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#1 Posted on
I just read the results for a RAW "Brand" house show that was in Kelowna, BC. On the card Benoit faced RVD and Eddy Guerrero faced Booker T. Now last time I checked, Benoit and Eddy both just switched to smackdown. So what's up with that? Was it because of the Australian tour? HHH, who's a RAW wrestler was in the main event at the Australian thing, Global Warning or whatever. I guess for int. tours and house shows it just doesn't matter.

This makes my head hurt, and more proof that the brand extension isn't working. I mean airing promos of Kane's return on Smackdown, what's up with that? Is Kane a smackdown wrestler?




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#2 Posted on

    I mean airing promos of Kane's return on Smackdown, what's up with that? Is Kane a smackdown wrestler?


He does wrestle under the WWE banner though.



thecubsfan
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
>This makes my head hurt, and more proof that the brand
>extension isn't working. I mean airing promos of Kane's
>return on Smackdown, what's up with that? Is Kane a
>smackdown wrestler?

Like everyone else, he's a free agent - would you purposefully not air his promos, knowing it could hurt your chances of signing him? [This depends on what you think of Kane, of course.]

You could say "I shouldn't have to figure this out for myself" and I'm not gonna stop you.

And the house show stuff is right but already covered.
EddieBurkett
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#4 Posted on
That is probably due more to poor advance planning on the part of the WWE than it has to do with the failure of the brand extension. If they had known when they were planning and marketing the tour that Benoit and Guerrero would be on Smackdown and HHH and the Anti-Americans would be on Raw, then they could have set it up accordingly. Instead, the last minute jumps have lead to some mixed-crew house shows.

As far as the Kane (and Rey) promos go, they need to explain why a Raw member would be promoted on Smackdown, and vice versa. It could be by decree of Vince. It could be for Steph to attempt to woo Kane. But whatever reason, it needs to be explained. Or maybe we should just assume that while one wrestler cannot wrestle on another show, the shows will talk about each other and even occasionally show footage from the other. I don't see why they can't. After all, it wasn't a complete split that we were given. There's a reason its called a "brand extension" after all. They are extending the brand by creating two seperate rosters, with two seperate people in charge. That's it. Even if its presented in a competitive format (and poorly, at that) nothing was ever said about not mixing footage, or not promoting the other roster's workers. All that we have is that each wrestler is exclusive to a certain show. They've been following that pretty well since they added the any wrestler who shows up on the other show gets suspended stipulation, with the exception of the Rock showing up on the Austin Memorial show, which was an extenuating circumstance.

I just don't see how the brand extension can be labeled a failure. Sure, the television hasn't been as capitivating as it could be in the last few months (although the last few weeks have been better than those prior), but that's not the fault of the brand extension. That's the fault of creative. Would things really be better if we had the same directionless storylines involving the same cast of characters twice a week as opposed to once? HHH could again hold down the entire roster instead of just half. And remember how great the cruiserweight/lightweight division was before it became Smackdown exclusive? Nevermind the fact that there are wrestlers who would never get tv time if the rosters were united.

The main problem is that the WWE needs to better define what a brand extension is, and explain everything that happens with respect to it. Why are promos being aired? What does each GM get as a reward for having the better show? Why did such and such a wrestler jump? But these problems are not the result of a bad brand extension, simply a bad creative team. No matter what the WWE might do to "restart" the company in the future, the worst thing they can do is to get rid of the brand extension.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    >This makes my head hurt, and more proof that the brand
    >extension isn't working. I mean airing promos of Kane's
    >return on Smackdown, what's up with that? Is Kane a
    >smackdown wrestler?

    Like everyone else, he's a free agent - would you purposefully not air his promos, knowing it could hurt your chances of signing him? [This depends on what you think of Kane, of course.]

    You could say "I shouldn't have to figure this out for myself" and I'm not gonna stop you.

    And the house show stuff is right but already covered.



Heh... I'm just picturing Raw and Smackdown trying to one-up each other by producing bigger, better, and more reverent promos for everyone returning from injuries.
StampedeFan23
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#6 Posted on
I wondered this too, after just seeing the house show in Kamloops (see my show report if you care...). I was looking forward to seeing Lance Storm but Chris Benoit will do in a pinch! If they had the foresight to pull Jericho and the UnAmericans from Smackdown house shows, why not Benoit and Eddy from Raw shows? Not that I am complaining or anything...



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#7 Posted on
They did pull Jericho and the UnAmericans from the Smackdown house shows, and Benoit and Eddy from the Raw ones.. the problem is the trip to Australia. Because that's something that has to be planned well in advance, due to work visas or whatever the thing is, all the wrestlers they chose for it (with the exception of Brock, I think) were Smackdown wrestlers at the time. That's why Jericho and the UnAmericans were on that show.. because of that, and not wanting to have really weak Raw house shows for that week, Benoit and Eddy returned to the Raw circuit for one week only (they probably used the excuse "fulfilling contractual obligations" at the actual show, right?). Next week, no one will be outside North America, so it should all be back to normal.
SmooveK
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#8 Posted on
I'm glad that is sorted out. This kind of stuff keeps me up at night!

Also, my burning urinary tract infection!

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Dr. Jay's idea cracked me up. It'd be a little something like this:

SmackDown: “Kane is one of the most dominant wrestlers in the industry!”

RAW: “Rhyno is the most dominant wrestler in the industry!”

SmackDown: “Randy Savage is the best wrestler who ever lived!”

RAW: “Oh, yeah? Well, Chris Kanyon is GOD!”

SmackDown: “You think so? Well, Mike Sanders is BETTER THAN GOD!”

(Stephanie gets struck by lightning and dies instantly, while Bischoff laughs his ass off).



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Dahak
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#10 Posted on
The Australian show messed up the rosters. It is a long trip with a lot of wrestlers. If they sent 20 wrestlers from SD to Australia that would only leave about 10 for SD and Velocity. Of course SD and Velocity were pretty good this last week with the smaller roster so who knows.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Dahak
    The Australian show messed up the rosters. It is a long trip with a lot of wrestlers. If they sent 20 wrestlers from SD to Australia that would only leave about 10 for SD and Velocity. Of course SD and Velocity were pretty good this last week with the smaller roster so who knows.


sd and velocity were taped last sunday for the thursday airing, so all the workers had the whole week to get to australia, do appearances and work the fan festival in the days leading up to the big show. the "smaller roster" was NOT a smaller roster. it was the normal smackdown roster, minus the rock.

i think everything else has been cleared up (chumpstain did a really good job of explaining it all).
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