Good sequels: Back to the Future, Parts II and III. I liked both of 'em better than the original, and the original kicks about 20 different types of ass. Hey, the trilogy's coming out on DVD in July! I'M THERE.
Bad sequel: Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. Yeah, it was indeed a bogus journey-- and a letdown from the first Bill & Ted, which I actually enjoyed.
Good sequels: Star Trek II, VI, First Contact and Insurrection ruled all, in my opinion. I could, for the most part, do without the rest of 'em by comparison.
Bad sequels: Superman III and Superman IV. Ugh.
Good remake: The Thomas Crown Affair (1999). Although I haven't seen the original, I love the remake. I'll have to catch the original and, if need be, revise my opinion.
Bad remake: Bedazzled (2000). I actually used to like this movie, until I watched it the third or fourth time. Then I was like, “Y'know, this movie sucks!” Again, I haven't seen the first one, but I've heard it's much better.
Danny Glover had the power of Gary Busey on his side when he tangled with the Predator, so it kind of evened things out. Throw in King Willie, the Alien skull and all the cool Predators hanging around in the ship at the end and you get a fun movie. It's not a match for the original, but it's not that bad. I might have to look into this, but I'm pretty sure there's a rule that if Gary Busey dies in a movie, it's worth at least two viewings. This may require a seperate thread.
"Die Hard: With a Vengeance" is unfairly maligned. Again, it doesn't quite match up to the first two Die Hards, but it's still a lot of fun considering it was supposed to be a Lethal Weapon or something. Any movie with Detective John McClane is good.
"Superman III" (Hackman replaced by Robert Vaughn??) deserves mention. They made that back when Richard Pryor was expected to be able to open any movie. Oh, Hollywood! It gets a little slack for the stupidly funny Evil Superman and the really long junkyard fight between Clark Kent and Superman, which is right up there with "They Live!" for goofiest pointless fight between two people that goes over ten minutes.
Then there's "Superman IV", which has no redeeming qualities. Whenever they do career retrospectives on Hackman, they kind of gloss over Lex Luthor, and I like to think it's solely because of Quest for Peace, and that he takes some kind of pride in his fun Lex Luthors from the first two Superman movies. Quest For Peace is even a career low for Jon Cryer, and man, I saw "Hiding Out" in the MOVIES.
Edit: "Bogus Journey" a bad sequel? That's crazy talk. Watch it again.
Originally posted by MoeGatesThen there's "Superman IV", which has no redeeming qualities
New rule: no sequel that makes use of Cold War tensions can ever be good. See Superman IV, Rocky IV, Summer Olympics XXI.
Are you kidding me? I loved Rocky IV! Drago's lines were fantastic. "I must break you", and "If he dies, he dies"? Dolph Lundgren should have had an Oscar. Well, ok, I exagerrate a little, but I still really like Rocky IV, as well as Rocky III, so count them as good sequels too. Ans count Rocky V among the worst sequels ever.
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Any Kevin Smith movie after Clerks, I consider them sequels because you had to see Clerks to get the foundation of some of the main characters and little plot lines that were sprinkled throughout the other movies.
Empire Strikes Back Terminator 2
Worst sequels: (no particular order)
Caddyshack 2 Predator 2 Rocky VI & V
I think if I was the last person on Earth, I would still wear pants, because I don't need to look down and have that kind of disappointment each and every day.
More sequels not mentioned yet: Rambo II: First Blood The Mummy Returns - great interweaving of plot like Back to the Future 2
Worst Sequels not mentioned yet: Scream 2 and 3 - why?
Jaws 4 - I remember seeing the trailer in the theater and shouted out "Nice title!"...worth a couple of laughs. Clear and Present Danger - I'd probably like it if I saw it again but my first impression wasn't memorable.
Worst Remake: I wanted to say Fantasia 2000 since the original was so boring, why would the remake be that much better?
Picking apart the Disney made-for-video sequels is fun too; leseee..Little Mermaid II, Cinderella II, Peter Pan Returns, 102 Dalmatians. I have yet to finish one of those.
First off, everybody I know (and what does that say for my gang of buds) says that Rocky IV was the best Rocky of them all. The music was perfect for the flick, and they made the best use of montage sequences. It is a cheesy flick (complete with robot), but the best kind of cheesy flick. Also, I enjoyed Scream 2 more than the first Scream movie...that is, until the god-awful ending. S2 was bigger in scope, funnier, and had better killing scenes than the first movie, but again the ending left me dragging. I can't say the same for Scream 3, which was just bad all over. I think that Blair Witch 2 may be the worst sequel of all time, if only because it fell into the cliched horror trappings that the first movie avoided so deftly. One of the funniest DVD director's commentary tracks is BW2's track, where Joe Behringer tries to justify the movie's existence. Every other comment follows this template, "The critics said that the movie (negative commment from a gaggle of critics), but I was just trying to heighten the (insert his pitiful attempt to justify his directing of the movie)." Classic stuff there.
Honorable mention for bad sequels go to both Crow sequels, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, and of course Caged Heat 3000.
aAh, Rocky IV-a terrible film with a GREAT "video package" in the middle. When Rocky goes cruising to the tune "No Easy Way Out" and has all those flashbacks? Beautiful.
As for worst sequel...I'd have to say Revenge Of The Nerds II. The first was a cool, witty, incredibly funny college comedy. The second was...well, fucking awful. There are, of course, all the usual suspects (the Halloweens and Fridays, although I never liked the original Friday anyway), but nothing pissed me off more than ROTN II.
Best sequel? Godfather Part II, hands down. Although Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade was better than it's predecessors, they weren't really sequels-same goes for Star Wars. Aliens is a close runner-up, but I love Harry Dean Stanton so I'll take the original any day.
And as for pointless remakes, four words: Psycho starring Vince Vaughn.
Edit: DAMN! I completely forgot Blair Witch 2! I made the mistake of going to the cinema to see that. I actually assaulted a movie poster after THAT experience.
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I like sequels a lot actually. They called last summer the "Summer of Sequels" as there were a lot of movies that had sequels made, some that you would think a sequel wouldn't be necessary.
Like, American Pie 2 for example. Same characters, same plot rehashed, but hey, it was funny. I'm a big fan of AP so, it didn't matter to me, I knew I would like it.
The Mummy Returns. The Mummy remake which came out in '99 was a big surprise and The Mummy Returns just seemed logical to make. I dug it.
Rush Hour 2 I actually like. I don't remember seeing all of Rush Hour, so maybe my opinion would be different if I had.
Scary Movie 2, again, a sequel unnecessary but when you're dealing with a movie based on spoofs only, you can make as many as you want, as long as they make money. Hence, Scary Movie 3 being in the works. Once again, it made me laugh, so I dug it. Although nowhere near as good as the original.
(If you can't tell by now, I'm a big fan of comedy and action)
I'll flip flop back and forth here between sequels and remakes as they come to mind.
The remake of Gone in 60 Seconds. The original, believe it or not (which you probably won't) was written and directed by a guy from my area back in the 1970's. In fact, the garage that he and his brother owned is still around, with his brother still owning it. (If you don't know, the originial creator of Gone in 60 Seconds was Tony Halicki and he died while making a sequel to the original in the early 90s). For a guy who knows the backstory to the original GISS and has never seen the original is kind of odd. However, the remake wasn't too bad. Lot of big names in it, even though the plot was kind of lame and predictable.
Never been much of a big Star Wars fan. You can tell this because I liked Return of the Jedi.
Dr. Dolittle 2, once again, part of that "Summer of Sequels" thing. The first movie did well, the filmmakers take another shot at it. I dig talking animals. Eddie Murphy is funny as hell and he cakewalks through these flicks.
Speaking of Eddie Murphy, the second Nutty Professor flick. Give it up to Murphy for essentially being the entire cast (except for Janet Jackson) as his roles as all of the Klumps are hilarious.
The first Blade was a great flick, Blade II looks even sweeter. Can't wait to check it out.
Resident Evil was great, it'll have a sequel.
X-Men will have a sequel and it should be good.
I hated Batman Returns, but I liked Batman Forever. Didn't care for Batman and Robin. Batman: Year One sounds interesting.
Mission Impossible 2, again, a sequel made only because of the success of its predecessor. I actually didn't like the first one but thought the second one was great. Plus, it had Metallica in it. (Well, not IN it, but the soundtrack, you get it).
Finally, Kevin Smith flicks. Not a one of his movies are sequels, but he's done something with his characters and stories that no director/writer has ever done before (at least none that I know of). Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back all are intertwined in Smith's odd Askewniverse. J&SBSB is my favorite of his, followed by Dogma, then Chasing Amy, then Clerks and finally Mallrats. (Which I sold my DVD of on eBay for $20 because I didn't think I'd ever have the desire to watch it again since I didn't care much for it but since I've been wearing out my copy of J&SBSB, I've had the urge to see all of his other flicks).
I didn't much like MI-2, if only because it was WAY too action oriented to really be called Mission Impossible. The whole gist of the old series was that the odds were always against their success so they had to come up with some ingenius way of doing something that didn't involve running in with guns blazing, which is exactly how the sequel was set up. Sure, there was a little bit of sheer ingenuity, but it was mostly gunfights and explosions. The first movie, on the other hand, had quite a bit of intrigue and hella cool, but still mellow, things in it before finally climaxing in the crowd-pleasing action scene on top of the train. Only thing it really had against it was that you have to see it at least twice before the plot makes a lick of sense.
Die Hard 3 worse than Die Hard 2? Hook me up with them drugs you be smokin. Seriously though, 3 was an INFINITELY better film than 2. For one, NO film with Samuel Jackson playing a lead character can be bad... oh wait, the new Shaft sucked. But besides that.
And how can Rocky IV, one of the greatest films of my generation, be considered "horrible"? I simply don't understand it. Sure, there were some plot elements that had a little Cold War flavor, but the film still managed to deliver a message. That being that an Italian can beat the living shit out of a faux-Russian any day of the week, especially on Christmas. And besides, them Ruskies don't even celebrate Christmas at the same time as the rest of the Jesus loving world. They do it a week later. But I digress.
Best sequal of all time: I'm goin with Mallrats because I think it was better than Clerks. What? Blasphemy you say? The inclusion of the Brody character alone makes this one better than Clerks. Besides, Dante is a whining, annoying prick anyway. If it weren't for Randle, Clerks would make me want to be involved in the "true" ending.
Worst sequal of all time: I'm goin with everyone who said Predator 2. But not because Danny Glover couldn't carry Ahnold's jock. The killing of the Jesse Ventura character in the first film should have been the cue not to make a sequal. "I ain't got time to bleed" is one of the best quotes from any movie. Ever.
Back to Rocky IV. Could Drago have looked any more like the prototypical Ubermench that Hitler wanted to create? I mean c'mon. A towering giant RUSSIAN with blond hair, blue eyes, and a distinctively NON RUSSIAN accent? I swear that this movie was less about the Cold War than it was about rubbing the fact that neo-naziism will never be superior as long as there are every day greaseballs with pride running this country into the face of every Nazi sympathiser left in the world. But I could be wrong.
Best Sequel eh? I am one of the few who is quite partial to the rarely seen Major League 3: Back to the Minors. I also am shocked at the Rocky IV bashing. Drago is the man. Now Rocky 5 was a pile horse dung. I also enjoyed Chasing Amy, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and Beverly Hills Cop 2. But the best sequel is by far and away The Godfather Part 2. A true cinematic masterpiece.
For worst sequel, look no farther than Breakin 2: Electric Boogalo.
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What about Friday Part VI (I think)? You know, the one where the disturbed girl is taken to Camp Crystal Lake for therapy (dumb move 1) where her dad DIED (dumb move 2) while crazy teens party in the camp houses (dumb move 3). Possibly the worst slasher ending ever-her dad coming back from the dead to drag Jason into the depths of the lake. I wept tears of sorrow for the once-great genre after this film...
Once again I'll have to reply with "...but I liked that one." for Friday the 13th part VII.
The part that made all that dumb shit worthwhile was that the girl was psychic so it was basically Carrie v. Jason. Ft13:V (the one with the guy dressed as Jason, who snaps because his retarded son got hacked up for giving a guy a candy bar) and Ft13:IX (the one where we find out Jason can fucking POSSESS people and he's NEVER done so until now) suck much harder. After seeing the add for part X though, I think V and IX will look like Fellini in comparison.
Halloween 3 and I still know what you did 2 summers ago are the worst sequels ever
Dawn of the Dead and Silence of the Lambs (sequel to Manhunter) are on my best sequels list along w/ Godfather II and Empire (edited by astrobstrd on 27.3.02 1150)
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I also left off The Rage: Carrie 2 from bad sequel consideration. Carrie 2 was like She's All That until the final cool scene of destruction. So if anyone sees this movie, do yourself a favor and fast forward to the final scenes.
Superman II was one of my favorite sequels. It had an intelligent storyline that was easy to follow unlike Superman IV. What I thought was cool was the fact that this the three villians had the power and it looked like they could beat Superman. I also liked it when he transformed to a mortal. Aside from the 1982 special effects and the WORST EXTRA ACTING IN HISTORY (don't believe me? Check out the scene when Superman and the villians fight in New York City. The extras are MORONS!) It atleast had a solid storyline and wasn't a mess like the later Superman's was.
As for worst sequel, I think it goes to Scream 3. Pathetic.
The Crow sequel was horrible. I don't even understand how it ever got made. I usually pretend it doesn't even exist. Hell, I pretend the comics it's based on don't even exist because I have never read them, and if they are less than perfect I don't want to.
Off the top of my head, I'd pick the third Die Hard as one of the best sequels. I like it better than the other two. Seems that most don't agree with me, maybe I'm just crazy.
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I guess I will start the Angel series finale thread. After the first commercial break, I thought they were going to do "Hush" 2; it went at least a couple of minutes without any dialog. I thought my sound was screwed up.