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Eddie you are absolutely right on every thing you have said. The players have only one option to prevent the owners from setting their own rules. Yes they should have all the rights of being a union member to strike as a group in order to get a more advantageous collective bargaining agreement.

However, as so much of the game as relates to professional sports is public opinion, are they cutting off their nose to spite their face? At what point does attempting to maxmimize your wages and your percentage of revenues in the short term begin to do long term damage to the industry in which you are employed. Because unlike most other union workers, if they cripple their industry or their employer, they can't go into a related line of work, as there's not a lot of other people willing to pay someone 10 million dollars for having excellent hand-eye coordination or fast twitch shoulder muscles. They are in a fragile industry and regardless of whether they are in the right either morally or legally, there is no way to win a public relations war when your worst case scenario should the owners take control of the collective bargaining would likely keep the average salary in your industry in the seven figures.

I am not saying the owners are not to blame, as they are a lying conniving group of billionaires who hate each other as much as they hate the players union. But in the end I think the players have a lot more to lose here. Not a lot of owners have their full living coming from baseball. How many players can say the same? At what point does capitulation become a good option when that capitulation will still keep you in the top 0.1% of the country economically?



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#22 Posted on
One of the main problems, and believe me there are too many problems in baseball to take the time to list, but,

One of the main problems is that some owners are in it not to win any games, but to make money and feed their egos.
A guy like the Florida owner doesn't give a crap how many games his team wins. He just wants to put asses in the seats and keep the tickets selling. He won't spend money on players salaries.

This is why Revenue Sharing is a joke. If Steinbrenner gives out $20 million to some poor owner pleading poverty. That owner will take the money, put it in his pocket, and continue to use the same minor league scrubs as before. They won't put anything into players salaries.

These small-market teams should all be contracted.
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Revenue sharing is the key. Unless local money is divided properly, no salary cap will matter.

Along with the salary cap, however, their needs to be a salary "floor", at which all team payrolls must be maintained. This goes to the heart of an owner who would just wish to turn a profit.



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I agree the players need power, but think of all the fans they disapoint, getting rid of the fanbase that feeds them? We all have jobs and so do they, and they should have rights too, but a professional athlete is a little different I think. I don't see how they could love the game and jump for joy at being able to play it. Scab games would suck for a while, but if they train like hell over the offseason, you never know what could happen (they probably would still suck though).



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I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?



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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

    What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?


This is coming from someone who has probably hit a good 100 or so White Sox games over the last 15 years or so. I swear with God as my witness if they strike I will never directly give the White Sox organization another dime as long as I live. I will watch games on cable, since I will be paying for it regardless, and I'm not a Nielsen family, but I will never buy merchandise, go to games, any of that. And I truly think I'm not alone on that one. Each strike brings a further erosion of the fanbase, and this one I think will wash a large chunk of the fanbase away.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

    What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?



but of course
i would get back into baseball if they cut the games to under 100 a year...162 games is more than i care to watch.

team has a 7 game losing streak to open the season? no problem, there are 155 games left!

have 6 vs 4 div teams (24 games, for the O's in the AL east, 3 home/away)
have 4 vs other 9 League teams (36 games, 2 home/away)
have 2 vs 16 inter-league (32, 1 home/away)
total? 92 games....that would work for me...but you'd need an even amount of teams per div and league...



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#28 Posted on

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

    What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?



I dunno, wrestling?



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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by Guru Zim

      Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

      What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?



    I dunno, wrestling?



Well, considering Football has started, I don't think us sports fanatics will be that starved. Baseball better think of that before going on strike. Besides the talks they had this week make it sound like they may come to an agreement and avoid a strike anyway.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I think, fortunately or unfortunately, the fans will come back as they always have.

    What ELSE are you going to watch in the middle of summer? Soccer?



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#31 Posted on
Great Outdoor Games?

Actually, I have virtually watched no baseball (I don't want them to even get advertising dollars off me) since the last strike (that really pissed me off), and have managed. That is what will create change, IMHO. It's time the fans go on strike.

And I agree with Tinman, by Sept. 16 football will be in full swing, so baseball won't be missed by many sports fans.
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Even in the middle of summer, there are still plenty of sporting events to watch. If you're a real sports junkie, you can find them. They're all over ESPN. I've watched Sumo Wrestling, Women's Volleyball, and, yes, even the Great Outdoor Games.

And if push comes to shove, you can always flip it over to Classic and watch old NFL, NHL, etc.

There's plenty out there.



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Funny column in the Globe today with Dan S. talking to Nomah. What do you get a million-dollar ballplayer that's engaged to Mia Hamm? http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/204/sports/ Words_don_t_do_justice_for_Garciaparra+.shtml
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