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|  #21 Posted on 30.7.02 0114.25 | Instant Rating: 7.33 | As a chronic baseball junkie, I am a SUCKER for stats.
Myself, when I played, I measured how I was doing for hitting by using; Batting Average, On Base Percentage, Strikeout rate, and Total Bases. Mind you I was (and am not) a power hitter. If I was, I'd probably aim for a different stat.
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|  #22 Posted on 30.7.02 0913.07 | Instant Rating: 8.21 |
But TR, Clemens is more valuable than Maddux in that he gives you more innings pitched. That is valuable in that someone else doesn't have to come in to relieve him. By definition, more innings is better than less innings. So if Clemens and Maddux were exactly the same pitcher (which I know they're not, but humor me) and Clemens pitched 10% more innings, that would make him 10% more valuable.
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| #23 Posted on 30.7.02 1051.01 | Right, but no one today throws 350 innings like Sandy Koufax, so how could you expect Greg Maddux to? If Maddux leads the league in innings, presumably that means it wasn't an option to replace him with someone who threw more innings, and arguably, that is the relevant thing. James would probably say that in modern baseball, there are more pitchers, each individual one is worth less, and that's just how it is. I dunno though. It would practically be impossible for a modern pitcher to lead the league in Win Shares. But, even with innings pitched and complete games being a lot lower, a starting pitcher still does face more hitters than an everyday player faces pitchers. I'm not sure about this, but James hasn't really won me over to his side either.
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| #24 Posted on 30.7.02 1905.35 | Instant Rating: 7.33 | I'd rather have a pitcher who has an efficiant pitch count (Maddux), gives up very few runs (Maddux), and rarely walks people (Maddux) over someone who pitches a lot of innings.
In case y'all haven't noticed, I still stand by my earlier comments in another thread that Maddux is the best pitcher in history =)
Anyway, for pitchers there's just as many stats you need to keep an eye on. Innings is one, but so are walks, K's, performance in later inngins, etc, etc.
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