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Since the Illinois House voted 117-1 to impeach the governor (the lone 'no' vote came from his sister-in-law), I'm gonna go with...conviction.

For those of you not follwoing along, Blago's impeachment trial began Monday without him. Instead, he opted to tour several high-profile news programs and proclaim his innocence and the unfairness of the trial. Today he changed his tune and showed up in court to make a statement about not submitting his resignation among other things.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28894427/

Not sure what the fallout will be, but Illinois is definitely due for a governor not destined to spend time behind bars due to corruption charges, as this will make two in a row. A vote on Blago's fate is due this afternoon.
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Conviction. Most likely 59-0. Could be one or two strays, mostly from Chicago where they would have less of a fight running for re-election.



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Conviction. His tactic of going through several media outlets in liew of having his day in court really doesn't paint a pretty picture, and in fact makes him look like an egotistical ass.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.59
    Originally posted by PeterStork
    Conviction. Most likely 59-0. Could be one or two strays, mostly from Chicago where they would have less of a fight running for re-election.


You nailed it.

Blago has been immediately removed from office. Leut. Gov. Pat Quinn takes over in the interim. Thanks for coming.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by djp
      Originally posted by PeterStork
      Conviction. Most likely 59-0. Could be one or two strays, mostly from Chicago where they would have less of a fight running for re-election.


    You nailed it.

    Blago has been immediately removed from office. Leut. Gov. Pat Quinn takes over in the interim. Thanks for coming.


How many Illinois pols would have to leave if they uncovered all the shady deals in the state with legislators. He was bad but very entertaining.



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I hate to play devil's advocate and look like I'm backing this douche, but...

...seeing as how he hasn't been tried and convicted in criminal courts of any wrongdoing, should the IL state legislature be doing this yet?

Shouldn't they wait until Blago gets, you know, CONVICTED of something by the justice system before voting to bounce his butt out of office? At this point, they're firing him because he got accused of something. That's it.

If he beats the coming criminal rap, can he sue the state for a wrongful firing?

Oy vey, IL politics.

(edited by The Thrill on 30.1.09 1411)









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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by The Thrill
    I hate to play devil's advocate and look like I'm backing this douche, but...

    ...seeing as how he hasn't been tried and convicted in criminal courts of any wrongdoing, should the IL state legislature be doing this yet?

    Shouldn't they wait until Blago gets, you know, CONVICTED of something by the justice system before voting to bounce his butt out of office? At this point, they're firing him because he got accused of something. That's it.

    If he beats the coming criminal rap, can he sue the state for a wrongful firing?

    Oy vey, IL politics.

    (edited by The Thrill on 30.1.09 1411)


Politics is perception. He has lost the faith, trust, and backing of the people he is supposed to represent. Because he has put himself in this position (guilty or not), it's hard for him to do anything without everyone second and third guessing his intentions.

Now, if he's found not guilty, I don't know what will happen.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.04
    Originally posted by The Thrill
    I hate to play devil's advocate and look like I'm backing this douche, but...

    ...seeing as how he hasn't been tried and convicted in criminal courts of any wrongdoing, should the IL state legislature be doing this yet?

    Shouldn't they wait until Blago gets, you know, CONVICTED of something by the justice system before voting to bounce his butt out of office? At this point, they're firing him because he got accused of something. That's it.

    If he beats the coming criminal rap, can he sue the state for a wrongful firing?

    (edited by The Thrill on 30.1.09 1411)


Blagojevich got impeached for a number of reasons. What you and he don't seem to understand is that if the majority of the general assembly/state doesn't like you, and can come up with an even dubiously appropriate reason for why you should no longer be Governor, they can impeach you. It's not a matter of criminal charges. If they think you're doing the state harm by leading it they can oust you.

There were lots of things Blago did that were odd (stalling on disbursing money for state parks and drug programs, even though it was available, trying to move the state headquarters of the DMV to a tiny town in southern IL that didn't want it, being a general douchebag, etc.) and there were twelve supposedly impeachable offenses in addition to the attempted sale of Obama's seat that brought about the impeachment proceedings.

There was major talk of impeaching Blagojevich as early as May of 2007, and minor talk of doing it even prior to him being re-elected, but most se it as a last ditch effort to remove the sitting governor, and don't want to start it if there's a chance he'll be gone in a couple of months anyway. Because really, impeaching the head of your state leaves your state looking almost as bad as the guy you get rid of.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.80
    Originally posted by Zundian
      Originally posted by The Thrill
      I hate to play devil's advocate and look like I'm backing this douche, but...

      ...seeing as how he hasn't been tried and convicted in criminal courts of any wrongdoing, should the IL state legislature be doing this yet?

      Shouldn't they wait until Blago gets, you know, CONVICTED of something by the justice system before voting to bounce his butt out of office? At this point, they're firing him because he got accused of something. That's it.

      If he beats the coming criminal rap, can he sue the state for a wrongful firing?

      (edited by The Thrill on 30.1.09 1411)


    Blagojevich got impeached for a number of reasons. What you and he don't seem to understand is that if the majority of the general assembly/state doesn't like you, and can come up with an even dubiously appropriate reason for why you should no longer be Governor, they can impeach you. It's not a matter of criminal charges. If they think you're doing the state harm by leading it they can oust you.


Is that in the Illinois constitution or something? Because that's certainly not true of any impeachment process I've ever been familiar with. Impeachment is a criminal proceeding. In fact, the impeachment itself is the bringing of charges.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.71
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Zundian
        Originally posted by The Thrill
        I hate to play devil's advocate and look like I'm backing this douche, but...

        ...seeing as how he hasn't been tried and convicted in criminal courts of any wrongdoing, should the IL state legislature be doing this yet?

        Shouldn't they wait until Blago gets, you know, CONVICTED of something by the justice system before voting to bounce his butt out of office? At this point, they're firing him because he got accused of something. That's it.

        If he beats the coming criminal rap, can he sue the state for a wrongful firing?

        (edited by The Thrill on 30.1.09 1411)


      Blagojevich got impeached for a number of reasons. What you and he don't seem to understand is that if the majority of the general assembly/state doesn't like you, and can come up with an even dubiously appropriate reason for why you should no longer be Governor, they can impeach you. It's not a matter of criminal charges. If they think you're doing the state harm by leading it they can oust you.


    Is that in the Illinois constitution or something? Because that's certainly not true of any impeachment process I've ever been familiar with. Impeachment is a criminal proceeding. In fact, the impeachment itself is the bringing of charges.


    Originally posted by Illinois Constitution
    SECTION 14. IMPEACHMENT
    The House of Representatives has the sole power to
    conduct legislative investigations to determine the existence of cause for impeachment and, by the vote of a majority of the members elected, to impeach Executive and Judicial officers. Impeachments shall be tried by the Senate. When sitting for that purpose, Senators shall be upon oath, or affirmation, to do justice according to law. If the Governor is tried, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court shall preside. No person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the Senators elected. Judgment shall not extend beyond removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office of this State. An impeached officer, whether convicted or acquitted, shall be liable to prosecution, trial, judgment and punishment according to law.


Nowhere does it say the impeachment will proceed as a criminal trial. Many legal experts in the state weighed in during the process that it's a political, not a criminal, proceeding.

Besides this, it was still a fair hearing. Blago was unable to call witnesses pertaining to the December arrest charges, but A.) neither was David Ellis, 2.) the prosecution would stipulate to everything the witnesses would say in support of Blago, and D.) he could call any witness he wanted pertaining to the other impeachment charges regarding his literally illegal mismanagement of the state over the past six years. Notice he didn't whine about not being able to support himself in that arena - he didn't want to call attention to the fact that he had no defense. Instead he just whined - not under oath - about being a populist and ignored the fact that he's cost the state millions and didn't really help anyone in the process most of the time. That's the hitch so many out-of-staters don't understand: in the end, this had NOTHING to do with the arrest. It was all about his multiple illegal actions that hurt the state over the years - a total abuse of power - and the Obama Senate seat allegations were just the spark that lit the hundred-foot tower of kindling already soaked in petrol.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
a couple of late corrections/comments

- the 1 no vote in the house was a Chicago rep. His sister-in-law actually voted "present", and then refused to answer questions while bolting Springfield. When even your sister-in-law doesn't want a "No" vote on her record...

- the reason for the impeachment now was as much about the credibility of the state government being destroyed (such as it is, anyway) but the strong/widely held belief if Blago was allowed to stay in office until being convicted, he'd continue to operate in the same manner and the damage would be irreversible.

Blago still actually been indicted of anything; the feds just came public early because they had the same concern (if his actions were allowed to go on, he'd dig a bigger hole for everyone else.) They specifically wanted to warn everyone before the senate appointment, which still didn't work out so well.

If this was an isolated incident in an otherwise unnoteworthy career, maybe they'd let it go further in the judicial system before acting, but since no one was really surprised by the existence of corruption in his administration (though maybe surprised by the level and openness of it), he had to go. He'd burned every bridge already.

- Even getting impeached, dude was clearly having the time of his life this past week - he was finally the national star he'd always wanted (and felt deserved) to be. He's going to have a hard time in a couple weeks when everyone moves on to something else and he's irrelevant. You have not begun to see desperation.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34

TNA sent out a press release offering him a position in the Main EVent Mafia.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    TNA sent out a press release offering him a position in the Main EVent Mafia.
Which I think is pretty funny. I suspect I'll find it much less amusing when they bring in an impersonator for an endless series of skits.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.01
So, now that Blago has a lot more time on his hands, maybe he can go out and get himself a decent haircut?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
A haircut?? "Iíve got this coiffure and itís f-ing golden, and, uh, uh, Iím just not giving it up for f-iní nothing. Iím not gonna do it. And, and I can always use it... I want to make money!"

Do you suppose Blago vs. Nash, hair vs. hair would draw any money?



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