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#61 Posted on

    Originally posted by Papercuts!
    Wrong. Golddust dressed up as Undercover Brother and told Booker T that "their kind" wasn't welcome in the nWo --


yeah, umm ... right .... I knew that

(no, really, I did ..... )
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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Sigh.

*I* do not think it is a racism angle.

*I* was merely saying that *I* was suprised no one on this board knee jerked and flipped out over it.

That is all.



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#63 Posted on
"Geez, and YOU seem so awfully sure, too, and I can't figure out WHY." - CRZ

BECAUSE I KNOW ALL...I AM THE AMAZING SALAMI.

THE SAME WAY I KNEW THE KINGS WOULD CHOKE.....BROO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You're so uppity with your "just relax" attitude. Now who can't take a joke....ladeeda.

I love Goldust, even though he is black...what kind of rasicm is that?



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#64 Posted on
Wow, this has really incensed everyone.

I'm glad that we have all straightened out that Austin ruined the split angle by refusing to lose to Hall at WrestleMania. That's a fact now, right? Oh, and we can also be totally certain he always refuses to put people over, like Jeff Jarrett back in '99, because we all know Austin was being completely unreasonable there. Of course, all of this could have been prevented if Austin lost cleanly to heel HHH back in '99, right? I mean, that wouldn't have driven away any fans.

Now that we have our facts straight, it's clear that Austin doesn't like what WWE is doing right now, creatively. He especially doesn't like what they're doing with him. Not coincidentally, fan interest is at its lowest in years.

Why is it such a problem that Austin doesn't "put anyone over" these days? Look at his position on the card. For the last few months, he's been stuck in midcard angles when he really could be doing much more in the main event scene. He's not in ANY position to be feuding with midcarders and letting them go ahead of him right now. Austin should be in the World Title scene. He's the #1 guy in WWE right now with Rock not around, but WWE isn't treating him as such.

I'm not saying they should cave in to Austin's "demands" (if his demands exceed "Don't write crappy stuff for me") Vince obviously has to rectify the situation without showing that he gives in to "tantrums," but Austin is justified in his actions. WWE's creative team is doing a shitty job. Vince has admitted it and so has basically everyone else, but a lot of those problems stem from putting other guys in the main event spot who just can't get the job done. Guys that aren't Austin or Rock.

I really hope this stems from Austin pissing on Arn last week. If Austin went out there and did it as an example just to go along with what the crappy writers were putting together, then I can see why he has every reason to walk out this week.

But, hey, you don't hear HHH complaining, right?
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#65 Posted on
Sigh. I'm just gonna give up arguing.

Nash, Hall, Hogan Politics=Black 'n' white, much like their gimmick. People hear stories about their backstage antics and immediately take it as truth, bashing them as much a spossible.

Austin Politics=We'll throw as many excuses in the way as possible, just because we like Austin more than the other guys who pull this crap.

Sklokazoid, there is NO justification for this. He is ONE man, and jeapordising company business over personal quibbles with management is not the way you do things. And as the icing on the cake, he's managed to freeze out both Benoit and Guerrero from an angle that could cement them at the top of the card.

Look, if this is a work, or if evidence came out that Austin had a good reason for this behaviour, then I'd happily eat my words. Believe me, I (unlike some) am generally a happy wrasslin' fan. People on this board can testify to that. But this just pisses me off to the extreme-the fact that Austin pulls stunts like this AND the fact that people try to cover his childishness with thinly-stretched excuses.





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#66 Posted on
If this is a work the WWE is dumb as hell. They're working, what? 5% of their fanbase, give or take? I mean, it's not like they said Austin walked out last night. It's not on their website, if they're writing a storyline to swerve us internet losers...ahem...fans, then they're not too bright.

Granted, I guess this wouldn't be the first time they've done something that could be filed under "not too bright"

And, as for Austin, my final thing is this: I don't care. It didn't directly effect my viewing of the show. I didn't even know he walked out until after the show was over. Backstage politics don't matter to me unless I see it directly (i.e. Jericho losing to HHH all the time) I know NOW that Austin being gone caused Raw to be rewritten, but oh well. None of us truly know what's going on backstage with the WWE and we never will, all that matters is what is on the air. To be honest, I'd rather see entertaining shows full of guys who are dicks backstage then boring crap from a bunch of guys who get along.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 11.6.02 1359)


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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    And as the icing on the cake, he's managed to freeze out both Benoit and Guerrero from an angle that could cement them at the top of the card.
Um, Austin wanted the feud with Eddy. It was his idea. It's not like he left to "get" Eddy or anything.



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#68 Posted on
Wow, he wanted that program so bad he's willing to walk out of it over one dispute! It's a shame we can't all get away with such petulance when we don't get what we want.



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#69 Posted on
I don't know if Austin leaving is real or part of a goofy, late-era WCW "this is real!" angle they're trying to build or something in between. What I do know is that, when Austin's not around, they have a tendency to fire off pointless huge storyline changes with no build-up or reason. When Austin was off TV after Wrestlemania, the split came out of nowhere with zero build-up. He's not there last night and suddenly Vince decides he needs to become 100% owner again and does. Maybe, just maybe, if an Austin-less show forces them to make these huge changes on the spot, the guy is important enough to have been World Champ or something.

Whatever the case is and whatever lead to it, it was an awful Raw. Some bright spots - Eddie and RVD put on yet another fun match (odd ending aside), UT's offer to make peace with Jeff via slapping him around for a bit and the actual delivery of the Superkick by HBK.

I think that's it. Everything else was just thrown out there like they had to cut the build and end every storyline at once, consequences be damned, like after the Alliance lost. So we had the Brock-Bubba feud and Eddie-RVD feuds turn into their KOTR qualifying matches and Booker immediately get bounced from the nWo instead of waiting for the KOTR X-Pac vs. Booker match-up down the line to give a better opportunity. And then Vince shows up and decides, with no previous indication, that he can't possibly live another day without wrestling Flair for 100% control.

I'd throw in the whole matter of Arn getting pushed around by Vince and then just queitly walking away from Lesnar while Vince does his Russo Figure Four sell...but I was lost on that ending, so maybe Arn is in cahoots with McMahon for no particular reason. That was really poorly done, with Arn and Lesnar calmly walking away. Oh, and Chris Harvard Nowitzki and Justin Hawk Blackjack Bradshaw looked stupid.

As for that HBK line about Rock, not only was it stupid, I think it's setting up an nWo vs. HHH angle. If he's getting the belt at King of the Ring, he's free to have his epic reunion with his friends, at which point he can relate to them that he doesn't need their help-uh and he can Pedigree Big Show a few times. I don't see any other way to go with big faces Austin and Rock at least temporarily out of the picture and the nWo heel.

If Austin's legit gone or if it's a work or whatever, he was at least right in saying that the writing is crap.
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#70 Posted on
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Sigh. I'm just gonna give up arguing.

    Nash, Hall, Hogan Politics=Black 'n' white, much like their gimmick. People hear stories about their backstage antics and immediately take it as truth, bashing them as much a spossible.

    Austin Politics=We'll throw as many excuses in the way as possible, just because we like Austin more than the other guys who pull this crap.

    Sklokazoid, there is NO justification for this. He is ONE man, and jeapordising company business over personal quibbles with management is not the way you do things. And as the icing on the cake, he's managed to freeze out both Benoit and Guerrero from an angle that could cement them at the top of the card.



I think that's the thing, though. We (meaning: a vast majority of fans who became WWF fans during the Austin run as World Champ, not necessarily you and I personally) do like Austin more than the other guys (save for maybe The Rock). He matters more than everyone else right now and he's practically a JTTS while we get all sorts of crappy angles leading to crappy PPVs. He's still the #1 guy and, as long as he's portrayed as merely "Steve Austin: RAW Superstar against Evil Boss", it's just not going to work.

When Nash and Hogan (and, even HHH to an extent today) utilized their position on the card to maintain their power, they didn't have as much justification because their drawing power was either shrinking or virtually non-existent. No one really wanted to see them and, thus, fans bitched a lot more and numbers went down when they got their way. Austin, however, is an entertaining enough character assuming too much damage hasn't already been done to him in the last year.

A lot of WWE's problems stem from de-pushing Austin and The Rock taking off while HHH puts himself over Jericho and Angle. Not to mention the two year block of McMahonamania (2000-2002), which thrust the WWF into the depths of hell.

So, why are we seeing things like the Undertaker as champion, the Hulk Hogan Experiment (which is understandable, but has really sucked since WMX8), and HHH on the verge of winning yet another title? The fans want Austin and it's been pretty obvious since HHH's initial failure as a babyface earlier this year.

Austin's attitude isn't a good one, I'll admit, but at least he's taking a stand. I'd rather see him sit out while WWE destroys itself than play along and watch it all happen.

Austin's absence won't affect my WWE viewing, simply because it really sucked before he left and it'll suck after he leaves. They've picked up the same virus that destroyed WCW did when they stopped pushing Sting & Goldberg (Goldberg sucks) and kept pushing Hogan, Nash, and Bischoff/Russo.

As long as more fans legitimately like Austin more than every other superstar, there is no reason for why he should be held under like he is. Yes, he's being held under. Of course, the big storylines have to revolve around a McMahon and Austin has already feuded with Vince, so he can't book himself against Austin again. He needs to find a new (meaning: old) opponent like HHH!

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 11.6.02 1203)
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#71 Posted on
I think we need Hot Newz to straighten out this whole dispute with teh FACTZ!!!!1!!



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#72 Posted on
I myself doubt it's a work, considering that 1) WWE has never been nearly as infatuated with working the Internet as the other feds, 2) they probably would have mentioned it on the show more if it was, and 3) Austin pulled the same thing on Draft Day and that wasn't a work. (OR WAS IT???... I suppose it could have been a work that no one cared about and so has never been exposed as such, but seriously, I doubt that.)

If it isn't a work, then I think we need to know why he did it before we can criticize. For example, my opinion would be that Austin would not be justified in walking out because he didn't want to lose to Lesnar, but would be justified if he walked out because he objected to HBK's promo. That's just my opinion... you might evaluate those scenarios differently. Or then again, maybe it's neither of those things... maybe it's something completely different, or maybe it's a combination of many things. In the larger sense, Austin has the right to protest whatever he wants however he wants, and Vince has the right to fire him if he feels like it... it's not going to ultimately matter who's "justified" doing what. If you do want to speculate about who's justified, you should at least get all the info (including whether it's a work or not ;-), and we don't have that right now.

(edited by T.R. on 11.6.02 1551)


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#73 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Congratulations, Steve-O, you've beocme the one thing you always (supposedly) hated. I hope you enjoy keeping others from the top like Ric Flair did to you in the early nineties, because the way things are going it's likely that another couple of your crybaby outbursts could result in the fed finally shutting it's doors for good


Let's take a look at this for a second. ALLEGEDLY, (sp?) Austin walked out because he was supposed to job to Brock Lesnar. If this was truly the case, I ask you this: Who would have benefited from this outcome? Austin? No. He would have just lost a match to a mid-card wrestler that has no REAL business being put in a match with one of the top men in the industry this early in his career. Furthermore, WHY would he be in a match with Austin? What would be the logic behind this storyline?

So, that leaves the logic that Brock would benefit from a win over Austin, right? In my opinion, this is not the case either. I mean, here is a guy that has been on TV for a very limited amount of time, right now is being portrayed as an unstoppable monster, and then he is supposed to secure a victory over someone with the stature of Austin?! Great! Brock is terrific! Except, there's problem...where does he go from there. He's already beaten one of the top dogs? Now what? Exactly. HE has nowhere to go. Does this sound vaguely familiar to you? Goldberg had this exact same scenario a few year back, and what happened? They gave him win over Hogan. Once that happened, there was nothing left for him to do. He was put in a series of ridiculous storylines and the fans got sick of him (more so than they already were, that is).

So, if you look at it with that outcome, maybe, just MAYBE, IF everything that we've read is true, then perhaps Austin was not looking out solely for himself, but looking out for the good of the company and the good of the younger talent that he is supposedly trying to keep down.



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#74 Posted on
Umm, in the opening interview between Vinny Mac and The Naitch, they mention that Austin pulled a no-show.

Like CRZ says, if's it's on TV, it's a work.

I have a feeling that if he was gone for good, he would vanish, just like Chyna. The only difference is, she had a belt to drop, and Austin doesn't.
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#75 Posted on
Fuck this. One more explanatory point, then you guys are on your own to tie yourselves up in your own logic:

Putting Brocky over would benefit BROCK, and if done right, could help rejuvenate interest in Austin. And that's irrelevant anyway, because wrestling as a business isn't about who's better. If Austin has a problem with doing a job because he thinks it adversely affects him, then he's no better than any other one of the innumerable whiners.

And there have been exceptions to Z's Golden Rule; the Lawler/Kat thing, for example, was mentioned by Paul E. during his inaugural Raw introduction last year. And that sure as Hell wasn't a work.



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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
i just hope he had a real reason to leave...

or he didn;t leave at all, and some one leaked to 1bob that he did, and they are trying to create a buzz ala hbk, so when he does return i bet there's a huge announcement...

remember, raw's #'s have been sucking, and vince needs the #'s to go up...sweeps month is only 2 months away....






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#77 Posted on
So i guess the whole owen injuring austin in the mid 90's was a wort too.

And as far as the current situation in the wwf goes, forget austin.
What the hell is EDDIE gonna do now???



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#78 Posted on
Sweeps month happened already in May. Next one is November.

I forget who wrote this already, but its true. Maybe if Vince and co. went back to writing shows a week ahead of time there wouldn't be dramatic rewrites and problems because it would be worked out days before. After all, they just split the booking crew! All they have to do now is write a show a week! What's the problem here??
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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by angrycheesehead
    ALLEGEDLY, (sp?) Austin walked out because he was supposed to job to Brock Lesnar.
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#80 Posted on
What point was that?

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