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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
http://whosslammingwho.podomatic.com/entry/2010-12-08T08_47_51-08_00

Fast forward to about 12 mins, when he outright mentions people in TNA, clients, I assume, have told him management have let Jeff go the ring wasted on more than one occasion.

Not a surprise, of course. I'm more shocked other people are shocked.

How pissed would you be if you were Mr Anderson?
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Incredible... it's negligence of the highest order by TNA if they are allowing Jeff Hardy to go to the ring impaired. Someone can get injured (Ken Anderson), or, even worse, get himself or another performer killed. The substance abuse caused his exit from WWE. Someone in TNA needs to lay the law down with this guy fast.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by mountinman44
    Incredible... it's negligence of the highest order by TNA if they are allowing Jeff Hardy to go to the ring impaired. Someone can get injured (Ken Anderson), or, even worse, get himself or another performer killed. The substance abuse caused his exit from WWE. Someone in TNA needs to lay the law down with this guy fast.


From TNA"s standpoint; Jeff is very over. Wrestling has shown time and time again that it will use guys who have personal problems so long as they'er able to go out there and perform and keep the crowds coming.

Is it dangerous? Sure. But they don't give a damn. TNA in particular needs all the "star power" it can get and isn't about to let a little thing like substance abuse get in the way of ratings.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by mountinman44
      Incredible... it's negligence of the highest order by TNA if they are allowing Jeff Hardy to go to the ring impaired. Someone can get injured (Ken Anderson), or, even worse, get himself or another performer killed. The substance abuse caused his exit from WWE. Someone in TNA needs to lay the law down with this guy fast.


    From TNA"s standpoint; Jeff is very over. Wrestling has shown time and time again that it will use guys who have personal problems so long as they'er able to go out there and perform and keep the crowds coming.

    Is it dangerous? Sure. But they don't give a damn. TNA in particular needs all the "star power" it can get and isn't about to let a little thing like substance abuse get in the way of ratings.


What ratings do they have to get in the way of? If they're not careful, TNA's going to get the worst public relations disaster possible-- someone dying in the wrestling ring.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
The worst part is that WWE would probably take a bigger hit than TNA would. To the mainstream audience, WWE = wrestling. I'm sure they would go into full damage control having wrestlers make TV appearances explaining that Jeff Hardy was fired from WWE for his problems and WWE doesn't put up with that kind of thing and it's disappointing that TNA is such a poorly run company, but if the news channels have taught me anything, it's that they don't care about the facts as much as they care about being able to blame someone.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
    From TNA"s standpoint; Jeff is very over. Wrestling has shown time and time again that it will use guys who have personal problems so long as they'er able to go out there and perform and keep the crowds coming.

    Is it dangerous? Sure. But they don't give a damn. TNA in particular needs all the "star power" it can get and isn't about to let a little thing like substance abuse get in the way of ratings.


The thing is though, Hardy isn't bringing anything to the company. The ratings are still just as bad as ever, and their house shows are bringing fewer people than my High School Reunion would.

If Hardy being with them brought in extra ratings or jumped house show attendance, I could see playing the 'evil businessman' card where the argument could be made that it's a business and money talks. Since neither of those things are happening, all that matters is TNA just doesn't care.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.60
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by PaulKTF
      From TNA"s standpoint; Jeff is very over. Wrestling has shown time and time again that it will use guys who have personal problems so long as they'er able to go out there and perform and keep the crowds coming.

      Is it dangerous? Sure. But they don't give a damn. TNA in particular needs all the "star power" it can get and isn't about to let a little thing like substance abuse get in the way of ratings.


    The thing is though, Hardy isn't bringing anything to the company. The ratings are still just as bad as ever, and their house shows are bringing fewer people than my High School Reunion would.

    If Hardy being with them brought in extra ratings or jumped house show attendance, I could see playing the 'evil businessman' card where the argument could be made that it's a business and money talks. Since neither of those things are happening, all that matters is TNA just doesn't care.


As someone who attended one of these High School Reunion House Shows, he got one of the loudest pops I have ever heard, people stood in line for an hour after the show to get their picture taken with him and his merchandising was selling like hot cakes. Granted this was prior to the heel turn, but he has helped their business.

TNA got one of their best ratings this year due to the KO main event. The Knockouts are were the money is for the company and once they finally realize that then they will be ok. Thinking Hogan and the past WCW stars are going to do something is ridiculous. Flair is going to be gone by January and doing his best to blow through his dates, Foley seems to be done as well and Tazz is tweeting his displeasure for WCW 2010. These are the so-called ambassadors for this product, I can only imagine what Joe, AJ and others are thinking. And yes, if I were Anderson a receipt would be necessary next time Jeff stepped into the ring with him.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Sadly I don't see any of this changing. The problem is with Dixie. She has no clue what she is doing. Her solution from the beginning has been to put name value over everything else. She's brought in workers with drug history like Angle and Hardy. She's brought in the exact same team that destroyed WCW.

In the past year, they've lost some good young performers in Kong, Flash, Creed, Daniels (not so young), and now Joe is on the fence. All this to bring in Hogan, Bischoff, Flair, RVD, and Hardy. And where are they? The ratings are exactly the same as they were just before Hogan came in.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by mountinman44
    The substance abuse caused his exit from WWE.


It did the first time, in 2003. In 2009, his contract expired before he was arrested, and WWE still wanted him back for Wrestlemania 26 until he signed with TNA.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    As someone who attended one of these High School Reunion House Shows, he got one of the loudest pops I have ever heard, people stood in line for an hour after the show to get their picture taken with him and his merchandising was selling like hot cakes. Granted this was prior to the heel turn, but he has helped their business.


He has helped them draw more Hardy Fans to their house shows but it's negligible in the grand scheme of TNA business.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
The sad fact is that both The WWE and TNA have enabled Jeff Hardy the last decade or so. The guy has two strikes against him on the Wellness and he gets a couple World title reigns. I understand that he was the most over guy not named Cena and selling merch and everything but it doesn't send out the greatest message. The WWE wanted Jeff back even after he was arrested. TNA daleth with him in '04-05 and even suspend him back in '05 because he showed up to tapings in bad shape or no showed Tapings. Scott Hall is another guy that was enabled in a way over the course of his career. If TNA would have the guts the fire Jeff would the WWE not hire him back? I could see them trying to get him into rehab and bring him back with a clean slate and he'd likely have three chances to screw up yet again. The problem is Jeff mostly but also promotions that have looked the other way at times because he was and is over and sells merch.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by graves9
    If TNA would have the guts the fire Jeff would the WWE not hire him back? I could see them trying to get him into rehab and bring him back with a clean slate and he'd likely have three chances to screw up yet again.


Yeah unless he actually goes to prison I think they would trip over themselves to get him back. It would be '06 all over again with them saying it's a new, mature, healthy Jeff (again). Jeff would have a lot more respect for them than he does for TNA and try to be good most of the time but ultimately a man who breathes peroxwhy?gen can't grow gills.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
Plot has thickened somewhat: Behrens did another podcast, and talked about internet sensationalisim (fair point) however, he also insisted he was talking from a strictly hypothetical point of view.

Except at exactly 13.01 of the Decmeber 8th podcast he outright says he believes TNA management have sent Jeff Hardy to the ring knowing he was impaired because that's what he's been told by several people. He makes a good point that the reports where exaggerated somewhat but the core truth of the reports is the same.

My best guess: he let his guard down in a podcast he thought hardy anyone listened to. And now TNA, who he does work with, are angry (he mentions an email from someone in management).

Behrens actually wasn't saying anything that controverial, Meltzer, Alvarez and Keller have been hinting for ages he's doing drugs and management are turning a blind eye. I've read a bunch of fan interaction reports that testify to him acting...oddly.

(edited by cenamark21 on 15.12.10 1806)

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
http://corporate.wwe.com/​company/​abuse_​policy.jsp#1


Now, if you really want to get cute with section 15, the strikes count against you while your gone, but it doesn't say they continue once you come back. Unless of course you have already hit the magic number of 3. It is heavily implied, but, if it isn't stated, could that be a loophole? If not, can't see an Angle going back with the eternal 2 strikes and I doubt Hardy wants to piss in a cup all the time, until he is broke again.
As for Hardy dying in the ring being the worst thing that could happen to TNA: What was the highest rated RAW during the Monday Night Wars? Wasn't it the Owen show? It is the old Hollywood line: As long as they spell the name right it is good publicity.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by cenamark21
    Behrens actually wasn't saying anything that controverial, Meltzer, Alvarez and Keller have been hinting for ages he's doing drugs and management are turning a blind eye. I've read a bunch of fan interaction reports that testify to him acting...oddly.


Also, have you been watching the show? He's a mess, and it'd take a better production crew than TNA's got to hide it.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    Now, if you really want to get cute with section 15, the strikes count against you while your gone, but it doesn't say they continue once you come back. Unless of course you have already hit the magic number of 3. It is heavily implied, but, if it isn't stated, could that be a loophole?



Hardy & Regal were both away from the company between their first and second strikes. So while they could try to play a loophole, they've already set precedent against it.

As for Jeff Hardy dying in the ring, back when he was rehired by the WWE and people were speculating as to whether your strikes continued after leaving and coming back (which, obviously, they did, as evident by Jeff's 60 day suspension following his second strike), I made the comment that if strikes *were* erasable, that I sincerely hoped Jeff died in the ring so as to facilitate the creation of a legitimate wellness policy. I was informed by some idiots on this board that I should kill him myself. Maybe they were right.

Of course, in Hardy's defense, I imagine that even if he were completely clean and sober, he'd probably still appear to be completely wasted. I don't think drugs are the only thing wrong with Jeff Hardy's mind.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
    Originally posted by InVerse
    Hardy & Regal were both away from the company between their first and second strikes.
No on both counts.

Jeff got his first strike during his feud with Umaga in the summer of 2007, and his second strike before Wrestlemania 2008.

Regal got his first strike as part of the Signature Pharmacy names in 2007 and his second when he tested positive (presumably for steroids) during his King of the Ring/turn-out-the-lights push in 2008.

Jeff has no strikes from being fired in 2003. Regal has no strikes from pissing on the airplane.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I made the comment that if strikes *were* erasable, that I sincerely hoped Jeff died in the ring so as to facilitate the creation of a legitimate wellness policy. I was informed by some idiots on this board that I should kill him myself.


I was one of those "idiots," and it's still one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever read on the Internet, no matter how passive aggressively you try to marginalize your dumbass comment. Also, you did not say anything about a "legitimate wellness policy" in that post. Here's the entire post in question:

    Originally posted by Inverse
      Originally posted by kentish
      If we saw Jeff Hardy die of drug related causes in the middle of a live Raw, that might be the end of wrestling as we know it.
    That would be a good thing.




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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
To be fair, he said more in that thread.
    Originally posted by InVerse
    And I can't imagine that quitting will reset your violation count. If it does, then I sincerely hope someone who returns dies, in the ring, on television, due to drug use, because that's probably the only thing that would actually bring about legitimate change and even that would be a stretch.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.17
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I was one of those "idiots," and it's still one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever read on the Internet, no matter how passive aggressively you try to marginalize your dumbass comment. Also, you did not say anything about a "legitimate wellness policy" in that post.


How does your inability to make obvious inferences qualify something else as stupid?
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    http://corporate.wwe.com/​​company/​​abuse_​​policy.jsp#1


    Now, if you really want to get cute with section 15, the strikes count against you while your gone, but it doesn't say they continue once you come back. Unless of course you have already hit the magic number of 3. It is heavily implied, but, if it isn't stated, could that be a loophole? If not, can't see an Angle going back with the eternal 2 strikes and I doubt Hardy wants to piss in a cup all the time, until he is broke again.
    As for Hardy dying in the ring being the worst thing that could happen to TNA: What was the highest rated RAW during the Monday Night Wars? Wasn't it the Owen show? It is the old Hollywood line: As long as they spell the name right it is good publicity.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 15.12.10 2242)


Owen died because of the result of an accident involving the harness; and lived the cleanest of lives (I believe he didn't even have the occasional drink). Plus: I get the imperssion that Owen was liked a whole lot more by pretty much everyone than Jeff Hardy ever was/is.

That's a bit different than Jeff dying because his heart stops in the middle of a match or he botches a movie and breaks his neck because he's on something.
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