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I'm going with the assumption Miami and Texas don't blow huge leads in their games:

Michigan, K-State, Georgia, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Alabama and Arizona State (depending upon the poll) all go down to lower ranked or unranked teams, with the MAC pulling 3 of these upsets off. This doesn't even include Missouri barely surviving Middle Tennessee State in overtime, or Ohio State doing their weekly tap dance of death against a 4th MAC team. Usually one of these days pops up with conference games in October, but I can't remember one where a non-BCS conference wreaked such havoc with highly ranked teams. The 85 scholarship parity has really set in on all but 2 or 3 teams now.



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So much for my wondering when the pac-10 would get some ESPN love...
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(edited by Merc on 21.9.03 2014)


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I knew Northern Illinois was good after the Maryland game, but this team is for real. Sounds like they miss the tough road games in the MAC this year and could be this years Marshall, a 12 or 13-0 team playing in the Motor City Bowl.



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I swear; two weeks ago, I knew Marshall was for real. Whether or not they beat K-State without Robertson, they didn't have Stan Hill, either; they went into Manhattan and won.

Northern Illinois is incredibly good; there are years where a lot of teams go without beating 2 ranked teams. They're now rightfully ranked.

Toledo took out Pitt - and owns a win over Marshall.

Bowling Green won at Purdue, nearly won at Ohio State. (Granted, their other two wins were a directional (E. KY) and Liberty College, but they were by the combined score of 125-16.)

Maybe they should just consolidate the MAC and Big East into a superconference (and leave the directional Michigans and Buffalo at the door).

The MAC should have a couple of teams ranked at the end of the year, minimum.





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Pittsburg was the highest ranked team ever to play here in Toledo at the ShoeBowl. Too bad I had to work and miss it.
Does anybody here think that the Mac conference champion would ever be considered for one of the "at-large" bowl bids?I know the team would have to go unbeaten and all that.

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I think they'd fall under the Tulane Exception from '98. Tulane went 11-0 and ended up playing in the Liberty Bowl. Toledo and Northern Illinois are the only teams that have a shot of it, as of now. I could see NIU having a case for one, but they simply have to run the table. Toledo's win was more impressive, but NIU has two over ranked* teams.

*They were ranked at the time - 'Bama can't be ranked by the ESPN poll.





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Ewww Notre Dame are just awful, they have no offense to speak of... I question what's worse Notre Dame or NBC bush league coverage of Notre Dame football. Do you have to show forced fan cheering after EVERY play! I really wanted to knock out ever MSU band member that they kept showing mugging for the camera.



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    Originally posted by ESPN.com
    Today's football riddle: What do Paul Tagliabue and Rick Chryst have in common?

    Answer: They are the commissioners of the leagues that played the best football in the country this weekend. Tagliabue, of course, runs the NFL. Chryst is the commissioner of the Mid-American Conference, which had three members defeat ranked teams on Saturday.

    The biggest surprise came at No. 6 Kansas State, which lost to Marshall, 27-20. Toledo, which won at Marshall a week ago, beat visiting No. 11 Pittsburgh, 35-31. Northern Illinois, which opened the season by beating then-No. 14 Maryland, 13-10, in overtime, stunned Alabama, No. 21 in the AP poll, 19-16 in Tuscaloosa.

    "We had a concentration of those games, and the top end of our league competing in them," Chryst said Sunday night. "It all came together."

    The victories are the result that Chryst hoped for several years ago when he urged member schools to play better teams, and to make whatever deals necessary to get those teams to come to MAC campuses. The schools have 10 nonconference home games against I-A schools, seven of them against BCS schools.

    The strategy has brought unprecedented success, perhaps too much. The big schools are refusing to schedule any more visits. "The top end of our league, forget it," Chryst said. (emphasis mine)

    "Maryland tried to get out of coming here," Northern Illinois coach Joe Novak said Sunday night. "They tried to buy us out of the contract, but our athletic director (Cary Groth) stayed strong. We played Illinois two years ago, the year they won the Big Ten. We lost by five and were throwing in the end zone at the end of the game. They don't want to play us and I don't blame them. There's nothing to gain, especially in this state."

    Northern Illinois agreed to play twice at Alabama, without a return visit. At a point in time when the BCS schools are being charged with squeezing the non-BCS schools out of more lucrative payouts, you would think that the Alabamas and Marylands have a vested interest in keeping the MAC schools healthy. On the other hand, maybe that's na´ve.

    "It is na´ve," Novak said, laughing. "Winning these games is really making it difficult."

    Northern Illinois will continue to try to schedule I-A teams to come into DeKalb, whether they are in the BCS or not. Novak said the school is talking to Louisiana Tech right now. In the meantime, the Huskies sold out Huskie Stadium for the Maryland game, all 28,000 seats of it. For the Iowa State game, the school is considering bringing in bleachers that would seat an additional 2,000.

    "When I came here seven years ago," Novak said, taking over a team that had signed a long-term lease on the MAC cellar, "you dreamed of playing in a packed stadium against a ranked team. Last night was a little more special. But I was more nervous than our kids, to be honest. Our kids went in there feeling they could win the game."


So there it is. All this success the MAC had this weekend ensured ONE thing-they'll never get to play big name schools ever again. It's a lose-lose situation for the BCS schools. If you win, you better win big. And if you lose-well, go see what the atmosphere is like over in Manhattan this morning.



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One engineering manager I deal with graduated from K-State. For him I say this:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

At least the Chiefs are doing good for them this year!

Seriously speaking (as I live in NE Ohio), a lot of the local schools here are in the MAC (Akron, Kent, Toledo, BGSU, and Ohio). It is a great feeling to see the conference get the exposure it deserves - first in basketball, now in football. Kudos to the league for developing quality teams and programs.

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Of course, if the Big East tanks after this year(and who's to say it won't) maybe the BCS guys can be pressured into giving their big to the MAC Champion....at the very least either the MAC or the MWC Champ.



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    So there it is. All this success the MAC had this weekend ensured ONE thing-they'll never get to play big name schools ever again. It's a lose-lose situation for the BCS schools. If you win, you better win big. And if you lose-well, go see what the atmosphere is like over in Manhattan this morning.


I agree, all of this hype for the upsets is not going to do them any good in the end. Not only that, but now it's spawning asinine columns about how conferences like the MAC should be around in January.

I'm not trying to take anything away from a team like Marshall but, let's be honest, they got a fluke win. Of their 27 points, 16 were off bonehead turnovers where KSU's QB kept inexplicably fumbling the ball. Marshall would have lost on any other day of the week, but the sun was shining on them that day.

It's a great boost for their program, but the January comments are just silly. A KSU team with it's head out of it's ass would eat them alive, as would any other top team in the country. Assuming they would even get the chance to play top teams again, which is going to be tough for them.
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You know what?

That's crap. Complete, total, honest crap. You know why? I saw them play us two weeks ago; they gave us everything they had. Playing a team ranked in the top 15, on their turf, with only maybe 6% of the crowd behind you, they threw everything they had at us; it wasn't enough to win, but it was close. They lost their starting QB - Stan Hill - for part of the game, but he came back to lead them late. They didn't even have Hill for the K-State game (as I've already said). Yes, I know K-State didn't have Eli Robertson, but the fact of the matter is simple; if you're a "powerhouse" like K-State, you simply have to win the non-conference games against mid-majors ... especially when they're at home. You know what I call a team that scores 17 points off turnovers in a game? A team that can take advantage of opportunities. That's all there is to it. The win wasn't a fluke; they'll win 6 or 7 more the rest of the year. They'll beat good teams - and they'll lose to better. But you know what?

They still deserve better than the Motor City Bowl.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Yet another reason why NCAA football needs a tournament. At least teams from the MAC would have a shot, if nothing else. If KSU is so confident they were beaten on a "fluke," they might get another shot at Marshall in a tourney setup.



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AND you couldn't get away with this "We won't play good mid-major teams" crap. Cause if you play a weak schedual, you'll end up getting a lower seeding, and most likely end up playing those teams you've been ducking all year.

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"That's crap. Complete, total, honest crap."

Calm down. I'm not saying Marshall didn't play a good game. They had extremely solid rushing against a good defense, but their game on both sides of the ball was nowhere near what would have passed for a win without KSU shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over again. A KSU receiver flat out dropping the ball in the endzone is not because Marshall's ability was too much for them to handle. KSU's starting QB giving up multiple unforced fumbles, only for his replacement to come in for one play, trip, and fumble himself, is not because they couldn't penetrate Marshall's dominating defense. A win is a win, but it was more lucky than good. There's nothing wrong with that.

I didn't even mention the QB issue, but I will just to point out that "Ell Roberson" is his name, and KSU would have lost if he was in the game making the same mistakes.
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Okay... I'm better now.

Ell Robertson? Whoops ... blaming that one on being in SEC land and that Eli.

I understand what you're saying... however, of those 17 points, only 10 (I think) were off fumbles; I know one was an 89-yard INT return off the top of my head, and there might've been another INT -> points in there somewhere. (It's debatable whether Robertson would've made the same throw.) To say K-State blew the game is fine, but at least give equal weight to turnovers; if that INT isn't thrown, K-State probably wins the game.





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#18 Posted on
    Originally posted by TheCow
    Ell Robertson?

Rober. There's not a T.
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...Guess me and preseason hype don't go too well together.

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