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#81 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by AWArulz

      Originally posted by Lotty
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      Steve Austin left the Raw taping in Atlanta earlier today and will not be on tonight's show. From what I have heard, without talking to anyone in management, he booked a ticket home for himself and Debra and left Atlanta today. Originally, he was scheduled to face Brock Lesnar on tonight's show. I am not sure what the finish was supposed to be, but from where I stand, it was too early to do that match no matter whoever they planned to put over. The whole show had to be rewritten and Lesnar will now wrestle Bubba Ray Dudley.

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But...ummm...maybe I'm missing something here...nope. This wasn't on TV. Sure they said Austin wasn't there, but did they say why? No, they changed their plans around his leaving and mentioned him as little as possible throughout the show.



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#82 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Actually, Austin should have just threatened to quit. That way Vince just lets you book yourself.

If it is a work it's still booking on the fly bullshit. They threw out the whole Flair as Austin' bitch angle. Flair jobbed yet again for no reason. If anyone should leave it's Ric.

"Hey there 14 time world champion. Listen we are gonna just forget that making you a slave stuff. We just need you to job to the owner so we can get you off TV cause we think that all the other jobs you have been doing are just not helping the ratings. OK? Great. Thanks Champ."



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#83 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I just think they need to keep Austin off TV for awhile until the WEEEEEE gets there act together.



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#84 Posted on
"let's all go back and read that article by Brady Conroy a few months ago about what an ass Austin is...because wow is it ever relevant right now..."

That article was a joke.

"That's only hurting his own cause. Austin needs to remember that he needs the WWF a lot more than the WWF needs him."

Austin is financially set. WWF has no draws except Rock and Austin.

"Austin is making himself out to be bigger than the WWE, which we all know he never was. He is biting the hand that fed him enormous popularity, unmatched even by The Rock during his best run."

Austin built the current WWF dynasty, not the other way around.

(edited by JMShapiro on 11.6.02 1827)
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#85 Posted on

    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Austin built the current WWF dynasty, not the other way around.

The *plotline*, which happened to have Steve Austin (and could have worked with other people) built the WWF. If Steve Austin is so great, why couldn't he have "built up" WCW or ECW in his time in those respective organizations. The truth is, Steve Austin got lucky.



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#86 Posted on
[I Don't Know How To Quote]Austin was going to wrestle Brock in a KOTR qualifier, even though Brock's current feud was with Bubba Ray.

ē Austin was going to LOSE that match, which is why he walked out (totally fabricated).[/I Don't Know How To Quote]

What if it wasn't a match that Austin was supposed to have, but mearly a run-in at the end when Brock did his? Maybe it was supposed to be Austin that gets shit-kicked by Brock so that Brock can nail Flair.

That would certainly explain why Brock is feuding with Bubba yet supposedly had a match with Brock, why Arn looked so out of place backing down from Brock, and why Austin (who wouldn't even sell his used CDs to save his life) wouldn't like that scenario.

I personally think that while Austin is the only one looking out for Austin, he blew his chance at being "understood" the FIRST time he did this. If you don't like your job, then quit, but don't just walk out like some loser 15 year old on his first day at McDonalds because "The boss made me do stuff I don't like".

As far as Austin's push, I don't know what he (or anyone else) expects to be pushed against. Who the hell is there to feud with? The only other big star they have is the friggin' Big Show! On Smackdown they can build up Angle/Jericho/Triple H/Hogan, and others for weeks leading up to a PPV and then have momentum to put them at the top of the card, making more money for those guys. Austin's left with on again, off again feuds with mid cards because that's ALL Raw is!


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#87 Posted on
"The *plotline*, which happened to have Steve Austin (and could have worked with other people) built the WWF."

Yeah, okay. Sure. Owen vs. McMahon or DX vs. McMahon or Shamrock vs. McMahon would've worked. Oh my god.

"If Steve Austin is so great, why couldn't he have "built up" WCW or ECW in his time in those respective organizations."

Are you insane? When was Austin ever in a position to draw in WCW or ECW?
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#88 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    "The *plotline*, which happened to have Steve Austin (and could have worked with other people) built the WWF."

    Yeah, okay. Sure. Owen vs. McMahon or DX vs. McMahon or Shamrock vs. McMahon would've worked. Oh my god.

    "If Steve Austin is so great, why couldn't he have "built up" WCW or ECW in his time in those respective organizations."

    Are you insane? When was Austin ever in a position to draw in WCW or ECW?



That's a contradiction if I ever saw one. First you make a smartass comment mocking someone else's proposing that Austin was just in the right place at the right time, then you say Austin was successful because he "was put in a postition to draw"? Well, do you agree with the man or not?

An the problem is you are picturing Owen Hart, Ken Shamrock and DX in the characters they played in other storylines. If they Owen Hart had been the man behind the Steve Austin moniker instead of Steve Williams (that is Austin's real name, right?), and Williams played the character Owen Hart did all his life, how do you know things wouldn't have turned out exactly the same?



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#89 Posted on
"The *plotline*, which happened to have Steve Austin (and could have worked with other people) built the WWF. If Steve Austin is so great, why couldn't he have "built up" WCW or ECW in his time in those respective organizations. The truth is, Steve Austin got lucky."

That is the most IGNORANT statement I have ever read.

Were you a wrestling fan pre-Attitude?? Do you remember how OVER the Hollywood Blondes were? Hasn't Flair constantly said that Austin was being groomed to main event until that Hogan guy came in and changed everything???

Did you watch ECW when Austin was there? Wasn't Steve main eventing IMMEDIATELY upon entering the company??

Is it a coincidence that Austin 3:16 is the highest selling t-shirt of all time? Is it a coincidence that the ratings spiked whenever Austin was on tv in 1997?

Steve Austin's now five year run I believe is greater than Hogan's six year run (till WM 6) Back then you never saw Hogan wrestle on tv, the only way to see him was to go to the house shows and pay. Hogan didn't have to carry one, or two tv shows a week. Hogan didn't have to put on quality main events on ppv every month. Steve Austin is responsible for the BOOM and I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to suffer the fate of Bret Hart. He didn't like feuding with Hall, knowing Scott wouldn't be long here. Guess what? He was right. Now he doesn't want the first meeting of Brock/Austin given away with no hype on free tv. The reason? Because he knows it will make the company and himself big money if booked right.

Austin did the right thing.
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#90 Posted on

    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Are you insane? When was Austin ever in a position to draw in WCW or ECW?


Look, you were the one who said that the success of the WWF is solely due to Austin. If he's the miracle worker you say he is, then why should it have mattered what position he was in?
See, that's just my point. Austin's character saved the WWF. The reason that he wasn't as popular in the other promotions was because he didn't have that character (not sure about ECW).



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#91 Posted on
"First you make a smartass comment mocking someone else's proposing that Austin was just in the right place at the right time, then you say Austin was successful because he "was put in a postition to draw"? Well, do you agree with the man or not?"

Austin was a midcarder in WCW. He was barely even in ECW. He was never the focus of either promotion, let alone in a position to turn the company around.

In WWF, he caught fire and became the top star and completely revitalized their business. If the WWF can just make the biggest draw ever whenever they want, then they'd do it. Besides, Austin was already huge before the McMahon storyline.

"An the problem is you are picturing Owen Hart, Ken Shamrock and DX in the characters they played in other storylines."

So what? None of them could pull off Stone Cold Steve Austin.

"If he's the miracle worker you say he is, then why should it have mattered what position he was in?"

Because the people at the top of the card are the draws?

"See, that's just my point. Austin's character saved the WWF."

Austin made his character!

(edited by JMShapiro on 11.6.02 1927)
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#92 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Right, so it WAS a matter of Austin being in the right place at the right time.

Ignore for a minute the beer-drinking DTA aspect of Austin for a second. Just think about the one storyline more than anything that was responsible for the WWF's resurgance in 1998, that of course being Austin vs McMahon. Say the man we know as Steve Austin had stayed in ECW for some reason. Do you not think someone else could have been a believable rebel against his boss to carry out this angle? As talented as Austin is, if he didn't come to the WWF when he did he would be nowhere near the position he is in right now.



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#93 Posted on
It's my opinion that Austin (at least in all likelihood)had no right to leave the show, no matter what he thought about the direction of the federation, the direction of his character, or the given show. Why? Because Austin's responsiblity does not include the direction of the federation, storylines, or booking. He also is not responsible for the financial status of the company. Other people are paid to take care of that. Austin is paid to perform, and as such, he should perform as long as they are not asking him to do something illegal or outside of his job description. Now if he was paid per appearance, or on salary, Austin would have every right to quit if he didn't like his job any more. But Austin has signed a contract stating he would perform for this company for a certain amount of time. He should do that as long as he able, as long as the contract hasn't expired, and as long as the WWE hasn't violated the terms of the contract. Otherwise, I feel that Austin has violated the terms of the contract. It's called being a professional. As an engineer, my responsibilities included developing ways to improve productivity. However, if I said that we needed a new machine, or a new cell layout, made a case to the manager, but the manager said no, that was it. I can't just do it anyway, no matter how much money I think it will ultimately save the company. And if I just walked out, I may as well stay out because I wouldn't have a job. Managers are paid to make the major decisions on major expenditures.

Now all that said, let me just state this disclaimer. I haven't seen Austin's contract and have no idea what it says. If it states that he does have certain creative control, or booking say, then that changes things. And of course the way the contract is written would have a lot of bearing on whether or not Austin is in violation of it or not. And this may all be a work anyway, which may or may not become obvious in the upcoming weeks. And for all I know, Austin may have choked on a wiener and had to be rushed to the hospital, thus missing RAW. The above paragraph is just my opinion on current speculation.
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#94 Posted on

The maskt hungarian wrote:

Steve Austin is responsible for the BOOM and I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to suffer the fate of Bret Hart.

WHOA now. The BOOM started before Austin 3:16. You have to go back to the formation of the nWo at least. Austin is probably better characterized as the reason the WWF didn't go under.
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#95 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
An the problem is you are picturing Owen Hart, Ken Shamrock and DX in the characters they played in other storylines. If they Owen Hart had been the man behind the Steve Austin moniker instead of Steve Williams (that is Austin's real name, right?), and Williams played the character Owen Hart did all his life, how do you know things wouldn't have turned out exactly the same?

The problem with you hypothetical comparison is that Steve Williams was given a shitty character. He created the Stone Cold character. It would not have been there for Owen to get.

Edit: Oops, didn't see that JMShapiro made that point.

(edited by Jackson on 11.6.02 2151)


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#96 Posted on
I agree with Shapiro here - Austin has been credited with creating his character, and you can't ignore that a large part of the appeal of Austin when he got over as Stone Cold seems to stem directly from his personality. Remember, this is the guy who got over with the audience so much, apparently against their plans, they had to turn him face and Bret heel to capitalize on his popularity.

Ignoring the massive amount of charisma (not to mention the great wrestling he brought to the table with Bret during their feud, before his injury...and those pretty snazzy matches he had just last year) Austin had as the root of his success and the revitalization of the WWF when they seemed out of options just doesn't make sense to me. I've seen people make the same claims about Hogan in his run, that the WWF could have put anyone in that role and had them be as big a star, but that, too, ignores the significant contribution of the performer to his role.

I can understand if people don't like what Austin is rumored to have done on Monday, but the trend to blow off Austin's impact and ignore everything he's done in the WWF and before just because he might not be happy with the WWF is a major overreaction. His name is Stone Cold Steve Austin and he does not deserve this.
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#97 Posted on
In response to kokolums2

The nWo angle re-energized wrestling granted. But it was Austin, when the nWo peaked after Starrcade 97 who single-handedly toppled Nitro AND at the same time sent ratings into areas we might never see again. Austin also jumped ppv buys and resurrected the house show circuit. Every facet of the business exploded because of Steve Austin. That's a boom.
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#98 Posted on
Potatoes, Potahtoes. Let's see everyone shout "well Hogan created wrestling as we know it so I don't BLAME him" next time he pulls a olitical bullshit stunt like this.



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#99 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    As an engineer, my responsibilities included developing ways to improve productivity. However, if I said that we needed a new machine, or a new cell layout, made a case to the manager, but the manager said no, that was it. I can't just do it anyway, no matter how much money I think it will ultimately save the company. And if I just walked out, I may as well stay out because I wouldn't have a job. Managers are paid to make the major decisions on major expenditures.


The difference between that and this is simply that the Austin/WWE scenario is show business, which is a different monster. If Austin continues to add fuel to the fire that's burning up WWE's success right now by going along with their poor writing, he takes responsibility for that failure, as if Austin suddenly turned away all of that business because he was simply there. Austin's drawing power is at stake and he doesn't want to put it on the line as long as there's no direction.


As a side note, I've noticed a lot of other people on the board seem to be looking to Austin's past, claiming that he's responsible for the WWF's turnaround back in '98. Yeah, that's true, but we also need to look at the context of the present situation and time.

Hogan was largely a part of the WWF's success back in the 80s, but he can't always use that as an excuse to be pushed today. Especially after his failure to draw earlier this year.

The fact of the matter is, the past doesn't matter much right now since even the fans seem to have forgotten it. With that said, Austin still has a lot to contribute today and that's the problem WWE has. They're trying to "stay ahead of the trend" by phasing Austin out in favor of HHH and guys that they see as the future when it still is, in fact, Austin's time. It doesn't matter what he did back in '98 right now, it matters what he can do today. And he can do a lot if some people would just learn to prioritize the roster and write better storylines.
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#100 Posted on

    I subscribe to the 1st law of CRZ. If it's on TV, it's a work


But...ummm...maybe I'm missing something here...nope. This wasn't on TV. Sure they said Austin wasn't there, but did they say why? No, they changed their plans around his leaving and mentioned him as little as possible throughout the show.



But the major angle of the show was "Austin no showed" - because "You, Flair, Suck"

It was on TV. Even if Austin DID leave (And is it true we still only have 1Bob on this?), then it's being used as a work.

But feel free to suspend your disbelief at will...

I do, all the time



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