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#121 Posted on
I feel that whether or not this is a shoot, or worked, or a work-shoot, or whatever, it's quite obvious that WWE has a big problem on their hands.

I do not agree at all with the way Steve Austin handled the situation on Monday. But, and I know there are a lot of people who have said the same thing already, how can you blame the guy? If it wasn't for Steve Austin, where would the WWF/E be now? The Fed's success in late 1997-1998 is attributed to Shawn Michaels? B.S. D-Generation X's PPV did a poor buyrate. And who is HBK trying to fool anyway with the comments he made about Austin? If he's making an angle out of it, those comments, coupled with his ridiculous Rock-Hunter comment, are over people's heads, it's confusing, and it makes me think that Michaels is up to his old tricks again.

That, coupled with the silly nWo "poison" angle, plus Hogan main-eventing, PLUS the botched Invasion angle (with Austin as the leader of the Alliance, even though he was fired by WCW?! I won't even begin to discuss my opinions about that, on a kayfabe or smark level) PLUS the botched "Who hit Austin ?" angle, *PLUS* the inane Austin WM-X7 heel turn, followed by HHH constantly tring to upstage Austin while they were a tag team-- I mean good grief! Who can blame Steve Austin?

And all the while, since his return to the WWF in September 2000, he's taken it like a soldier.

But this year, he's had enough of the nonsense.

And how can you not look at Austin's situation without at least a shred of understanding? WWE is doing practically everything wrong right now, and the way they've handled the Austin situation is the most glaring example of that.

How hard is it to put Austin into a feud with another good worker? They were about to with Guerrero (I think), and of course there's Benoit in the future, but if I'm Austin right now, who's PO'd at the piss-poor writing, the piss-poor angles, and an HBK who hasn't changed (praise Jeebus!), I sit, and I wait... until I could feud with Guerrero or Benoit immediately... or I quit.

I've given this way too much thought since Monday night.

And I ask you all... what would YOU do in his situation?



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#122 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Meltzer has weighed in on how to tell whether or not the whole situation is a work or shoot -- and it depends on how it's handled on SD! and Confidential.

Click Here to check it out.

I had to stop at one point -- I was laughing so hard because he starts sounding like a Jeff Foxworthy routine.



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#123 Posted on
From WWE.com:

"On March 18, 2002, the day after WrestleMania, without company approval and without notice, Stone Cold Steve Austin walked off the job and failed to appear at WWE’s Raw show in Montreal. Stone Cold Steve Austin was advised by WWE management that this was unprofessional and unacceptable. After a two week hiatus, Austin returned to work.

On Monday, June 10, 2002, Stone Cold Steve Austin again failed to appear for the scheduled Raw event in Atlanta, instead choosing to return home to San Antonio without notice and without company approval.

Although Steve was unhappy with his character’s creative direction, Steve made the personal and unprofessional decision not to report to work to address his concerns.

Therefore, Stone Cold Steve Austin is no longer an active member of WWE’s talent roster."



Anyone wanna change their minds either way?
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#124 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
So Austin may be fired. I still believe this is all true and really happening. I'm glad it's happening actually the more I think about it.



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#125 Posted on
I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the "Steve Austin is no logner an active member of the talent roster" jargon. When a wrestler gets injured, they're no longer active on the roster. When The Rock goes to make a movie, he's no longer active.

They could be trying to turn it into a work. I don't know. But, this announcement is pretty meaningless aside from giving WWE's slant on things at the moment.
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#126 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the "Steve Austin is no logner an active member of the talent roster" jargon. When a wrestler gets injured, they're no longer active on the roster. When The Rock goes to make a movie, he's no longer active.

    They could be trying to turn it into a work. I don't know. But, this announcement is pretty meaningless aside from giving WWE's slant on things at the moment.



I think that means things aren't drastic enough to fire him-therfore giving him to upstart competition-but they won't be using him unless they're sure he's got his head on straight.



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#127 Posted on
Seriously...we are all so used to being worked that even if this is real, nobody is buying into it now..
Kinda pathetic.

I don't know if he has been fired. Sounds to me like some sort of suspension..a real one in my mind.

As was said earlier..if/when Austin returns to the fold and our screen most of us here will yell 'see, it was a work, how i hate the wwe for doing stuff like this' even if it was real.

Hey..they didn't lie or anything when they released Scott Hall, as back then the official statement did say that Hall asked for the release. That was never mentioned while many here went off about him being a drunk fuck up..
Only when Hall mentioned it recently did it get picked up.

Why would they lie about something like this? This doesn't sound like a plausible storyline? It doesn't say Austin is unhappy with owner Vince or Flair or whatever.
What-if this was a work- would his angle be? The disgruntled old employee who loses money due to piss poor writing? Is he gonna take out the writers instead of Vince?

The way this is handled is NOT the way an angle should go as this puts Austin in a negative daylight, not as 'the anti-hero fighting for his right' therefor I believe it's not some work or anything.

The fact that the WWE tries to bring out the 'truth' asap doesn't mean its a work..



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#128 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the "Steve Austin is no logner an active member of the talent roster" jargon. When a wrestler gets injured, they're no longer active on the roster. When The Rock goes to make a movie, he's no longer active.

    They could be trying to turn it into a work. I don't know. But, this announcement is pretty meaningless aside from giving WWE's slant on things at the moment.



Does anyone remember if the former WWF said anything when they took Chyna off all their programming?

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#129 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I don't remember any on-air comments...i just remember her fading into a robot-wars hostess...



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#130 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
HOLY SHIT!! He got FIRED!!!



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#131 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by Lotty
    HOLY SHIT!! He got FIRED!!!


not quite...he will be kept off the air, not given any bookings a la HBK the last few years, and not be given a chance to work for any other company (XPW, JARRETT's NWA, etc...)


basically he'll be paid to sit his ass at home...

WHAT?



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#132 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52

Great... reward the guy for walking out on the program, by paying him to sit his ass at home...

Then again, can't blame the WWF for that. They have to pay him whether they use him or not.



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#133 Posted on

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    You see AWA, they had to explain Austin's absence somehow. Did Austin really walk out because he didn't like Flair, as was said on television? No. Like I said before, none of what we have heard online was on television. They didn't go out on RAW and say "Steve Austin doesn't like the creative direction of the company or his character, so he threw a hissy fit and stomred home without telling management this afternoon." The "If it's on TV..." theory does not apply here buddy.

    EDIT: Parts Unknown used the perfect example above in the Scott Hall case. They mentioned his firing not because it was a work, but because they had to explain why he wouldn't be on TV anymore.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 12.6.02 1304)



He does make an excellent point - and while I think we'll still find it's a work - even with the release on wwe.com - I agree with his point.



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#134 Posted on
I think he's gone. It sucks, because with Austin there and Rock returning they could have had in my mind the greatest roster of all time. I really don't blame Austin for walking out. I wish he could have handled it better, but if I had to sit in the writers meetings or be told I had to job to the upcoming star without any build for it who should be in the King of the Ring Tournament while the person who I will be facing at King of the Ring is nowhere near my radar than I'd be pissed to. Austin is right, Austin/Lesnar is a money match if not a money fued, it needs a build, but right now so does Brock. Besides the lower middle card he hasn't faced a real opponett yet. He needs some wins against some big guys and I hate to break to to people but Raw doesn't have enough faces to pull it off. RVD can job to him, but RVD has jobbed too many times in the last month.

As of right now, I see HHH joining the NWO and raising Kliq hell all of the place until Rock's return to once again save the WWE. Then again, I'm even wondering about that as well, because of the roster is controlled by the Kliq then I don't see many people moving up.

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#135 Posted on
I'm cheering his loss, be it temporary or not. And I may very well jeer the WWE at some points in the near future. What's worng with that? To be honest with you, the man hasn't exactly added a whole Hell of a lot to WWE programming recently. It's just been pretty much the same over and over and over. Look at it this way; the guy's been on top for three years. Even when he was injured he remained a name to be reckoned with; whenever he was mentioned the announcement was given as much publicity as any angle. And, really, like anyone, he's gotten a little stale. Well, a LOT stale. So yeah, I think it'll be good that he's gone. That means someone else has gotta step up into that big-time face role.

And jeez, don't overreact about the whole Kliq thing. There's been no evidence that they've got any major sway over creative aspects whatsoever.

EDIT: Okay, this DOES kinda make me suspicious.



Hmmmm....

(edited by oldschoolhero on 14.6.02 1032)





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#136 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Okay, this DOES kinda make me suspicious.



    Hmmmm....

    (edited by oldschoolhero on 14.6.02 1032)



Well, that makes my concerns about WWE using revisionist history seem a little more valid...

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#137 Posted on
Wow. Got home this afternoon from bar prep classes, clicked over to da Slash, and was hit with a (Triple H backup sledge)hammer by the announcement about Austin. The man's been slowly-but-surely deteriorating into complete crap in the ring for almost a year now, and his apparent backstage behavior has been unprofessional. But I never thought I'd see it come to this.

All I will say is this: If this is a work, or the WWF, er, WWE makes this into a work... they've lost me completely. Merchandise sales, ratings point, and all. I'll be able to watch MNF and "Angel" on Monday nights, guilt-free.

Either way, why do I get the feeling that the WWF's got about 14 months to live as of right now?

Coda: And now that fucking banner??? This had better not be a work, God dammit...



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#138 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Masked Hungarian
    Sweeps month happened already in May. Next one is November

I've never posted here before, and I don't want to come across as a complete ass in my first, but I figured this info might be a little useful(hopefully it hasn't been covered in a post I haven't read yet): sweeps months are February, May, July, and November. While July is widely considered the least important of them, the fact is we are mere weeks away from another ratings period. Between that and the "Confidential" ad, I'm starting to smell a work.
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#139 Posted on
FIrst off, I don't recall this much debate on the net abou t"Is it real or a work" Since HBK collapsed in the ring a few months after some marines beat the holy hell out of him.

Nice to see that the WWE can still get this sort of reaction.

That said, I am sure that Austin has, what he believes are valid reasons, but Damn, I'd like to know what they.

Seriously I remeber him on Off the Record a while aftr Bret Hart and the Montreal incident, and he had said (Essentially) that Bret was out of line trying to refuse to Job the belt, Vince is the boss and knows the business better than anyone.

Personally if he had to lay down for Lesnar, I say he should have laid down. It would likely have been a screw job win anyways. Build the bloody young guys. (Of course there may be other factors involved, in which case he may be justified, but it would have to be VERY serious to be acceptable)

Seriously, I've read on this board people bitching about Triple H (Mr. Ego himself) who has always been a self serving jerk (Booking wise) and aggree (I still think he should have played up the leg injury, and jobbed to Jericho's viscious cheating at Mania) but of course no. We all know about Micheals and others in the past who have done the primadonna thing.

As for the Rock COmment by Micheals, I thought it was to get heat, possibly set up a feud with NWO vs Hunter, since Triple H could come out with "I don't need your help, I did this on my own", and he's buddy o' Hogan, or, give Golddust or Book a grounds to cry racism (I REALLY REALLY hope that I'm wrong about this, but when I saw Dustin as Undercover Brother, and heard him pull the Race card, I got a sickening flashback of the Harts vs NOD).

Long and the short of it is that If the WWE caves to Austin, they are sending a bad message ("If you're a big enough star, you can call the shots") that could kill the company. True that this may exist for certain guys (Hunter comes to mind), but this is the time for the company to stand strong.

Now on a possibly related note, the Flair Losing the power match, perhaps Flair is also sick of things and wants a quick escape. Has anyone considered this? Is flair gonna be at RAW? (And if not, that was the way to go)
Personally when I saw the matc, I also had the same question as others "What if Flair loses, will he be broke?"(In case i'm unclear Yes I know its an angle and Flair isn't really out of pocket).

Maybe Now he'll have to work for Vince.

Just my Opinion.



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#140 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Wow we are going for a record with this thread. Over 7 pages. Stay on Strike Austin.



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