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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Orton. Orton Orton Orton. What are we to do with you? You try to cut a mega-heel promo and you can't gracefully do it. Nice try, but you look to hesitant on the mic. You're walking through the crowd. After working with Flair for, what, a year, you should know by now to randomly stop preaching, spot some by-stander, mock him and move on. This is fundamental heel material.


    Matt Tracker, Matt Tracker, let me, let me ask YOU a question. Why does he need to say everything twice? Just why does he need to say everything twice, that's what I want to know. That's what I want to know, okay?


Hell, even I noticed that the fat guy with the fake belt over his shoulder (standing near the blonde plant) was a perfect target for a Flair-style outburst.

Anyway, Keller is claiming that Orton's slip while climbing the turnbuckles was deliberate. But then, Keller also gives the main event ****1/4 ...



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
It was a hour long Raw. Nothing happened. One title change and that was the women's title. Nothing major happened minus Eugue and Benoit/Kane, it wasn't even entertaining. Do not pick up the replay, don't even bother buying it on DVD, it was awful.

Orton and Benjamin obviously can't work together, because this is my vote for worse match of the year. They missed too many spots, their was no flow to the match and even the coolest scene of the match the figure-four/northern lights pin was ruined by Orton kicking out. If they think Orton is the future of this company, they might as well file chapter 11 now.

HHH vs HBK, I keep hearing out everyone said it was just a little slow, but still good. No it was dull and had the typical HHH goes over, because the fans really want to see him headline another major PPV like SummerSlam. Its starting to piss me off with HHH always winning, he is the bad guy, he is supposed to lose the blow-off match, reading Wrestling for Dummies 101.

Raw has built up a lot of goodwill since Wrestlemania, I honestly have enjoyed the product til last night. I am startingt to see another reset to the bad old days of Raw with HHH having the belt and everyone else being buried around him.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    I'm glad and surprised Hunter won, but I worry about where they each go from here. Who else can they feud with? Who else on RAW is established enough to make a subsequent PPV match inticing?

HBK still owes Benoit a high profile 1-on-1 job. Benoit looks like he'll either a) continue a program w/ Kane, or b) feud w/ a heel Edge. Option (a) is probably what is going to happen, but I'd prefer a Benoit/HBK feud before an Edge feud, but I doubt that's the way they go. Provided Benoit retains the belt long enough (HHH's movie is on hold...), a feud w/ HBK would be logical. Of course, what HBK does until then is still left in the air. Supposedly, he's taking time off (6 weeks?) to be w/ his pregnant wife, and when he comes back Benoit will still be tied up in other feuds.

I have no idea what HHH will be doing.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.26
I believe we all know that the move is called the "Flying Jalepena", not the flying burrito.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by InYourMouth
    I believe we all know that the move is called the "Flying Jalepena", not the flying burrito.
Depends on if you're talking about Tito Santana or Manny Fernandez. I'm a "Raging Bull" guy myself.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.70
    Originally posted by A Fan
    HHH vs HBK, I keep hearing out everyone said it was just a little slow, but still good. No it was dull and had the typical HHH goes over, because the fans really want to see him headline another major PPV like SummerSlam. Its starting to piss me off with HHH always winning, he is the bad guy, he is supposed to lose the blow-off match, reading Wrestling for Dummies 101.

    Raw has built up a lot of goodwill since Wrestlemania, I honestly have enjoyed the product til last night. I am startingt to see another reset to the bad old days of Raw with HHH having the belt and everyone else being buried around him.
HHH’s singles record since the Royal Rumble:

4 wins (Spike, via pinfall; Tajiri, via pinfall; Benjamin, via DQ; Michaels, via pinfall)
3 losses (Benoit, via submission; Benjamin, via pinfall; Benjamin, via countout)

He also has two no-decisions against Michaels (Double countout at the Royal Rumble) and Eddie Guerrero (no contest due to schmoz) and has been involved in a number of tag matches in which his side usually lost. And while he didn’t exactly lose the match at Backlash, that wasn’t a notch in his win column, either.

Yeah, he’s really been dominating. Look how strong he looks to have clean pinfall wins over both Spike AND Tajiri!
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.54
I enjoyed what I saw, especially the Orton-Benjamin match. I'm hoping it was the fact that I was watching the replay at 1:30ish, because I fell asleep several times during the Hell in the Cell.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.78
I am sorry but if you can't count him losing to Benoit at Backlash since he didn't actually get pin or tapped out. So, if we review again, he has two loses against a guy, one of them being a countout victory who just got jobbed out to Randy Orton. Yeah, he is really being a team player. That is why he has headlined all of the Raw PPVS since the split even this one where he wasn't even champion. If you want to look at stats thats great, but if you want to look at what is actually going on then be my guess. They continue to build around HHH even though he is nowhere near the title until last night where he will headline SummerSlam or Vengance, maybe even both. Then, he will get the title back and job out Edge, Benoit, Shelton and anyone else not currently sleeping witht the boss' daughter.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.70
    Originally posted by A Fan
    I am sorry but if you can't count him losing to Benoit at Backlash since he didn't actually get pin or tapped out.
Like I said before, I wasn't counting him losing to Benoit at Backlash. That wasn't a win, but it wasn't a loss either. I was talking about HHH's clean tap-out loss to Benoit at Wrestlemania XX (remember that one?). HHH's singles record remains at 4 wins, 3 losses since the Royal Rumble at the start of the year.

And yeah, Benjamin lost to Orton last night. But it was a flukey loss with a handful of tights involved after Benjamin had Orton beat clean, and only shenanigans from Ric Flair prevented Orton from getting pinned after that powerslam. The feud itself is still far from over, and Benjamin's hardly any worse for the loss.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
I found the whole show to be extremely boring and the Hell in the Cell to be infinitely boring, probably the worst of all of their confrontations save the 3 stages of lame match from Armageddon past. Perhaps they are at their best when the gimmick is simple. The cell was completely useless here. They just replayed some of their greatest hits (with the weakest spot ever to get a "holy shit" chant ever - Shawn falls 3 feet onto a table limply and this is amazing? - Vince has to be happy the fans have been so conditioned against high spots, though) and laid around a lot to make it epic. Blah. Benoit/Kane and Eugene/Coach were the high spots, and they weren't particularly high.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
I thought Bad Blood was good, to great. One major reason for this is that they did not use old wrestling cliches. Hunter, surprisingly, went over Michaels, in what i feel was the right choice. Benoit went over Kane in a brilliantly thought out ending, after a VERY good match. They figured out the only way to have Benoit retain, look strong, and have Kane lose, and look strong. Trish has grown well into her role as a heel, and the women's belt will perhaps gain some meaning again with her holding it.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
I liked the PPV, as there were no bad matches, but I didn't think anything was great either. Benoit v. Kane was really good, as was Benoit/Edge v. La Resistance. I didn't think either were Benoit's normal PPV outings, but I thought both matches were more than acceptable. I guess Kane can be wiped off the list of opponents that Benoit can't carry to a decent match. Billy Gunn is the sole man on that thing now.

Shelton Benjamin v. Randy Orton was actually my personal favorite match of the night. I just thought it was really fun to watch, and it's amazing that two years ago both these guys were still in OVW.

Jericho v. Tomko and the women's match were both... eh. Neither were good, but I didn't think they were BAD either. Coach v. Eugene was the worst match of the night, but it was all comedy, and that's all it was ever supposed to be, so you can't really blame them.

I liked the Hell in a Cell match. However, I didn't think it was a classic match either. It was good, but not great. The end just seemed to drag on forever, as it was just Shawn and Hunter laying on the mat selling the brutality of the match. Good match, but slow and boring in spots.

The star of the night, IMO, had to be Jim Ross. The guy was totally on his A-game during the Hell in a Cell. I didn't think the match was a classic, but JR sure did a hell of a job trying to convince me otherwise.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
-Batista vs. Maven- Someone watched SD RVD/Cena match when RVD jumped off the turnbuckle to be met with a clothesline... This time Maven jumped off the top rope to be met with stiff forearm to the face. Batista Bomb for the finish.

-Benoit/Edge vs. La Resistance- "Robeierre" has frenchie facial hair. Benoit suplex one La Rez member onto the other. La Rez has control over Edge for alot of the match. They build some hints of trouble between the babyfaces with some semi miscommunication between them... But got on the same page and Benoit got the crossface on Conway but Kane makes an appearance and destroys the babyfaces setting up the main event (ah I guess non-main event World title match)

-Jericho vs. Tomko- It's your basic quick guy vs. power guy match. I did like Tomko's razor's edge into a backbreaker move. Jericho was hitting his quicker moves & Tomko looked to be in position. I suspect a lot of houseshow reports we're just jumping on his case as he looked at least competent in there... I don't know how much WWE expects from him, losing in his first match and didn't even bother giving him his own music even generic guitar rift.

-Orton vs. Benjamin- These guys worked much better then their previous Raw match. They had a good technical match but then went into a face to face slugfest that came off really well. Benjer Splash on Orton and Flair (props to J.R for saying Flair has been on the other end of that move in his career)... How much respect does Flair have as the fans booo Benjamin for daring to do the Figure 4 on Flair, I thought Orton walking into the small package was IT. The biggest disappointment was the finish, the rollover of a crossbody is a let down finish. But hey props to these guys for a nice match which I think I liked more then most.

-Stratus vs. Victoria vs. Kim vs. Lita- Everyone stares at Trish (hey what's their deal) Trish rolls out LoL. Tomko broke up a Lita pin attempt on Trish and Tomko gets thrown out (that's a first, ref catches cheating). I was impressed with Gail, her submission style is much better then her high flying style, with talent like Victoria & Trish, good for Gail ability to make herself notice for the right reasons. Ouch Trish took a hard slap from Gail. Trish didn't get much offense but took most of the bumps but got back just in time to break up pins and eventually rolls Lita up for the win!... Surprised the heck out of me, but not a bad move. WWE cannot waste this on hotshoting to another girl quickly. I think Trish needs a "Steph-like" reign for a few months at least, get heat on the title and at that time build Victoria or a current heel turned face to challenge her to give a rub on someone who needs it.

-Eugene vs. Coachman- Eugene rolling in a ball and "outsmarting" Coach to go to him was nice. Coach running the ropes for 30 seconds after Eugene is outside talking to a fan was not. Rock bottom and People Elbow for the Eugene win... Cade came out and received a sloppy Stunner and so did Coach. Boy did it look like Regal was setting a turn on Eugene after the match but they let Eugene enjoy his PPV win.

-Benoit vs. Kane- This was Match of the Night for me. They worked the match almost perfectly. Benoit trying to slowly go after Kane's legs or arms. Kane overpowering out of every grapple situation. Kane picking up Benoit upside onto his shoulder and hitting the snakeeyes on Benoit was impressive. I like the finish a lot. Kane going for the flying clothesline from the top being caught by Benoit into the crossface. Kane once again overpowers, Benoit switches sides, Kane still powering out as Benoit uses his brain & quickly rolls up Kane for the 3 (and one of the few times that a roll up finish doesn't seem lazy)... After watching it even more sad they didn't give it the respect of a build that it deserved. I wonder if Kane and Lita will console eachother after their title matches lose.

-HHH vs. HBK- I have to agree with Shapiro. This match did represent this feud, too long and self-serving. It's like a 140-minute movie stretched out to a 3-hours just so the director can say he made a "3-hour epic". This match could have been a solid half hour match, but I found myself disinterested at times. I think you can get away with a 45-minute technical match that's build but in a gimmicked brutality match with blading in the first 5-minutes anything over half an hour is pushing the believable boundaries... HBK did sell his back well. He took a scary looking back bodydrop on the outside. HBK actually looked pretty good in there. But they used very little of the actual cage and just as little imagination, which is not surprising as they wrestled SO MANY times in big settings, but still a negative. They had good drama and storytelling in it but actual substance didn't match the time given.

-OtherStuff- A few backstage stuff, I don't think it hurt the flow too much, just seemed like more stuff going on backstage then usual... Eugene asks Bischoff "why doesn't he like him" Bischoff says he does like him he's just worried that Eugene would get hurt... Backstage Orton interview didn't really work for me in the ring it got a bit better, too bad he slipped on the turnbuckle, Orton fears turnbuckles I guess...

Oh poor Matt, seeing him backstage screaming "I'm here to watch my girlfriend wrestle" Oh Matty, remember when you broke out of the shadow, those were fun times. It is summer time I guess he enjoys the shade... I didn't mind the idea of the Benoit analysis of the match, but the delivery was all wrong as Benoit just repeated himself over and over again. Plus it's a bad idea when you keep promoting yourself as "For real" was it seems like you are trying to convince something that isn't the case. Throwing it out there once is fine, twice iffy. 3 or 4 times, not good.

-Line Of the Night: Ross "Flair has certainly been on the receiving end of that move in his career"- When Benjamin Stinger splash Flair
-Sign of the Night: "All hail JBL" - controversal, yes. Topical well yes as well. Shocked they didn't take it away.
-3Stars of the Night: 1)Benoit. 2)Kane. 3)Michaels.

As for brand only PPV's go. Not too bad of a showing, I'd actual put it the good-very good category. I liked the World title match alot. I thought the IC was better then expected. The tag title match was okay. The Women match even though short(under-5 min) had a decent go to it. Y2J/ Tomko was average therefore better then most expected to be. Eugene/Coach wasn't good but it was more of just getting Eugene on TV which isn't all that bad at this stage of his career... HITC, I respect they went in there for 45-minutes. But I thought it would be better, they could have done it in 30 and not lose any of the drama of the in ring story and wouldn't have the 15 minutes of added on time that it seemed to have. The more I think of it the World title should have been in the Main as HITC match certainly wasn't so spectacular therefore nothing can follow it as I'm guessing the participants thought it was.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Net Hack Slasher, I also caught that J.R. reference to Sting/Flair matches. I was absolutely thrilled. I guess that goes to show what a mark I am for WCW and Sting.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
I thought it was a good PPV. There wasn't anything I thought was bad, & some things that were very, very good.

I was having trouble not laughing at the glurpy-gloop bubbling blood noise, every time they showed the logo.

Rho-behr's facial hair is bad, & I swear he was wearing some weird eye makup & had done something odd to his eyebrows. (If you're going to go camp, go Rico all the way.) Makes his face look fat besides.

La Res vs. Edge/Benoit was good, & had all sorts of nice little touches. The Edge/Benoit tease is very well done so far. Sly has definitely gotten better. Lawler's suggestion that Benoit was deliberately letting Edge take all the beating was a nice touch. (Occasionally he does say something cogent. Not nearly as often as "puppies", but occasionally.) Edge's double suplex was very slick. I was fine with the no-contest, under the circumstances.

Triple H is still Eugene's favourite wrestler. Eric, hypotheticals are going to be lost on Eugene. :-)

Jericho vs Tomko was not awful at all. Jericho orchestrated everything & Tomko followed along perfectly capably. (I disagree with the comparisons to the guys who didn't have the skills to do that much!) Tomko's character is "bodyguard" -- I expect him to look a little clumsy in a wrestling match with a smaller, wily veteran. I found it perfectly enjoyable to watch.

I really liked Randy's opening promo, leading to the walk-out through the crowd, etc. I think he did very well with the promo-ing, & thought that unusual progression was really interesting. He did stop to give the chick in the front row a look, which was good. I didn't think he got at all rattled by the trip going up the ropes, which is a great improvement. (Shit does happen, occasionally.)

So, who was the chick in the front row? a) Coincidence? b) Diva contestant? c) Wife / girlfriend?

Shelton needs a little help/support in his face-ness. Randy's achieved that "partially-over heel" status, & Shelton really needs to be just a little more popular with the fans.

Shelton & Randy's ringwork is very good. That's a pretty high-profile rivalry to hand over to 2 less-experienced guys -- they're doing well. Good match.

When I finally saw Heat (Well after the fact. JR, please remember that most of the country doesn't get Heat til after the PPV has started!), they had a shot of Matt & Lita WALKING & chatting. You couldn't hear what they were saying, but there just a little bit of odd business where Lita dropped back behind Matt (just a step) & looked kinda distateful at him. Might just have been a bad burrito, I suppose.

Victoria did not dance! Yea! I can live with one hip-roll, & the stripper warmup pants work fine.

Is Victoria the only one who can take that wicked-looking standing submission move of Gail's? I don't recall seeing her use it on anybody else. I thought this was good, although short. I'm also hoping to get the psycho Victoria back because of it!

Wonderful bit of fun with Eugene. We can have a fun match & wrestling together! Coach frustrated & annoyed is definitely less annoying than Coach smug. Very fun break.

I say Benoit vs. Kane was excellent. Possibly the best match I've ever seen Kane work (which is also a significant compliment to Chris). Perfect pacing, excellent story & match progression. Interesting throughout, & not at any point a no-brainer who was going to win. Hey, maybe Benoit is For Real after all. (Where have I heard that phrase recently? :-) )

I also really liked the idea of having Grisham interview Chris straight out of the ring. But ... he didn't get an interview with Kane? :-)

Hunter & Shawn. It was very good. It was a lot of stuff that we've seen already. One of the problems with each successive match going further than the previous one is that, in each match, you have to get back to the point that you were in the last match, in order to surpass it. That's problematic. If this is really "the last one", then it's a fine conclusion. I think I prefer "the first one" (Was that SummerSlam '02?), but this will work. (It was kinda sad that, while HHH has his stable to come retrieve him after the match, Shawn didn't have any friends at all.) It was certainly good though.
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