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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
...and no more.

Tajiri v Kidman: Tajiri is probably the only cruiserweight most of the fans recognize. Until more cruisers arrive, Tajiri & Kidman will be charged with keeping the division alive; so might as well change the belt over to keep the feud going.

Hall v Bradshaw: The nWo needed the win to remain viable.

Jazz v Trish: Reasonable, for a women's match. Enough action to keep the division looking somewhat respectable.

Lesnar v Hardy: Everyone knew this would be a nasty squash. I for one liked the ending - a ref stop to keep Lesnar from powerbombing Hardy over and over again. Adds a level of nastiness to Lesnar, and (in my opinion) these brutal squashes go more towards establishing the character of Lesnar than any Goldberg-esque "winning streak".

Angle v Edge: It's been said that Edge needed the win to keep from being another "King Ass". You know what? It's too late - courtesy of WWF booking since the last KOTR, Edge has *already* become another "King Ass". A win here would not have changed anything. If anything, I think the writers are beginning to mull a timeline that would reunite Edge and Christian, since neither has become a break-out singles star - currently, they are *both* Marty Janetty.

Guerrero v RVD: RVD didn't need the belt to be over. Guerrero needed something to help put him in front of the masses. Simply put, Edd(ie/y) needed the belt more.

Undertaker v Austin: I'll withold my final decision until after the likely RAW Rematch. An Undertaker/Hogan feud would not surprise me, though - two old-timers looking for that last moment in the sun.

Chuck & Billy v Team Tough Enough: Face it, the Butt Brothers are going to hold the Titles until more tag teams are established. Team Tough Enough really had no chance here.

Hogan v HHH: Whether we like it or not, the fans/marks currently LOVE Hogan (most likely due to nostalgia). Vince McMahon, who hired Hogan in the first place - likely with the condition that he (Hogan) receive one more title run - knows full well that the masses will eventually turn on Hogan, and he must recoup his investment in Hogan while he can. Therefore, he struck while the iron was still hot and gave Hogan his Title run while he's still popular. HHH is still young enough (relatively) that he can have future Title runs. Hogan will have his last hurrah, and likely drop the belt by KOTR.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Well said about Hogan, Steph. The way the net crowd is reacting you'd think Russo had came back and won the belt. They are presenting Hogan as a Foreman type and we're not expected to take him as an equal to the in their prime types, just a man on his final run. For me that makes this new Hulkamania a lot easier to accept, and then I blame Vince less for getting what he can out of his while he can.

It's one thing to not enjoy Hogan's act, but it's another to claim it's the death of wrestling despite the fact that it's what the majority of fans blatantly wanted.

Although I'm a confirmed member of the bitching club, the smarks are annoying the hell out of me today. We hate Triple H and wanted the belt off him, but now it is off him we're mad. *Sigh*.



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    Originally posted by Qubber
    Although I'm a confirmed member of the bitching club, the smarks are annoying the hell out of me today. We hate Triple H and wanted the belt off him, but now it is off him we're mad. *Sigh*.


Oh come on. Did you think having Hogan win it would make smarks happy? The only person who might rank above Hogan for smark hatred is Nash. If he ever wins the title, this board will become dead, because all of our heads will have exploded.

Errrrr... is that Kawshen's pic?



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
But surely to any reasonable person comparing Triple H (dead crowd) to Hogan (incredibly hot crowd) makes the bitter pill far easier to swallow? But then when smarks get pissed reason goes out of the window doesn't it? Little things like business sense don't factor in because we, since we use the internet, know best, right? Sometimes things that we wouldn't book are in fact the best thing because they are the best thing for the company, and giving the marks what they want keeps the copany afloat.

As it is from a smarky point of view, seeing HHH lose the belt relatively clean was a good thing for me. I can overlook the fact that Hogan won simply because HHH, who most claim holds the book for all intents and has spent the last few months squashing every wrestler I like like little bugs, lost cleanly. This is a good day for smarks, no?

And is what "Kawshen's pic"?


Edit: Not only do I lose the ability to spell when I post, I also lose any concept of tenses :)

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#5 Posted on
What makes Hogan interesting imo right now is his humbleness.
Despite being over the top orange red and yellow he isn't doing any of his old school over the top behavior. No huge you know brotha stuff, no bullshit.
He IS portrayed like the 'legend who somehow pulls it off again'.
Kudos to him and the wwf to pick up on it once they saw he couldn't be a heel now. and kudos to "play" it this well.

HHH lost the title, and this means he will be on smackdown. Kind of a shocker to see him lose the title that fast eh?
But the wwf did the right thing.
Now they can build on HHH's face character without going the 'i went through 10 months to get this belt' way.



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#6 Posted on
So far in his wwf run, hogan has behaved himself well. and the fans did go nuts for his tittle win last night.he will lose it at king of the ring.

My opion on Backlash:

Kidman vs Tajiri: What was the point of tajirir losing the belt in the first place a couple of weeks ago? keep it on him for a while i say.

Scott Hall vs Bradshaw: Let's face it, if hall had lost here,then the nWo would have been nothing more than a laughing stock. The wwf needed to keep them as a theart in the wwf.

Trish vs Jazz: Jazz keeping the belt makes her a good heel! She is also the best woman wrestler in the wwf right now.

Brock Lensar vs Jeff Hardy: What happened to matt hardy? i thought he was wrestling here! brock winning here helps him keep his unbeatalbe monster heel side of things nicely ticking over . I think tjhat it should be a few months before he loses a match. The hardys don't mean anything to the wwf anymore and i think that is very sad.

Kurt Angle vs Edge: It didn't really mather which guy won this one, because they have both been on a role recently. Best match of the night! Angle looks wreid with black tights!

Rob Van Dam vs Eddioe Guerrero: Eddie winning was the right decison here. RVD dosen't need the belt to be over with the fans because he is alreday over with the fans. But Ediie does, so they made the right decsion here i thought ! Second best match of the night!


Austin vs Undertaker: I think that it is time that the undertaker wins the wwf tittle ! he will beat hogan for it ! anyway the match was good, and the finish was good! austin dosen't need the title for a while yet so taker winning was a good call.

Billy/Chuck vs Maven/Al Snow: I think that billy and chuck keeping the tag tittles is important until a proper tag team (cough hardys ) come and take the belts off them

HHH vs Hogan: I am not impressed with the wwf! HHH should have had a long enjoyable tittle reign, but no they had to put it on hogan didn't they!!!! i hate you hogan!!!!

Anybody who dosn't agree with me is more than welcpme to reply to my post!



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18

I disagree vehemently with Edge losing to Angle. Angle is top of the card (though unfortunately below others) and Edge is mid-card. Edge winning would have helped him greatly, especially since they had a decent enough but not super match. Edge losing keeps him solidly in the mid-card. Of course, the way the top of the card is filled with stale plodders, that might not be such a terrible thing.

I was greatly happy that Tajiri and Eddy won. Eddy even busted out the Gori Special, even it wasn't the spinning version. All we needed was the Camel Clutch to complete the fatherly tribute.

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Benny: They probably took Matt Hardy out of the match because Brock face planted him on the stage during Raw last week. Jeff's also a more sympathetic character that the fans could get behind, so having him get destroyed makes Lesnar look worse.

I got to watch 45 minutes of the PPV for free (I think someone at Comcast forgot to flip the switch 6 minutes in like they usually do). From what I saw I liked it. Tajiri/Kidman worked well for me, and they didn't blow any spots which seems to plague cruiser matches. Hall/Bradshaw seemed slow, but following a Tajiri/Kidman, what wouldn't?

From what everyone else says it seems like its another occasion to wait and see.

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#9 Posted on

    Tajiri v Kidman: Tajiri is probably the only cruiserweight most of the fans recognize. Until more cruisers arrive, Tajiri & Kidman will be charged with keeping the division alive;

You forgot The Hurricane. Stop treating him as a joke, and let him use the Vertebreaker, and he'll be over HUGE.

    I got to watch 45 minutes of the PPV for free (I think someone at Comcast forgot to flip the switch 6 minutes in like they usually do).

I'm in the Philly area, and the same thing happened. Got the regular feed from 8:10 to about 9:00, and then from about 9:50 to the end of the PPV. And then the replay at 11:00 was entirely the regular feed for the whole show!



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#10 Posted on
Hmm, makes me wish I would have checked more often to see if it had come back on.

Oh well, I have to get up early for work anyway. Staying up till 2 to watch a re-broadcast would have killed me when I got up at 5:30.

BrewGuy's recap filled in the rest well enough for me. Wish I would have caught the Angle/Edge matches and Rvd/Eddie match. They are some of my favorite wrestlers. At least it sounded like they put on a good show. Hopefully they'll get more tv time because of it.

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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by odessasteps

    I disagree vehemently with Edge losing to Angle. Angle is top of the card (though unfortunately below others) and Edge is mid-card. Edge winning would have helped him greatly, especially since they had a decent enough but not super match. Edge losing keeps him solidly in the mid-card



If he can't have a super match with Angle maybe he deserves to be a midcarder.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18

    Originally posted by Weevil

      Originally posted by odessasteps

      I disagree vehemently with Edge losing to Angle. Angle is top of the card (though unfortunately below others) and Edge is mid-card. Edge winning would have helped him greatly, especially since they had a decent enough but not super match. Edge losing keeps him solidly in the mid-card



    If he can't have a super match with Angle maybe he deserves to be a midcarder.



I don't disagree. I think that both Edge and Christian have both suffered since the split and should probably be put back together.





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#13 Posted on
I thought it was great that we had two immediate post match interviews, and one was in Japanese and the other featured silent Jazz. I suppose if they had done one after every match someone would have eventually said something I could understand.

Anyway I liked the ppv, and thought Edge/Angle was really good. Anyone think J.R. was taking a little jab at Eddy/RVD with his comment about, "this match is all offense, and no stopping to exploit a body part."

I like Hogan with the title. One last run will not hurt anything. He said in his post match interview on wwf.com that he just wants to ride into the sunset now. Giving him the belt one last time is just the start of saying goodbye.



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    Originally posted by mskj
    Anyway I liked the ppv, and thought Edge/Angle was really good. Anyone think J.R. was taking a little jab at Eddy/RVD with his comment about, "this match is all offense, and no stopping to exploit a body part."

That's kind of odd, since Eddy was obviously working the back for a good portion of the match.




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#15 Posted on
Man, was that powerbomb by Eddie devestating. Nice to see him whip out a properly done
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    You forgot The Hurricane. Stop treating him as a joke, and let him use the Vertebreaker, and he'll be over HUGE!


Indeed, I forgot to mention the Hurricane - because I forgot which side of the Great Divide he was on. They *must* stop treating him as a joke for him to be a serious contender, though.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18

    Originally posted by albert44
    Man, was that powerbomb by Eddie devestating. Nice to see him whip out a properly done
    Dragon Screw!!




My friends last night got mad at me when I would yell out the names of non-American moves during the match.

Dragon Screw Leg Whip!
Gori Special!

And I kept calling for the Black Tiger Bomb, but it never came. :>





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#18 Posted on
After reading the results, I think Backlash was a really "eh" PPV. It sounded both good and bad and, yes, sort of reminiscent of an old WCW PPV around 1998. Although the booking is SLIGHTLY better here, but still pretty bad.

It seems to me that they're totally half-assing the Hogan return. Hogan's out there wearing tie-dyed pants and his weightlifting belt, still wearing the black beard. Not to mention the use of Voodoo Chile for his theme when Real American is obviously the superior ring entrance music.

I realize that they don't want to go all back to nostalgia here, but there's certain things that have got to stay, most notably real American.

Let's also not overlook the fact that Hogan's been back under two months. Unless Hogan's sticking around for half a year, they're really rushing things by having him beat HHH right away. I think we've only scratched the surface on Hogan's return and it won't be pretty a year from now unless Austin kicks his ass at WM, but I doubt they've thought that far ahead.

And, the new WWF Title belt sucks. It's too plain. Gimme the two belts any day. Or the 1988-1998 WWF Title belt.
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#19 Posted on
I marked out for Hogan's win, but did anyone else wish HHH would have KILLED Hogan after the match? I think he needed it...just to lash out and destroy the old man for taking away his prized belt. Did you see the look on HHH's face? I've never seen a better look of complete, uncontrollable rage...and then he just left. Hum.



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Kidman vs Tajiri: Missed it due to a SNAFU at my cable company.

Scott Hall vs Bradshaw: I agree that Hall needed to win so the booking was good. And seeing the APA reunion was a good feel-good moment. Otherwise it was good but nothing special.

Trish vs Jazz: I vehemently disagree with the booking. Trish should have won and started feuding with Molly. As it is we'll probably have Trish vs. Jazz IV at Judgement Day. Of course I could be wrong and we may actually get Trish and Molly in a non-title women's feud... which would be a good thing.

Brock Lensar vs Jeff Hardy: I want to know who the Hardyz pissed off (the smarks don't count) to deserve this kind of treatment. Not that I think Jeff should have won... Brock's push is going quite nicely actually... But this is the latest in a long line of jobs. They're even jobbing to RTTG teams (Booker/Goldust.) WTF? These guys used to be one of the best tag teams in the WWF... now they're jobbers.

Kurt Angle vs Edge: Match of the night IMO... which is sad because it wasn't that great.

Rob Van Dam vs Eddie Guerrero: Objectively speaking I agree that Eddie needs the belt to get over. However I am of the mind that if you're not over without the belt you won't be over with the belt, and that the belts should be given to those who are over... not used as a tool to get someone over. Add that to the fact that RVD winning the title was my biggest mark out moment ever and let's just say that I didn't like the outcome. The match itself was disappointing too.

Austin vs Undertaker: I am so glad Austin lost I cannot describe it. The fact is that all the qualities smarks bitch about HHH for, I'm starting to see in Austin... particularly in his treatment of Scott Hall. At this point I'd truthfully rather see Austin retire than Hogan.

Billy/Chuck vs Maven/Al Snow: I agree that the tag titles are at a low point, but I'm still optimistic for the future. That said this was not a bad match by any means. I'd actually call it the second best match that I saw (remember I missed Tajiri/Kidman, though.)

HHH vs Hogan: I'm torn on the outcome. While I agree that the WWF should "strike while the iron is hot" and put the title on Hogan early, I also think there was a lot of potential in a Hogan/Jericho feud. I also agree that HHH looked like he was going to explode after he lost... and that he should have

But one thing I disagree with is the idea that Hulkamania 2002 is pure nostalgia. While nostalgia is a good starting point, the lackluster return of HHH shows that a big comeback will fizzle quickly if the superstar in question is not consistently entertaining. And while workrate freaks will disagree with me, Hogan has been consistently entertaining since his return.



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