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Since: 11.7.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.09
Yep...it's done. If they really do walk out on September 16th, that will probalby be the end for Major L:eague Baseball. Thank god that I have five minor league teams within an hour's drive; they probably will survive(several of them flourished in '94).

I'm more pissed that I have tickets to the O's-Red Sox game on my birthday that it looks like I won't get to use.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
I am surprised that the wisdom of the Major Leagues didn't win out and they picked September 11th?!!!

EDIT:: MLB and MLBPA are a bunch of idiots!!!


(edited by haz on 22.7.02 1542)


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Since: 3.1.02
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If it does go through, I at least hope that all parties involved won't be stupid enough to shoot off a Patrick Ewing-esque line about the strike being a "struggle to put food on the table," or some such nonsense. Damn, I'm pissed now.





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Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
i like BucsFans suggestion that just scrap next year and try to get their act together [drug testing/rev sharing/salary cap...and the like]




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Since: 2.1.02
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No big deal, really. We'll be two weeks into the NFL.

It's the joy of being a Cubs fan -- baseball never interferes with football season!



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Since: 7.2.02
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Well, at least I get to see Fenway on August 11th before the sport dies.





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Since: 3.1.02
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#7 Posted on
I just wish it was sooner...like, say, tomorrow?

Baseball sucks. This year has ruined it for me, used to be my favorite sport, now I'm just waiting for Bengals camp to start.



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What other option do the players have though? Their only bargaining position has to be to set a strike date. The owners have all the odds stacked in their favor.

Okay, I am not going to get sucked into this.



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chazerizer
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Since: 11.7.02
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You'd think that would be the case, but it obviously isn't. Look at what happened the last time. The owners got basically nothing that was needed, and the players keep getting huge salaries. And the fans got screwed.

Anyway, I'm hoping it can be avoided. All these f***ing baseball players need to realize that thry're really nothing more than overpriced prima donnas who work for the fans.

Just as a side note, the player representative for the Pirates denied that date in a press conference yesterday. I'm not 100% sure I believe him, but...
Scott Summets
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I don't get these guys. The get paid millions for doing something they should love, something many of us (me for instance) played for years for free because WE LOVED THE DAMN GAME! And tons of players just want to bitch and whine and strike. I say bring up a bunch of the single A guys who still aren't pricks and want to play.



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Eddie Famous
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Since: 11.12.01
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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    I don't get these guys. The get paid millions for doing something they should love, something many of us (me for instance) played for years for free because WE LOVED THE DAMN GAME! And tons of players just want to bitch and whine and strike. I say bring up a bunch of the single A guys who still aren't pricks and want to play.


Remember the NFL Scab games? Pitiful.

It is amazing how many people believe that just because someone makes more money than them (in this case MUCH more) that they should lose their rights as a union employee.

And maybe we played because we loved the game, but no way would tens of thousands of people pay to watch us do it.

The owners have all the cards but one. The players either walk out or lose their only bargaining chip. They would be STUPID not to walk out at this point.



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"As long as the rivers flow"
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Since: 2.1.02
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous

      Originally posted by Scott Summets
      I don't get these guys. The get paid millions for doing something they should love, something many of us (me for instance) played for years for free because WE LOVED THE DAMN GAME! And tons of players just want to bitch and whine and strike. I say bring up a bunch of the single A guys who still aren't pricks and want to play.


    Remember the NFL Scab games? Pitiful.

    It is amazing how many people believe that just because someone makes more money than them (in this case MUCH more) that they should lose their rights as a union employee.

    And maybe we played because we loved the game, but no way would tens of thousands of people pay to watch us do it.

    The owners have all the cards but one. The players either walk out or lose their only bargaining chip. They would be STUPID not to walk out at this point.



the difference between them and us is a few million $$$ and they play a game, and most of us have jobs [meaning we work, not play a game, and yes, i know playing sports is hard "work"]



"You can't fire a gun in a confined space! What are you tring to do, make us deaf?!"
"Just get out of the chopper."
"What?"
"Get out of the chopper!"
"The crops!?" - Jack Lemmon and James Garner, "My Fellow Americans", and the reason I say "The crops?" instead of "Huh?"
R-D-Z
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Since: 11.12.01
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by rikidozan
    the difference between them and us is a few million $$$ and they play a game, and most of us have jobs [meaning we work, not play a game, and yes, i know playing sports is hard "work"]



So your job is "better" than theirs somehow? A job is a job whether it's singing opera or slinging hash.

I'm not advocating feeling sorry for the players OR the owners, I'm merely pointing out the facts.



George Washington gave his signature
The Government gave its hand
They said for now and ever more that this was Indian Land

"As long as the moon shall rise"
"As long as the rivers flow"
"As long as the sun will shine"
"As long as the grass shall grow"


SerWolfe
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And the facts seem to point that the game is royally screwed rt now. The players want more money? Which will in turn raise the prices screwing us fans. If the owners dont win some concessions.... or if the players actually do walk (whoa..... a couple hundred thou a year isn't enough for the average player?)... then the game is done. The fans cant take much more.



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Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous

      Originally posted by rikidozan
      the difference between them and us is a few million $$$ and they play a game, and most of us have jobs [meaning we work, not play a game, and yes, i know playing sports is hard "work"]



    So your job is "better" than theirs somehow? A job is a job whether it's singing opera or slinging hash.

    I'm not advocating feeling sorry for the players OR the owners, I'm merely pointing out the facts.



my job ain't better, but because they make a ton of cash for playing a game, the can be easily rediculed and it's very hard to come to their defense [Oh, i only get $10 million a year, i'm holding out...]

it's a sideways take on that old joke that one can only make jokes about White heterosexuals, because no one will take it too seriously nor come to their defense

i honestly think baseball will fold, and not too many people will care because there are too many things wrong with the players, the management, union, Selig...




"You can't fire a gun in a confined space! What are you tring to do, make us deaf?!"
"Just get out of the chopper."
"What?"
"Get out of the chopper!"
"The crops!?" - Jack Lemmon and James Garner, "My Fellow Americans", and the reason I say "The crops?" instead of "Huh?"
R-D-Z
AWArulz
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Since: 28.1.02
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    Originally posted by SerWolfe
    And the facts seem to point that the game is royally screwed rt now. The players want more money? Which will in turn raise the prices screwing us fans. If the owners dont win some concessions.... or if the players actually do walk (whoa..... a couple hundred thou a year isn't enough for the average player?)... then the game is done. The fans cant take much more.


I don't think there is much left unless they make an NFL-like decision. Share ALL the TV money. Share all the Merchendising (sp). Make a franchise play spot. Salary cap the rest. Go to Drug testing like the NFL.

Otherwise it's the damn Yankees every year and I am sick and tired of seeing it.

And I'm impartial. It's not like MY team will ever win a series. They wouldn't be helped by this. (Cubs)




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The problem is that the TV money is skewed. Teams like the Braves who own cable stations charge low TV fees to the teams and show the profit on the cable stations books.

The whole revenue side needs to be fixed before they can repair the expense side. Unfortunately, that won't happen anytime soon.



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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous

      Originally posted by Scott Summets
      I don't get these guys. The get paid millions for doing something they should love, something many of us (me for instance) played for years for free because WE LOVED THE DAMN GAME! And tons of players just want to bitch and whine and strike. I say bring up a bunch of the single A guys who still aren't pricks and want to play.


    Remember the NFL Scab games? Pitiful.

    It is amazing how many people believe that just because someone makes more money than them (in this case MUCH more) that they should lose their rights as a union employee.

    And maybe we played because we loved the game, but no way would tens of thousands of people pay to watch us do it.

    The owners have all the cards but one. The players either walk out or lose their only bargaining chip. They would be STUPID not to walk out at this point.



Thanks for having my back, Eddie!



He's Rolie Polie Olie - and in his world of curves and curls, he's the swellest kid around.
ges7184
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Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

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#19 Posted on
IMHO, the NFL scab games is what ended the strike that year.

It gave NFL players that didn't agree with the strike something to return to (which they did, I remember Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and I believe Roger Craig, all crossed the pickett line, as well as many others). Also, while the games weren't very good at first, they got better every week. And as they did, the fans started slowly returning to the games. This was progress that the NFLPA couldn't afford. I mean, what would have happened if fans returned anywhere close to the numbers that would attend regular games? The value, or lack thereof, of many of the players would have been obvious. So I think it shorten what may have otherwise been a season-ending strike.

As far as rights as a union worker go, I think everyone agrees that union workers have the right to strike. But is it right to strike? That's the question. It's hard to feel that players that average $2 million a year are getting screwed that badly by ownership.

Another thing to point out is that the players do have value while thousands are willing to pay to see them. However, what happens when that is no longer the case? The players become as valuable as you or me, right? That's the risk they run if they strike. In my opinion, baseball really never fully recovered from the last strike. There are several teams that have trouble drawing bigger crowds than minor-league teams. How valuable are the players on those teams? Another strike should be another blow to the all ready dwindling audience for baseball.

Eddie Famous
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Since: 11.12.01
From: Catlin IL

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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    IMHO, the NFL scab games is what ended the strike that year.


    *Possibly.


    It gave NFL players that didn't agree with the strike something to return to (which they did, I remember Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and I believe Roger Craig, all crossed the pickett line, as well as many others).

    *Rat bastards all. The picket-crossers were the money-greedy a-holes that eventually helped sell out and compromise the NFL union.

    Also, while the games weren't very good at first, they got better every week.

    *Hah? What were you watching?

    And as they did, the fans started slowly returning to the games. This was progress that the NFLPA couldn't afford. I mean, what would have happened if fans returned anywhere close to the numbers that would attend regular games?

    *That would not have happened IMO.


    As far as rights as a union worker go, I think everyone agrees that union workers have the right to strike. But is it right to strike? That's the question. It's hard to feel that players that average $2 million a year are getting screwed that badly by ownership. Another thing to point out is that the players do have value while thousands are willing to pay to see them. However, what happens when that is no longer the case? The players become as valuable as you or me, right?


    *This is not the point. There is NO collective bargaining agreement. If the owners decide not to negotiate one and the players don't strike, the owners will be able to use whatever rules they wish, without the players' consent.



    George Washington gave his signature
    The Government gave its hand
    They said for now and ever more that this was Indian Land

    "As long as the moon shall rise"
    "As long as the rivers flow"
    "As long as the sun will shine"
    "As long as the grass shall grow"


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