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Is it just me, or is Benoit showing a lot more personality as of late? Nothing striking, but subtly he seems to be moving away from the 'Mr. Roboto' type gimmick.

I keep having this dark feeling that the WWE writers were going to give him a rapper gimmick and have him tag with Cena. But even now that he's on Raw, I'm still uneasy.

Three things Benoit should NEVER say, because it's just downright scary- 'Esse', 'homes', and 'word life'.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Cerrita
    I keep having this dark feeling that the WWE writers were going to give him a rapper gimmick and have him tag with Cena. But even now that he's on Raw, I'm still uneasy.


I wonder where you could have gotten THAT (The W) idea?

Benoit is certainly more interesting on RAW than he ever was on Smackdown, but that's not saying a whole hell of a lot. He's still way too stiff.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.26
    Originally posted by Cerrita
    Is it just me, or is Benoit showing a lot more personality as of late? Nothing striking, but subtly he seems to be moving away from the 'Mr. Roboto' type gimmick.

    I keep having this dark feeling that the WWE writers were going to give him a rapper gimmick and have him tag with Cena. But even now that he's on Raw, I'm still uneasy.

    Three things Benoit should NEVER say, because it's just downright scary- 'Esse', 'homes', and 'word life'.


If you're talking about Benoit rapping, you've gotta add Angle to the rapping gimick group. That rap battle he had with Cena was probably the funniest thing Ive ever seen on WWE TV. Imagine, the new MOM
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
I think his delivery has improved. He'll never be a comedy guy, but he sounds a lot more natural when giving his uber-serious promos. Like Eddie Guerrero said, Benoit cuts good promos, in the context of being Chris Benoit.

For an example of a bad serious promo that sounds like it was read of a cue card, watch anything by Lance Storm.





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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I think his delivery has improved. He'll never be a comedy guy, but he sounds a lot more natural when giving his uber-serious promos. Like Eddie Guerrero said, Benoit cuts good promos, in the context of being Chris Benoit.


At the same time, he can't do what Eddy did a few weeks ago with his "THIS IS MY LIFE, MY FAULTS AND MY DESTINY, MOTHERFUCKER!!" promos. But that's not fair, since those may stand in history as some of the best babyface money promos ever.

To nitpick at Monday's stuff, Benoit did the "talk talk talk talk" thing at HHH which is a black hole spot in any promo. There's about 1,000 better things to be said in that spot and none of them were said.

Also, not only is "the time for talking is done" cliche at this point, but there's still TWO MORE RAWS UNTIL MANIA...so there's gonna be more talking. If you're gonna use it, the timing could be better.

Benoit is a unique case in that he's never going to get the entrance pop or the promo pop, but the in-match pop, which goes against the grain in the WWE.

More than anything, my suggestion would be to go a little more rudo-face with it and channel the July 2000 stuff more. The Benoit that stalked Rocky at every turn, sneered at Rock's self-proclaimed greatness and cut up The Rock's crappy $500 Dadeland Mall shirt? THAT'S the Benoit they could use right now for this.





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Yes, have Benoit cut up Triple H's plub colored shirts.

And this is so incredably impossible, but I'd die laughing if I saw it- have Benoit cut off H's hair in his sleep. (evil laughter) See how Christian and Test feel!





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    Originally posted by Cerrita
    Yes, have Benoit cut up Triple H's plub colored shirts.

    And this is so incredably impossible, but I'd die laughing if I saw it- have Benoit cut off H's hair in his sleep. (evil laughter) See how Christian and Test feel!


To take a page out of SHG's book, in the span of 2 years, he goes from the leather-denim biker jacket to wearing plum. I'm not saying this to be all smarky and I realize his character got tweaked a little in the median, but anyone who's ever had a serious relationship can tell that someone else is dressing him.

And it's not a knock on Trip or Steph post...this is just what HAPPENS to any guy when they get seriosuly involved/married.

(edited by Blanket Jackson on 25.2.04 1521)


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I liked the "talk talk talk" line. I didn't like the "I respect how great you are" part.
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    Originally posted by ripblazer
    I liked the "talk talk talk" line. I didn't like the "I respect how great you are" part.


the line itself doesn't bother me so much so much as it seems like there should be something better said there. Something along the lines of "If you won't stop talking, I'll shut your mouth for you" [not VERBATUM, but to that effect]...but yeah, it's not enough for Benoit to just respet him yet blow off everything he says. If anything, he should be taking the opposite discourse.

Storywise, this is a guy who a few weeks ago told you that your whole career is a second-rate JOKE compared to anyone who's ever been a top player. That this clubhouse is exclusive and YOU AIN'T GETTIN IN AT THE EXPENSE OF ME. And that dream on, cause standing in front of me is as close to that belt as you're getting. Call me competitively indignant, but it would have been ON at that point.





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    Originally posted by ripblazer
    I liked the "talk talk talk" line. I didn't like the "I respect how great you are" part.

Personally, the "talk talk talk" part was the highlight of his promo. And why did he say "I respect how great you are"? It's an obvious lie, cause I don't respect this imaginary 'greatness'.

    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    Something along the lines of "If you won't stop talking, I'll shut your mouth for you" (not VERBATUM, but to that effect)


Agreed. That would have gotten a great pop from the audience, and piss H off enough to maybe give a decent performance at Mania.





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I wish Benoit could ahve put up more of a fight before being overtaken and having HBK come out. He had a chair, why not let him use it for 30 seconds or so to fend off Evolution?

Next week, I'd like to see Benoit attack HHH backstage, lock in a crossface, and have officials literally tear him off. Then Benoit breaks away, and takes him down with another crossface before finally being separated for good. It would put him over as a badass, no promo necessary. What fan wouldn't eat that up
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Benoit should've done the "you talk too much" bit during the contract signing. I'm not one to buy in to the whole "HHH as the Ultimate Evil" schtick but having him just stand there silently the whole time HHH made that speech, and then not really come back with anything until two weeks later didn't do him any good.

As much as I like the guy's ability to tell a story within a match, he needs to work on the subtle stuff OUTSIDE one. A roll of the eyes, or a little bit of "good grief, does this guy ever shut up?" body language would've made a world of difference, and helped to illustrate Benoit's "skip the chatter and get in the ring" mindset.

They're not playing to his strengths outside the ring in this whole thing. Benoit's not a Rock or a Jericho or a Guerrerro, so trying to put him up against someone as good on the mic as HHH can be (when he's not rambling for hours) is just pointless.

Having him slap the crossface on Michaels even though he helped him out was a good idea, go with that. Have the guy crossface everyone HHH gets within ten feet of, surround him with people suffering like he wants HHH to suffer. That'll get him over as a threat. The chit-chat won't.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by ripblazer
    I liked the "talk talk talk" line. I didn't like the "I respect how great you are" part.


Interesting point...but I think if it had been someone other than HHH onthe receiving end we'd all be cool with it. With Hunter, it comes off as having to kiss up to the champ. At the same time, what's one thing a lot of people complaint about in regards to HHH? The fact that he tears down his opponents verbally before he buries them in the ring.

What's the old addage? If you condition the fans to think your opponent is a loser all you end up doing is beating nobody. I've always believed that's true. Eventually, whether at Mania or Backlash, you have to assume Benoit going to beat HHH. He's just trying to make that win more meaningful.

As far as Benoit not having charisma, well, no, he's not gonna be the next most electrifying man in sports entertainment. But not everybody has to be. How many loud-mouthed wisecracking guys do you have room for on a given show. The fact that Benoit can get a standing ovation for a four star match is evidence that a guy can be over without having to make the audience laugh. A serious guy with a purpose can give people a reason to follow him. It's only when the serious guy has no reason to be out there that everyone asks "who gives a shit?" and goes to the bathroom.



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i agree with u on some level but lance did cut a great promo in his ecw days,but hes dcefinitely the most underused talent in the business.i would love to see benoit versus storm.that is a card raw must play eventually.
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Should they? Sure. Will they? No. Lance Storm's been with the company for almost three years now and never have they shown any serious interest in pushing him as an upper card player. I guess that's what happens when you've got a monopoly and access to any wrestler on the continent that you want...it's easier for guys to get lost in the shuffle.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by Cerrita
      Yes, have Benoit cut up Triple H's plub colored shirts.

      And this is so incredably impossible, but I'd die laughing if I saw it- have Benoit cut off H's hair in his sleep. (evil laughter) See how Christian and Test feel!


    To take a page out of SHG's book, in the span of 2 years, he goes from the leather-denim biker jacket to wearing plum. I'm not saying this to be all smarky and I realize his character got tweaked a little in the median, but anyone who's ever had a serious relationship can tell that someone else is dressing him.

    And it's not a knock on Trip or Steph post...this is just what HAPPENS to any guy when they get seriosuly involved/married.

    (edited by Blanket Jackson on 25.2.04 1521)


That has less to do with Stephanie and more to do with Flair, though.




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Every here always makes fantasy bookings and whatnot. Well I have always had a Benoit Fantasy. ....Give him a Wolverine suit, and have him attack backstage sets and grunt allot. Give him a Piper's Pit like show, and just atack everything, mount the Diva's etc. He could definatly do comedy.




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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      I think his delivery has improved. He'll never be a comedy guy, but he sounds a lot more natural when giving his uber-serious promos. Like Eddie Guerrero said, Benoit cuts good promos, in the context of being Chris Benoit.


    At the same time, he can't do what Eddy did a few weeks ago with his "THIS IS MY LIFE, MY FAULTS AND MY DESTINY, MOTHERFUCKER!!" promos. But that's not fair, since those may stand in history as some of the best babyface money promos ever.


I would argue that point, as I still remember the promos he had leading up to RR '03, where he talked about how everything he's ever done has been towards getting that title and how that has been his life's work. I thought those were equally as powerful as the amazing work Eddie has done, only in Eddie's case he has a more powerful backstory to tie into his promo.



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    Originally posted by thatdude21601
    Every here always makes fantasy bookings and whatnot. Well I have always had a Benoit Fantasy. ....Give him a Wolverine suit, and have him attack backstage sets and grunt allot. Give him a Piper's Pit like show, and just atack everything, mount the Diva's etc. He could definatly do comedy.


My eyes are watering with laughter. I'm laughing so hard I snorted really loudly and a lot of other students stared at me. (I'm in the school library.)




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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I couldn't help but wonder....would it have created better storylines had WWE let Guerrero win the Rumble and move to RAW, and set up Benoit in the storyline with Angle on the road to WrestleMania?



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