Maybe what really hurt McCain was essentially saying he was a moron on economic matters.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      There are two schools of thought on this. If McCain had picked Romney or Lieberman, he might've gotten buried even more given the huge amount of buzz Obama had built right after the DNC. Then again, once Palin was gradually more and more revealed as incompetent, it could be argued that her selection proved to be an example of bad judgement on McCain's part and people lost faith in him.

      I truly would love to know how Palin's name came up in the VP vetting process, especially given the 'McCain wanted Lieberman or Ridge, Rove wanted Romney' rumours.


    I believe before the current economic crisis, McCain had a lead in the polls. He couldn't have picked Lieberman as the base would have rebelled. Palin gave him a "wow" factor. They just shouldn't have let her do interviews or a debate. When the economic crap hit the fan, having Romney may have helped a bunch. Maybe what really hurt McCain was essentially saying he was a moron on economic matters.


I know the economy was the most important factor, but I really do believe Palin hurt the ticket as well. She helped clearly for a little while, but the publics perception of her changed quickly after that when we got to know her, especially after the Couric interview.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
It was definitely a mistake to choose her (in retrospect), but I don't think that cost McCain the election. Obama ran an almost flawless campaign; his strategy and message were both spot on from the beginning. Plus, the timing of the financial crisis and the bad economic news were huge factors in his favor as well.

McCain didn't really seem to find his voice until towards the end of the campaign. There was no consistent message nor a cogent strategy. Maybe he was hamstrung by the party and felt he couldn't really do what he wanted. Maybe, but that still ultimately reflects on him because he is the candidate. It's also ironic that one of the big factors in his defeat was the difference in money, but it was his campaign reform (to get the money out of politics--get serious!) that lead to that huge difference.

Until his concession speech, he never seemed comfortable or believable during his speeches. It's bad when a candidate's best speech given (by far) during the two year process is the concession speech.
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I don't know whether it was a mistake per se, but at least it was a refreshing change of pace. I mean, I can't for the life of me remember who Obama's running mate is. I'm sure he's an important man, but to me, he's just a stiff in a suit, much like many other political figures. Palin had spirit, she looked like she was having fun, and she was a media sensation. I mean, I loved her work alongside Tina Fey on SNL.

If anyone's to blame for McCain's defeat, I'd blame Obama; he had a better campaign all around.



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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yeah once selected they were stuck with her and had to pretend it was all OK.

    Today I was looking for news on the radio and found a station. Took me a couple minutes to realize it was Rush, and....I can't believe anyone listens to that man. Here was his take on this:

    1. They are making it all up and Palin is the greatest thing ever.

    2. "Welcome to the Obama Recession."

    What he meant by #2 is that the stock market has gone down the past couple of days, and in fact the whole four thousand or so points it's lost lately, and it's all Obama's fault. Every bit of it.

    Wow.

    (I realize 1 and 2 aren't related other than I heard them both from Rush, I just had to share his insanity for whatever reason)


The real scary thing is how *many* people listen to him. I was listening to that same rant yesterday. I do like to listen to him at time for the high-comedy BS he spews. It doesn't help that his ilk is the only stuff I can find on the radio, as my job has me driving through mid and northeastern Missouri.

As for Palin, I'm not sure she had any net effect on things in the end. The large bump she gave to the race was offset by the decline over the next two months. I just hope she takes herself back to Alaska for a long time, and Joe the Plumber can go with her. Some of the stuff the McCain aides are putting out there does seem a little over the top though.
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Yeah like the story that they came to her hotel room and she was in a towel cause she just got out of the shower....I mean who cares? Why is this supposed to be a big deal?

But the other stuff just shows more of how clueless she is so that I can understand.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
Here's some excellent YouTubage (youtube.com) capturing some great* Sarah Palin moments.


* - not for her
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yeah like the story that they came to her hotel room and she was in a towel cause she just got out of the shower....I mean who cares? Why is this supposed to be a big deal?

    But the other stuff just shows more of how clueless she is so that I can understand.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.23
    Originally posted by MUTigermask
    I just hope she takes herself back to Alaska for a long time, and Joe the Plumber can go with her.


Nope! We're stuck with Joe the Media Whore for the time being, rumor is he's mulling a run for a seat in the House, in MY home district even! At least I'd get a chance to vote against the jerk.

(edited by Alex on 8.11.08 0026)
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74
    Originally posted by Alex
      Originally posted by MUTigermask
      I just hope she takes herself back to Alaska for a long time, and Joe the Plumber can go with her.


    Nope! We're stuck with Joe the Media Whore for the time being, rumor is he's mulling a run for a seat in the House, in MY home district even! At least I'd get a chance to vote against the jerk.

    (edited by Alex on 8.11.08 0026)


I hope he does and he is the Reps nominee. He would get eaten alive by PeeWee Herman.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
If Joe the Plumber was smart, he'd have jumped on his 15 minutes to make a few bucks doing some endorsements and commercials, not tried to run for office.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
Palin was a longshot pick, and there is a reason longshots rarely pay off. Hindsight 20/20 he should have gone with Hutchinson from Texas if he wanted a Republican woman on the ticket, but that could have brought up more Bush from Texas issues.
McCain had somehow stabilized the campaign when he started doing the wacky 'I'm suspending the campaign, I'm not going to debate, I'm going to debate, I'm not going to suspend the campaign' act. And, if he was going to have that sort of act, he should have gone with the public and been against the bailout rather than putting himself in a position where Democrats drew cover for voting for it because McCain supported it.
In the political environment of this year, McCain was the only Republican who wasn't going to get humiliated. Only problem was that McCain ran one of the 3 or 4 worst Presidential campaigns by a major party candidate in the past century.

(edited by redsoxnation on 9.11.08 0744)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    In the political environment of this year, McCain was the only Republican who wasn't going to get humiliated. Only problem was that McCain ran one of the 3 or 4 worst Presidential campaigns by a major party candidate in the past century.


I don't know, Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, and others rank right up there. McCain's problem wasn't Palin or the other stuff you mentioned IMO but that to secure the nomination and secure the base he had to strike a Faustian bargain that robbed him of his soul and I think he knew it and regretted it. My God, he worked with Karl Rove who helped destroy him in 2000.

The other problem is that McCain while thoughtful isn't a superdeep thinker. He admits he goes from the gut, often makes quick decisions, and sticks with them and seldom has regrets. And in some respects his camapign mirrored that, esp. the choice of Palin.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
Flat out, I didn't vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin. As pointed out earlier, he made the decision of bringing her on, what other decisions would he make?

She's homespun, and from the heart, but people who aren't as smart as my second grade teacher shouldn't be running for public office.



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Here is a report (rasmussenreports.com) from Rasmussen that says that 64% of Republicans choose Palin as their top presidential pick in 2012. Wow! Coming in at #2 is Huckabee at only 12%, then Romney at 11%.

I don't care if the McCain camp's claims of Palin's dumbness and/or ignorance are true or not (I mean, I do, but I wouldn't want her running the country either way) -- what's fascinating to me is how fast the knives came out after the campaign ended. And, I guess, how quickly this seems to be yet one more thing destined to backfire on poor McCain.

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