Originally posted by PalpatineW1Bob is claiming that the WWF is scrapping HHH/Taker in favor of HHH/Hogan. And to this I say, "Huh?" Is Hogan gonna work a program with every top face? Is HHH going heel? Is 1Bob crazy?
Well, that has to do with Smackdown spoilers. I think personally they'll either make it a Triple Threat Match with Triple H, Hogan, and the Undertaker, or Triple H will turn heel. It's kind of interesting, at Raw, vs. Undertaker, he was definately the face, but against Hogan, he kind of has to be somewhat heelish. I think he'll beat Hogan at Backlash, he'll get out the sledge, and he'll turn heel, because he's got very little heat right now as a face.
The sad thing is, is that he'll get face heat as a heel, which is the reason that they teased a face turn for him just before he started his feud with Austin. It's really a fairly no-win situation, in that he'd be really over as a heel, sure, but the crowd will still pop for him like he's a face as soon as he gets off the mic. (Much like Undertaker)
yeah i was surprised to hear the Hogan is HHH's new opponent for backlash. Undertaker/HHH would be a great match, their interview on raw seemed pretty good, I actually got excited over the fact they may have a match. but being a hulkamaniac and all I'd love to see Hogan go into backlash and become 6 time wwf champ.
I think it will all boil down to vince and ric battling it out to see who's guy get's the shot, but then that would make their guy a floater between both brands if HHH loses, i don't know where this is going.
I don't really like the idea of hogan jobbing to all of the new generation stars in high profile matches on ppv, if the only reason they brought in Hogan is to make money, and have him job out to all the young stars it's pretty sad. His loss to the Rock at Mania was ok, good for business blah blah blah, but he loses to HHH next month, then to kurt angle the month after, I 'll be sick
I'd guess that Taker Vs. HHH was the contingency plan whilst Austin was away, and that they'd have slotted Austin back in the nWo feud on his return. THEN Big Kev had to go and get hurt. So they're probably switching Taker to being Ausitn's opponent and taking advantage of Hogan's heat while they can. Killing two birds with one stone, really.
411 Wrestling is reporting (from 1bob or somewhere else I'm sure) that the WWF changed the main event after the tepid response to the HHH/Taker confrontation on Raw.
First off, nobody from the WWF should base any big decisions like this from an Albany crowd. I think next to the Nassau Coliseum, the Pepsi arena is the quietest. Being in New York, the WWF goes there all the time but I have observed that that crowd just sits on their hands most of the time. The funny thing is that they were more vocal on Raw this past Monday than I have ever seen them, making the decision all the more puzzling to me.
Someone mentioned that having Hogan job to the new top stars was not a good idea, but I love it. Vince is finally getting Hogan to do what McMahon couldn't get from Hogan on the last Hogan stint in the WWF. Hell, Bischoff couldn't make (or didn't want to have) Hogan elevate the younger guys either, so Vince is once again getting the last laugh on one of his workers. I applaud it because, despite the reception in Toronto, the WWF knows that Hogan is no longer the end all be all of wrestling. He should pass the proverbial torch to guys like Rock, HHH, and Austin.
On the contrary, I seriously think the WWF's going to put the title on Hogan at Backlash. Think about it - we've all noticed how little the fans care about Triple H. They go bonkers for his entrance, which totally kicks ass, but his promos have been terrible and his wrestling has been stiff. Kind of like the APA. I think putting the title on Hogan is a good move. There's no way he can believably beat HHH, but that's the great part of the match. Have Hogan win by fluke (like HHH getting knocked out by a sledgehammer-wielding Rock and Hogan rolling onto him or something) and then have HHH go berserk and beat the hell out of Hogan. This way, you play to the desires of the fans by giving them Hogan as the champ, and you turn HHH monster heel and give him a big-money, cross-promotional feud with the Rock, or someone else. Seriously - does HHH, who beats everyone, really need a big rub from beating Hogan? Hogan has been a huge draw since returning. The fans are crazy about him. Read the Smackdown spoilers: the fans go apeshit every time he's shown in the video montage and REALLY go nuts when he does a promo in the red and yellow. If I was a WWF booker, I would make Hogan the champ, at least for a little while, so he could be on both Smackdown and Raw. That's where the money is. That's what the fans want, IMHO. At least that's what this fan wants.
Of course, there are advantages to not putting the title on Hogan. If they wait months to put the belt on him, it will mean more to the fans.
YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME!?! - The immortal, chilling words of...The Shockmaster!
For the first time in a long time, I actually want to see the triple-threat match. Sure, with HHH still recovering from his injury and nowhere near the workrate he once had; and with Undertaker and Hogan in there, the match itself will suck donkey balls.
But I want to see it so HHH can go over UT, two birds can be killed with one stone, and we can be readied for Jericho to get it back at Judgment Day.
And PLEASE don't suggest turning HHH heel. They've already got Jericho tied to a pole, blindfolded, facing a firing squad. Turning HHH heel would pretty much be the equivalent of the squad firing.
CRZ NOTABLE QUOTABLE OF THE MONTH: KANE: Triple H...tonight, I will burn the flesh from your body! MICHAEL COLE: OH MY GOD. KANE THREATENING TRIPLE H, SAYING HE'S GONNA BURN THE FLESH FROM HIS BODY! CRZ: Umm, I heard it the FIRST time! -- WWF Smackdown, 9/9/99
I don't think it much matters at this point what HHH does vis a vis Jericho, as our Hero is so far removed from the title picture at this point that whatever HHH does is irrelevant. Chris would be better served to worry about the latest actions of Angle or Edge than HHH, as I think he's been evicted from that tier of people.
"You used it to shove your miserable daughter down our throats week in and week out...not anymore!" - Ric Flair gives me hope, Raw 3/18/02
"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville.
I agree 100%, but I don't think HHH will be too bad in there after all. He has lost some of that extra mass he carried back in January. Also, if Hogan DOES become WWF champion, nostalgia or not, I'll SO not watch WWF TV again... until the day Y2J gets his title back, and then we could have a REAL feud with HHH with NO WIVES!
I'm thinking the WWF is using Hogan to get HHH over. Hulk put Rock over at Mania, and now he'll put Trips over at Backlash. I think they see what we see - Hogan will burn white-hot for a brief period but people will get sick of him soon. Maybe the WWF is using him to put over all of their top talent. Hulk hasn't exactly been great about that kind of thing before, but maybe he's turned over a new leaf.
"Don't eat crackers in the bed of your future, or you might get scratchy" - The Tick
The spoilers I read sure made it sound like they were setting up a triple-threat match, not scrapping the HHH/UT match altogether. But I don't know, I don't have a "source". At any rate, I can't buy the crowd reaction thing, it sure sounded like they were reacting to me (maybe I just imagined those boos when it was made clear that the match would happen at Backlash instead of that very night in that very ring).
Again, stating that not only did the crowd reaction have an effect, but the WWF probably found out that Kev was injured on Monday. Thus meaning that Taker was needed elsewhere, to fill up the slot that Kev had left vacant at Backlash.
If it means anything I read from Meltzer that the lineup this weekend for a couple of house shows feature Taker-Austin and Bradshaw/Kane v. XPac/Hall. That certainly seems to imply that Taker won't be facing HHH at Backlash.
For what it's worth, Lesnar will face D'Lo. Maybe D'Lo gets to be the fodder initially for him.
Originally posted by RingmistressWell, that wouldn't be a bad idea. But I'm still hurtin' over Jericho. I don't care what most people say, he should go for the title again after all these old folks are out of the way.
I really don't care about jericho, and really don't want to see him anywhere near the top let alone the champion, he's a glorified mid-carder who carried the belt for HHH.
Now I like Jericho as much as the next guy but some of you don't seem to understand what the titles are all about. The Undisputed Championship should be given to a guy who is already over, not used as a tool to get someone over. And whether you like it or not Hogan is the most over guy in the WWF. It's just bad business to make a legend (again whether you like it or not Hogan is a legend) into a jobber to the stars (which is essentially what some people are suggesting,) especially when he's as over as Hogan is now.
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Originally posted by YunNow I like Jericho as much as the next guy but some of you don't seem to understand what the titles are all about. The Undisputed Championship should be given to a guy who is already over, not used as a tool to get someone over. And whether you like it or not Hogan is the most over guy in the WWF. It's just bad business to make a legend (again whether you like it or not Hogan is a legend) into a jobber to the stars (which is essentially what some people are suggesting,) especially when he's as over as Hogan is now.
What's wrong with using the titles to get someone over? The way I see it, titles at any level are used as storyline tools to either 1)reward a guy for hard work in getting over, or 2)helping a guy get over to the next level. What makes someone a main eventer is that person having a reason, some sort of evidence, to claim that he is the best. A look at our main event roster through Y2J's title run:
The Undertaker: A decade of kicking ass proves how good he is Steve Austin: The toughest SOB blah blah The Rock: The people's champ Jericho: He had the belts Kurt Angle: Olympic Gold Medalist
Guys like The Rock, Triple H, Bret Hart and Mick Foley are all examples of guys who, while over, were not accepted as main eventers until they won the title for the first time. Jericho now is in position to join this group.
(edited by TheBucsFan on 5.4.02 0212)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last real Venus push when he was Commissioner Regal's right hand man, Sean Morley? If so this is a great piece of accidental continuity by the WWE having Regal go to 'his boys' in a somewhat big situation.