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Since: 21.11.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
Now that Batista has won the ME spot in Wrestlemania, do you think he will pull the old swerve with HHH and Flair and go after JBL for Smackdown's title, much like Benoit did last year?

RAW has plenty of faces it can move into a ME picutre with HHH: Jericho, Benoit, HBK, Benjamin to name a few. However, Smackdown needs a big time face to hold the title for a while and get some viewers over. Big Show is not a ratings draw and UT is close to retiring. Batista could revitalize the Smackdown ladnscape and with a few movers in the re-draft, Smackdown could be on the way back to respectability.

Of course, you would have to turn a few wrestlers heel to face Batista. The big names coming to mind would be RVD, Big Show and UT. A Big Show/Batista feud would be just as good as Lesnar/Big Show. And of course, there is always Kurt Angle and the legion of jobbers (Orlando Jones, Heidenreich, Luther Reigns etc.)

By keeping Batista on RAW, if he wins, who will he face? A long bad ending feud with HHH is all there is. Edge? I guess so, but HHH will always be involved.

For all involved (WWE, RAW, Smackdown, and Batista), challenging JBL and taking his title at Wrestlemania would be the best route going.

Of course, I know thereis no way this will happen as HHH will want to make sure he stays in a high profile fued againast a popular wreslter and then suck the life out of him and move onto the next flavor.



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Since: 8.5.03
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
I think HHH moves to SD unless the rosters switch a LOT of people. Triple H has already had programs with the major players on RAW (barring Batista and Flair, of course),and the Batista push seems to derail the logical Shelton march to the main event.



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Since: 25.7.04
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.77
As much as I enjoy watching Batista right now, I'm not sure a jump to Smackdown would be a wise idea. He's working like a well oiled machine with RAW's top guys, but he's had months to smooth out the kinks in his own work so that he can hang with those guys.

If you throw him in with all new workers... there's a very, very good chance he would sink rather than swim.

Bottom line is, give Batista at least a few months holding the belt on RAW (and a few openly contending for it as well), so that he can get used to being "The Man" in comfortable surroundings. THEN you can have him jump ship if need be at the next opportune moment.

There are plenty of guys who would be helped by a move to Smackdown... Big Dave just isn't one of them. He has negligible experience working with most of the roster, and that can only be a bad thing methinks.

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Since: 25.4.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.71

He's going to be the big money draw for the next few months. I see them leaving him on RAW, as it is there top show.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
The main problem moving Batista to SD: That means Bradshaw main events Mania.
Batista has had a nice run recently and is over, but one big question I have is whether he can perform at a Mania Main Event level for 20 plus minutes. Trip isn't Benoit or Michaels from last year, so he can't carry Batista to a high quality match on his own. And, this isn't Random PPV in the Fall that he's main eventing either. A sub-par match against Trip at Mania could derail Batista very quickly.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
That's amy point also: a subpar match against HHH will kill him. However, a dominting almost squash-like match against JBL gives Batista that bad ass no nonsense champ edge for Smackdown. No gimmicks just power wrestling. And by 'Mania, EVERYONE will be wanting Batista to kill JBL so a squash match (say 7 minutes) would be sending them home happy. And if you co-main event it with RAW going last (HHH v. Edge v. Orton) then you have a hot crowd going into the last match.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
I want to see Batista beat the holy hell out of Triple H at WrestleMania, as does every fan that popped for Dave last night. Take him out of that hot program, toss him onto Smackdown, and pit him against JBL, and I would be convinced everyone in charge at WWE has gone retarded.



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Since: 21.11.02
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
    Originally posted by GRL
    I want to see Batista beat the holy hell out of Triple H at WrestleMania, as does every fan that popped for Dave last night. Take him out of that hot program, toss him onto Smackdown, and pit him against JBL, and I would be convinced everyone in charge at WWE has gone retarded.


Don't you mean even MORE retarded?



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Since: 22.2.04
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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by GRL
    I want to see Batista beat the holy hell out of Triple H at WrestleMania, as does every fan that popped for Dave last night. Take him out of that hot program, toss him onto Smackdown, and pit him against JBL, and I would be convinced everyone in charge at WWE has gone retarded.


My thoughts exactly. One of the key reasons that Batista is so popula right now is that he is a guy who HHH seems scared to fight. We want to see HHH get beaten by Batista because of their extended history together. Moving him to Smackdown to set up a match with JBL throws all of that out the window.

If I predicted that anybody switches shows between now and Wrestlemania then its gotta HBK, invading Smackdown to get back at Kurt Angle. But thats something for another thread in the future.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by GRL
    I want to see Batista beat the holy hell out of Triple H at WrestleMania, as does every fan that popped for Dave last night. Take him out of that hot program, toss him onto Smackdown, and pit him against JBL, and I would be convinced everyone in charge at WWE has gone retarded.


Unless they decide to have the first roster-spanning stable with Batista recruiting others to Evolution. Which might be kinda fun.

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Since: 17.10.04
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by Wpob
    Now that Batista has won the ME spot in Wrestlemania, do you think he will pull the old swerve with HHH and Flair and go after JBL for Smackdown's title, much like Benoit did last year?


I don't really want to see Batista switch shows, but it'd be awesome if HHH tried to nudge Batista into doing that, acting as if the plan all along was to get both world titles in Evolution. That's Hunter's last chance to convince Batista not to go through with facing him, and he'd be an idiot not to try it.
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I don't really want to see Batista switch shows, but it'd be awesome if HHH tried to nudge Batista into doing that, acting as if the plan all along was to get both world titles in Evolution. That's Hunter's last chance to convince Batista not to go through with facing him, and he'd be an idiot not to try it.


I agree. If HHH does not spend the next couple of weeks trying to talk Batista into going to Smackdown and starting an Evolution stable over there, then he should no longer b e called the Cerebral Assassin.



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Since: 4.1.02
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
They might be able to stretch the Batista-to-Smackdown idea into a storyline for the next couple of weeks, especially since they're running "supershows" where Smackdown will be taped after RAW. Have Vince announce that Batista can appear on Smackdown to get a feel for the show in case he wants to jump, thus giving him some fun side feuds and can create some tension with JBL.

Actually, in my dream scenario, it ends with Batista having a big contract signing on RAW where he'll make his choice. HHH does something like finally snap from the paranoia and attack Big Dave, only to have it revealed that Batista was planning to pick Smackdown all along. Then, of course, Batista goes batshit and signs to remain on Raw.



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Since: 25.4.03
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.71
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    They might be able to stretch the Batista-to-Smackdown idea into a storyline for the next couple of weeks, especially since they're running "supershows" where Smackdown will be taped after RAW. Have Vince announce that Batista can appear on Smackdown to get a feel for the show in case he wants to jump, thus giving him some fun side feuds and can create some tension with JBL.

    Actually, in my dream scenario, it ends with Batista having a big contract signing on RAW where he'll make his choice. HHH does something like finally snap from the paranoia and attack Big Dave, only to have it revealed that Batista was planning to pick Smackdown all along. Then, of course, Batista goes batshit and signs to remain on Raw.


You know, that is a very good idea. Probably the best scenario I've read.
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Since: 3.1.02
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.86
Batista has one glaring flaw: Nobody knows if he can work a long singles match. When you look back at the way he's been booked, he's been protected. First of all, spending most of the first part of his career in a tag team with Ric Flair. Flair is a heat magnet, so Batista gets run-off heat.

Recent Examples of Protective Booking:
-The Elimination Chamber had five other guys (including workrate darlings Jericho & Benoit). Survivor Series had 7 other guys (including Jericho & Benoit). No Mercy had a tag match (with Flair) against Benoit & Regal. SummerSlam's 3-way had Jericho & Edge. Vengeance he faced Jericho. WrestleMania had him with Flair & Orton against Rock & Foley. Rumble '03 had him & Flair against the Dudleyz. Armageddon '03 had him & Flair beating every RAW team after Shawn Michaels beat Batista earlier.

My point? Batista's had tons of more experienced workers (and arguably more talented workers) in just about every match he's been involved in...OR...the match has been designed to make him look awesome (like the La Resistance squash on RAW). It wouldn't be smart to remove Batista from his cocoon so early in his career. Might as well keep him with Benoit, Jericho, Flair, Michaels & the rest of the guys on RAW he's used to working with until he develops more.



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Since: 17.10.04
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Actually, in my dream scenario, it ends with Batista having a big contract signing on RAW where he'll make his choice. HHH does something like finally snap from the paranoia and attack Big Dave, only to have it revealed that Batista was planning to pick Smackdown all along. Then, of course, Batista goes batshit and signs to remain on Raw.


Actually, they should start doing stuff like this every year. Smarks already think it makes a difference which brand gets the Rumble winner (Every year I see discussions like "X Brand won the Rumble last year, so Y Brand has to win it this time or they'll look weak!"), so the GMs might as well take it just as seriously. The Rumble winner essentially becomes a free agent, so have Bischoff and Long bidding against each other to sign him to their respective shows.

Meanwhile the champions would be conspiring to protect their own interests. HHH would surely prefer that Batista go to Smackdown. But they could concievably book it so that JBL actually wants Batista, believing him to be preferable to any of the current Smackdown guys.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
Well, for Batista, you know HHH gets a rematch or three. But then i see them turning Benoit heel so they can have a long program and Benoit can teach him how to really work. That would be a killer feud.

IMO, Batista is ready to hold the title. The people want it, and that's what is important. But what's better, he's improving his game rapidly. Cena, the other top babyface in the making, is hardly improving at all. In fact, his game is devolving, something that should never happen to someone so young.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
The only way I would want to see Batista moved to Smackdown is if he beat the hell out of JBL and Lesnar returned, setting up a "big men who can actually wrestle" feud. However, that's not going to happen.

HHH needs to drop the belt to Batista. The show needs a new champ. I haven't liked HHH in a long while, but in the past couple of weeks, I like his new heel approach. His character is more humorous in his sarcasm and dislike of other wrestlers as opposed to being a loudmothed self-promoter. With this new approach, it might actually compliment Batista's low-key delivery and make for a more interesting feud.

I'm sure if Batista wins, they'll pit him against Orton, too. Right now, Orton is boring as hell to watch. I prefered him much better as an arrogant heel than whatever it is he's playing now. Plus, he's got the REAL "Kiss of Death" with him now, Stacey Keibler, so who knows where that will lead.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
I hope Batista does go to Smackdown as that would be a reason for me to tune in.

A mini fued with JBK and his "Cabinet" after he wins at Wrestlemania would be entertaining and would be a great way to get Batista further over with the Smackdown crowd.

After JBL, he could work with Angle, Big Show and UT, not to mention Lesnar if he returns. Also, if RVD or Eddie go heel, that would be a solid feud too.

Over on Raw, what we are staring at is a three to five month feud with HHH until HHH sucks all the momentum out of Batista and moves on to someone else. Then Batista is stuck in a mid card craptacular feud with Orton or Christian.

Move him, Benoit and Jericho to Smackdown and send Undertaker and Cena over to RAW.



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