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|#1 Posted on 12.4.12 0910.39 | Instant Rating: 8.13|
Axl Rose declined induction into the Hall of Fame with a rambling letter addressed to the Hall, his former band members, his current band members, his fans, enemies, and seemingly anyone else who might be passing by.
Welcome to his jungle ... of words.
The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N’ Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,
When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N’ Roses were to be inducted it’d be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.
Since then we’ve listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N’ Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists’ comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.
Under the circumstances I feel we’ve been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N’ Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in “our” induction (that for the record are decisions I don’t agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things… no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn’t appear to be somewhere I’m actually wanted or respected.
For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It’s their show not mine.
I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N’ Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
- Axl Rose
That said, I won’t be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N’ Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.
I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of “Guns N’ Roses”.
This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp’s perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I’m sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I’ll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don’t intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we’ve actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, “damned if I do, damned if I don’t” scenario all the way around.
In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I’ve publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing’s changed.
The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.
Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.
There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.
Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.
So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.
But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.
In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.
I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!
P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III
Ok, I know there was some shit between Axl and GnR, and that he didn't mention Slash anywhere in that letter, but what the hell happened???????
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|#2 Posted on 12.4.12 1128.26 | Instant Rating: 6.16|
|It's a bizarre situation to induct Guns N' Roses without Axl Rose. Beyond his unspoken "I hate Slash" undertone, one of his arguing points seems to be that he wanted his current Guns line up inducted either as well or in place of the original line up. It's kind of like if Ric Flair decided to decline his WWE Hall of Fame induction with the Four Horsemen if Curt Hennig, Mongo McMichael and Dean Malenko aren't inducted with or instead of Tully, Arn, Barry and JJ.|
It's a shame. I'm just glad I can say I saw the original Axl, Slash, Duff Guns lineup together live in 1991 and 1993. I also saw the Buckethead line up back in 2002. And I'd see Axl's current line up today. But we will probably never see a reunion of the original band.
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|#3 Posted on 12.4.12 1149.46 | Instant Rating: 5.13|
|I always liked the fact that Steely Dan hated that they were in the Hall. This even tops that. The Rock and Roll HoF is goofy anyways. I always get a kick out of when people shun things they are "supossed" to like.|
(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 12.4.12 1251)
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|#4 Posted on 12.4.12 1209.43 | Instant Rating: 3.85|
|If he'd left it at "I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N’ Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame" and not thrown in the part after, this would have been a simple, coherent message. The rest of the stuff simply didn't need to be there. |
The only thing the rest of it did was remind me of the Ultimate Warrior's rants. Which is probably unfair...this wasn't nearly as ridiculous.
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|#5 Posted on 12.4.12 1610.16 | Instant Rating: 6.13|
|what I said on my other board: |
I think the marriage/offspring analogy is pretty perfect.
They got together and created a partnership. They even made legal contracts. And they made something (Songs, or an album, whatever) that is it's own entity, and takes on a life of its own. It moves through the world in a way that the original creators cannot control at all.
When the time comes to honor that, with this induction, a graduation, whatever. You honor the creators, not some people who have helped along.
I editing weddings, so I see them all day. And I see plenty of divorced parents of the bride and groom. And for the most part, when you're doing introductions at a reception, they get introduced (the parents of the bride), they walk in the room and break off and go their separate ways. Cause they are the parents, they are the creators. The DJ doesn't say, "and this is the father of the bride with the chick he's been banging since 2006".
If Axl wants DJ Bumblefuck and The Footnotes to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, maybe he should wait till it's 25 years after they've joined.
And anyway, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has been great about inducting past and present members in and even the fucking d-bags in Metallica could set aside their differences for the span of three songs to honor that past. I'm pretty sure if Robert Trujillo can get inducted with Metallica after 6 years that Tommy Stinson won't have a problem. It sounds like Axl just doesn't want to see the people from the old days.
I hope Tracii Guns shows up instead.
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|#6 Posted on 12.4.12 1629.21 | Instant Rating: 9.76|
Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
I always liked the fact that Steely Dan hated that they were in the Hall. This even tops that. The Rock and Roll HoF is goofy anyways. I always get a kick out of when people shun things they are "supossed" to like.
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While I appreciate the idea to honor the music and musicians that made Rock and Roll, somehow to me the idea of the HoF seemed counter to what Rock started out being about. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the fact it wasn't acceptable that made it what it was.
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|Y!: ||#7 Posted on 13.4.12 2134.40 | Instant Rating: 7.84|
Originally posted by theremin
I'm pretty sure if Robert Trujillo can get inducted with Metallica after 6 years that Tommy Stinson won't have a problem.
Maybe Tommy would have a problem with the fact that his other and far more deserving band The Replacements aren't going in . . .
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