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NL MVP: Barry Bonds. Even with the death of his father and all of the peripheral stuff he's had to put up with this season, he's still the best hitter in the game.

NL Cy Young: Eric Gagne. He's having, statistically, the best year by a closer ever.

NL Rookie of the Year: Scott Posednik, Milwaukee. In case you've never heard of him, he's the classic leadoff man, but he also gets 1-2 hits a game, scores runs, steals like a mofo, etc. He gets the nod over Willis, who's faded in the second half of the season.

AL MVP: .........um..........let me get back to you on that.

AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay. Nuff said.

AL Rookie of the Year: I'd have to go with Rocco Baldelli, just because Matsui has faded and there isn't anyone else who's really made an impression as a rookie.

AL MVP: I'd vote for A-Rod, only because while his team stinks, he's had the best season amongst a flawed group of challengers.

(edited by Big Bad on 13.9.03 1643)


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#2 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    NL Rookie of the Year: Scott Posednik, Milwaukee. In case you've never heard of him, he's the classic leadoff man, but he also gets 1-2 hits a game, scores runs, steals like a mofo, etc. He gets the nod over Willis, who's faded in the second half of the season.
How about Brandon Webb -- one of the Arizona D'Backs "Baby-Backs" who got called up when Johnson & Schilling were both out with their injuries. At the moment has the 6th best ERA of all starters in MLB, continues to be the D'Backs best & most consistent starter, even now that Schilling & Johnson have returned to active duty. The only reason that Webb's W/L is so "eh" is the crappy hitting (particularly with men on) -- but then, they do the same thing to Cy Young winner Randy.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad

    AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay. Nuff said.



I would not be so sure. Loaiza is have just as good a year as Halladay on a team that should be in the playoffs. Of course if Cy Young means best pitcher in the leauge it again belongs to Pedro.
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#4 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    NL MVP: Barry Bonds. Even with the death of his father and all of the peripheral stuff he's had to put up with this season, he's still the best hitter in the game.




And if it weren't for him, the Giants wouldn't even be contending. That's what's making him so great.

    Originally posted by Big Bad


    NL Cy Young: Eric Gagne. He's having, statistically, the best year by a closer ever.



Yeah, but Billy Wagner is literally keeping Houston in the race by himself and to some extent, Mark Prior's doing the same thing for the Cubs (15 wins and a very low era). You could make quite a case for Smoltz and Ortiz from Atlanta

    Originally posted by Big Bad

    NL Rookie of the Year: Scott Posednik, Milwaukee. In case you've never heard of him, he's the classic leadoff man, but he also gets 1-2 hits a game, scores runs, steals like a mofo, etc. He gets the nod over Willis, who's faded in the second half of the season.



Like him too, but what about Dontrelle Willis of the Marlins? Guy's 12 & 6 with a pretty sweet 3.26 era and and 2 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio. I give it to him


and I don't follow the AL. I don't have time for baseball where not everyone plays. I watch the church softball league for 10 players on a side


(edited by AWArulz on 13.9.03 2014)


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NL--

MVP: Bonds.

Cy Young: Probably Gagne due to his amazing ability to keep LaLaLand afloat, not the 3-run lead and no one on base saves. Almost none of the usuals are up to form this year.

ROTY: It will probably be Dontrelle, especially if the Fish get the Wild Card. Webb and Podsenik deserve some praise too, Wigginton and Phillips have tanked with the Mets.

Batting title: sure looks like Pujols.

AL--

MVP: this is actually kind of tough. I would say Maggs deserves praise, you could probably argue Giambi's numbers (aside from his two horrible stretches), maybe even Mueller...

Cy Young: Loaiza. the streak might be enough to sway for Halladay though.

ROTY: Matsui. there's someone from cleveland that's pretty good but I can't recall their name. Also, is Panchito (K-ROD) eligible?

Batting title: Mueller, although quite a few guys aren't that far back.


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Regarding the AL Cy Young, Halladay shouldn't come in higher than fourth in that voting:

Loaiza: 19-7 2.73 ERA 185 K 45 BB
Hudson: 15-6 2.66 ERA 150 K 57 BB
Martinez: 12-4 2.36 ERA 187 K 44 BB
Halladay: 20-6 3.30 ERA 180 K 31 BB

I'd go with Loaiza over Hudson, with Pedro getting dinged for missing starts. Part of the award to me is consistency, and missing a start when you're that important is a major detriment to your team.

As for AL ROTY, I'm going with pure sentiment and voting for Jody Gerut, Cleveland OF and pride of Willowbrook High School Class of '95 :)



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NL MVP: Barry Bonds...as much as I don't like the guy, I think this one is an obvious call...especially now that Pujols has cooled off and the Cards are falling fast.

NL CY: Eric Gagne...not to diminish the accomplishment, but people win 20 games every year...but a closer who goes 50/50 on saves hasn't happened, well, ever.

NL ROY: Dontrelle Willis...he got the ball rolling in Florida...13 wins for a guy who didn't start the season in the bigs, and unlike Webb or Posednik, he looks like he'll get his team to the post-season.

NL Manager: Jack McKeon...brought in part way through the year to take a team that was supposed to be in firesale mode by June into a playoff team...can't argue with that.

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AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez...there's really no standout player on the top teams this year...Giambi's been streaky, Jeter's been hurt, Tejada's production is down, Ramirez skips games...with no easy choice on a contender I think you just go with the best player, and that's A-Rod... .300/40/100 from a shortstop still impresses me immensly.

AL CY: Esteban Loaiza...Halladay has 20 wins but a good offense behind him...the reason the Jays stink is because they don't have any pitching beyond Halladay, but that doesn't impact Halladay's starts...hardly the same as trying to win games for a poor team that can't score any runs...Loaiza is one win behind Halladay but his wins mean something and he's doing it under pressure. (Edit: Nice to see some love for Tim Hudson...I don't think you can give awards based on "shoulda's", but he's got a great ERA and got a lot of no-decisions as rewards for great starts in the first half.)

AL ROY: Jody Gerut (aka someone from Cleveland that's pretty good)... .284 with 21 HR and 72 RBI despite not being called up until some point in May...that's 30/100 over a full season and that wins ROY any year, especially on a bad team like Cleveland.

AL Manager: Jerry Manuel...the team was in such disarray that Manuel was rumoured to be getting fired until a winning streak saved his job...now the team is tied for the division lead in mid-September...if the Royals had held on I would have voted for Pena, but they didn't so I don't.

(edited by BigVitoMark on 13.9.03 2215)
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Tony Pena has it all but guaranteed, regardless of the Royals pulling it out or not. Manuel might have been rumored to be fired, but there were rumors of the Royals franchise being shut down and now they're actually packing Kaufman for the big games.

On top of that, there's still a chance for them - KC is only down 3 games, and 7 of the final 10 games for both them and the White Sox are against each other. And the other 3 of the 10 for the Sox are against the Yankees, while for KC it's with the Tigers. Unless the Twins pull ahead in the meantime, KC will have a shot at it.

And to make this post completely about the Royals, I would put Berroa up with Baldelli. He's nearly equal in batting, despite having 60 less at-bats, and has about twice the homers. He's also turned in to a pretty solid shortstop.
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Brandon's Webb main problem is the same as the pitcher for MVP arguement. Some people will say he can't win because he doesn't play everyday. But he has had quite an impressive season, despite the bad record his numbers are better than Schilling's. It's hard to argue against Posednik with his numbers and him playing every day. And Willis? He was looking great, but now he's not even having as good a season as Webb. So I'd probably say 1. Posednik 2. Webb 3. Willis in a close race.


"Yeah, but Billy Wagner is literally keeping Houston in the race by himself and to some extent, Mark Prior's doing the same thing for the Cubs (15 wins and a very low era). You could make quite a case for Smoltz and Ortiz from Atlanta.

Wagner and Smoltz are great no doubt about it. But Gagne is having the best season for a closer EVER. So how could another closer finish ahead of him? And while Wagner and Prior are keeping their teams in the race so is Gagne whose Dodgers have the same record as the Astros and a better record than Houston and he has even less support.

If you consider Hudson (15 - 6, 2.66) and Pedro (12 - 4, 2.36) for the AL Cy Young then why isn't Jason Schmidt (15 - 5, 2.28) getting any love. I'd still go with Gagne in the end, but Schmidt a close second, Prior a close third. Ortiz isn't even in the argument.






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    Regarding the AL Cy Young, Halladay shouldn't come in higher than fourth in that voting:

    Loaiza: 19-7 2.73 ERA 185 K 45 BB
    Hudson: 15-6 2.66 ERA 150 K 57 BB
    Martinez: 12-4 2.36 ERA 187 K 44 BB
    Halladay: 20-6 3.30 ERA 180 K 31 BB

    I'd go with Loaiza over Hudson, with Pedro getting dinged for missing starts. Part of the award to me is consistency, and missing a start when you're that important is a major detriment to your team.


These prove Roy is fourth? He's first in wins, first in walks, and a close third in strikeouts. Is ERA that big a factor when compared to the other stats?

Here's my take on the Cy Young...whereas the MVP implies that your team be somewhat good (i.e. "Team X wouldn't be anywhere without Player X"), the Cy Young does not. It's just for the Best pitcher in the league, period. If anything, a pitcher could be rewarded for having a crappier team behind them, since it's thus more impressive if the pitcher can put up great numbers.

To say that Halladay is the fourth best pitcher in the AL is ludicrous. Hell, I think Roy's better than fourth in all of baseball. He has had THREE bad starts all year that I can remember, two against New York (first two starts of the season, little rusty) and one against Anaheim. Other than that, he's been utterly dominating every team he faces. He'd have even more wins were it not for the Jays' bullpen, or as I like to call it, the Worst Bullpen In Baseball History. Granted, Hudson has had the same problem, but Roy is handily beating him in the other categories.


    Yeah, but Billy Wagner is literally keeping Houston in the race by himself and to some extent, Mark Prior's doing the same thing for the Cubs (15 wins and a very low era). You could make quite a case for Smoltz and Ortiz from Atlanta


Had Smoltz not gotten hurt, I'd be torn between either him or Gagne. Smoltzie's injury, however, leaves the door open for Gagne. Wagner is elite, but he's a shade behind both men.

Schmidt and Prior are the only starters I can see taking it over Gagne. Ortiz is having a fine year, but doesn't have the rep of the other guys.


(edited by Big Bad on 14.9.03 1804)


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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    >Wagner and Smoltz are great no doubt about it. But Gagne is having the best season for a closer EVER. So how could another closer finish ahead of him?



He might be, but the overall situation for closers doesn't seem to be that impressive. and heck, doesn't Worrell filling in for Nen or Rod Beck's resurgence get some merit too?
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    Originally posted by darkdragoon
      He might be, but the overall situation for closers doesn't seem to be that impressive. and heck, doesn't Worrell filling in for Nen or Rod Beck's resurgence get some merit too?


    They're nice stories, but neither of those guys even has a place in Cy Young discussions. As has already been said more than once, Eric Gagne is having the best season a closer has ever had. By definition, that eliminates any other closer from contention this year.
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Loaiza not only is YOUR AL Cy Young Award winner, but he ought to get the MVP too. Just ask yourself this: without him, are the White Sox in the playoffs--or even in the hunt?

Willis has really fallen off since the All-Star break. Uless he makes a contribution down the stretch, I'd put him not only behind Scotty Po and Webb, but Jason Phillips too.

For the other races, I say Pujols, Gagne, and Matsui.
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Willis has slumped since the all star break, but has looked good in and won his last two starts. I'd count that as contributing down the stretch. If he's got 3-4 more starts coming before the end of the year, and if he can win a couple more games in that span, I don't see how you can vote against him.
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To Big Bad, all the above have been bedeviled by bad bullpens and awful offense. Loaiza at one point had 23 of 25 Quality Starts. He lost TWICE in 1-0 complete games to freaking Detroit! Halladay has had an amazing year, and if you only want to consider guys with the big number of wins, I would move him to second. I just can't put him over Loaiza when everything else is equal but Loaiza is giving up over a half run less per 9 innings.



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ERA really is the telling statistic. You win or lose games on the number of runs you give up. Strikeouts are nice and I prefer my pitchers not give up hits or walks, but as long as they don't give up runs I'm happy because it means my team wins.
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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    ERA really is the telling statistic. You win or lose games on the number of runs you give up. Strikeouts are nice and I prefer my pitchers not give up hits or walks, but as long as they don't give up runs I'm happy because it means my team wins.


Isn't the "wins" statistic a better indicator of whether you win or lose games than ERA?

Just a thought....





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Wins is a good indicator of how many runs your team scores in the games you pitch.



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NL MVP- Barry Bonds(grudgingly)
NL ROY- Toss up between Webb, Willis and Podsednik. I wouldn't be offended if either of the won.
NL CY- Gagne
NL Manager- Jack McKeon(hands down)

AL MVP- Talk about a tossup. Hell, you could make a case for about 45 guys right now; even David Ortiz.
AL CY- Loaiza. Better ERA and comparable K/BB ratio on a team with an offense a little less potent all year than Toronto was.
AL Manager- Tony Pena(again, hands down)

If you want to talk about a Player of the Year in each league though, Pujols and A-Rod win hands down.



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Bonds has Pujols beat in every offensive category, and I think Webb is far and away the NL ROY. He's outpitched Schilling and Johnson this year. As far as NL Cy, Gagne seems as good as any. But guys like Jason Schmidt are putting up similar numbers and pitching far more innings. I don't really have a favorite there. I like your pick for NL manager though - that team really turned around under McKeon.

AL MVP - Definitely a tossup. None of the AL contenders have relied solely, or even especially, on one player. AL Cy is definitely Loaiza. Pedro has pitched well enough to beat him, but he missed too many starts (shockingly). How about Lou Piniella for manager of the year? The Devil Rays could beat the pants off the Tigers, at least. And they have played a hell of a lot better.



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