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Since: 9.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Just a couple of quick points, assuming that Austin really did no-show against the WWF's wishes:

1) If Austin doesn't like what they're doing to his character and takes some time off, what's the big deal? Is he killing off other characters? No. Is Chris Benoit going to be sent to Jakked because of this? No. (So you guys should be happy) Why is this such a major offense to so many when it truely affects so few? Is everyone just so desperate for wrestling-news/gossip that this sets everyone off?

2) Everyone keeps talking about how "Austin isn't bigger than the company" and how he should "do the right thing". Why should he? If he doesn't look out for his best interests, who will? If a wrestler doesn't take steps to protect their career, they may as well change their name to friggin' Crash Holly because they'll be walked all over. This isn't some great family where NO ONE would EVER want to take Austin's spot as the top money-maker. If the WWF hurts his character too much, he starts slipping down the card, and Wrestlemania may have been the start of that. Thanks to Vince, there's no other company either. If he drops too far in the WWF, where is he going to go? He can't play WWF against WCW when his contract comes up, so he does what little he can to make a statement.

3) I assume by all these "Austin is going to hell!!!" postings that no one here has ever woken up and decided for whatever reason to "no-show" work or school and just called in sick when they weren't really? Why should wrestlers not have a way to do what most people do regularily when they put a hell of a lot more of themselves into their job than we do?


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#2 Posted on
Sigh...


1) If Austin doesn't like what they're doing to his character and takes some time off, what's the big deal? Is he killing off other characters? No. Is Chris Benoit going to be sent to Jakked because of this? No. (So you guys should be happy) Why is this such a major offense to so many when it truely affects so few? Is everyone just so desperate for wrestling-news/gossip that this sets everyone off?


Um... effects so few? I throws the entire WWF creative direction off-kilter, which hurts everyone. If the WWF looks stupid going into the split because Austin vetoed the ending to his match that would have set it up, and then walks out even after he got his way (and making the supposed "monster heel" nWo look weak as hell in the process), forcing the WWF to make up some dumbass "he had a contractual clause" explanation for his absence and make Flair look like a total tool for drafting exactly no main-event faces, then it hurts the business as a whole and Austin's a whiny bitch. Dear lord I love run-on sentences.



2) Everyone keeps talking about how "Austin isn't bigger than the company" and how he should "do the right thing". Why should he? If he doesn't look out for his best interests, who will? If a wrestler doesn't take steps to protect their career, they may as well change their name to friggin' Crash Holly because they'll be walked all over. This isn't some great family where NO ONE would EVER want to take Austin's spot as the top money-maker. If the WWF hurts his character too much, he starts slipping down the card, and Wrestlemania may have been the start of that. Thanks to Vince, there's no other company either. If he drops too far in the WWF, where is he going to go? He can't play WWF against WCW when his contract comes up, so he does what little he can to make a statement.



Yeah, because Austin was in such massive danger of turning into a job-hound. Somehow I doubt he's in danger of having to work Jakked just yet. And anyway, at this point he's on the tail end of his career (providing he doesn't pull a Hogan), and can hardly expect to be the center of the damn promotion forever.


3) I assume by all these "Austin is going to hell!!!" postings that no one here has ever woken up and decided for whatever reason to "no-show" work or school and just called in sick when they weren't really? Why should wrestlers not have a way to do what most people do regularily when they put a hell of a lot more of themselves into their job than we do?


Okay:

I don't remember anyone assigning a real moral dimension to this. They've maybe said Austin's being a whiny bitch, and he is (provided these rumours are true, of course). And he is. You know why? Because losing a match to Vince + the Outsiders isn't going to end his career, but refusing to cooperate with the creative team (however crappy they may be) will. Vince is only going to lick Austin's bunghole for so long before he realizes he has four or five other over main eventers and a deep roster full of people who could theoretically be pulled up to the top level, and all but a couple of them have signifigantly longer shelf-lives than the Rattlesnake. And your analogy is disingenuous, unless you think anyone posting here expects to take two weeks off his job in selfish protest and then still have it waiting for him when he comes back.

Don't get me wrong, I think Austin's the most talented performer of his generation and I hope this is all just some stupid work, but if it isn't I find it next to impossible to rationalize Austin's actions.
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#3 Posted on
PREFACE: All of this is from the perspective that Austin is "holding out." I certainly don't know if that is true or not. But if he is...


Is Austin under contract or is he not? Didn't he sign his name on the dotted line, agreeing to abide by creative team decisions in exchange for a paycheck? Maybe I'm a dunderhead here, but knowing VKM, I doubt seriously he would give anyone "veto" power written into their contracts. That would be suicide. Of course he will give them some leway, which he must do to keep the work force happy. If SCSA signed a deal agreeing to work for WWFE, he needs to get his ass of the couch and get back to the arena. If he doesn't like it he can either quit or suck it up until renegotiation time comes around as his current contract nears expiration.

Everyone wants to be the Big Dog, but everyone can't be the Everlasting King. I write this under the assumption that the reports are true about his bitching, which none of us know. What if they are accurate? What kind of locker room leader is Austin being? Is this how he intends to earn the respect of the up and commers and those who book his matches? And what happens if Vince gives in? Next time he may have Rock, Angle, Booker, RVD, Undertaker, and Hogan all walk out in a childish fit. What's going to happen then? X-Pac vs D'Lo Brown main events?

Look at Y2J. After losing the Undisputed Title at WM, he was the most gracious and thankful person you could ever expect to talk to. He openly thanked Vince and the WWF for giving him the opportunity, and he vowed to work harder than ever to earn the right to be there again. But if he doesn't make it, he will be fulfilled. He didn't moan like a two year old. He said, "What do you want me to do next?"

If Austin wants to be a writer on the creative time, let him apply for the job. If he wants sole booking power, he can start his own Fed. Until then, he needs to do what his boss pays him to do.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    3) I assume by all these "Austin is going to hell!!!" postings that no one here has ever woken up and decided for whatever reason to "no-show" work or school and just called in sick when they weren't really? Why should wrestlers not have a way to do what most people do regularily when they put a hell of a lot more of themselves into their job than we do?


Calling in sick when you're not is hardly comparable to flat out refusing to go because of what you perceive as work conditions. Calling in sick is simply wanting a day off, while Austin's actions (if true; I don't know what to believe but generally if the Torch and Observer report it there is some truth to it) are more similar to a one-man strike.



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#5 Posted on
Well one thing in Steve's Defence he can at least take some time off to look at the creative direction of the company or "Companies" from a diffrent perpective. (As an observer not as a active participant)and find out where he (Austin) can fit in. Yes I know for fact the same cannot and SHOULD not apply to Any wrestler. But obviously VKM still thinks Austin could be a viable asset to the over all product. Which is why he is allowing Austin time off the cool his heels a little.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Austin's actions would not upset me at all if he weren't such an integral part of storylines at the time. Bret Hart did something similar in 1996, but because he had just dropped the title and his leaving didn't really impact storylines at all, it was no big deal. Austin's pouting, however, has changed the direction of the company entirely.



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Since: 4.1.02
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#7 Posted on
Let's look at the actual effect of Austin not being ther (whatever the reason): The writers have to get off their asses and stop using one guy as a crutch when they have over 60 guys to choose from to work with. The writers could have shown the world that Austin wasn't the end-all, be-all of the WWF. Instead, they showed their lack of creativity and have placed the company itself in a bad position because of it. Blame the writers for any problems that arise because of Austin no-showing because the fact is, they should have contingency plans in place. I mean, what is Vince paying them for?



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    Let's look at the actual effect of Austin not being ther (whatever the reason): The writers have to get off their asses and stop using one guy as a crutch when they have over 60 guys to choose from to work with. The writers could have shown the world that Austin wasn't the end-all, be-all of the WWF. Instead, they showed their lack of creativity and have placed the company itself in a bad position because of it. Blame the writers for any problems that arise because of Austin no-showing because the fact is, they should have contingency plans in place. I mean, what is Vince paying them for?


And hopefully the writers will end up finding someone to replace him, so he can realize the same thing that Bret Hart did: sitting out will get you nothing.
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#9 Posted on
If the writers were doing a decent job, Austin would learn that lesson, but the way things stand right now, it looks like Austin has Vince by the short and curlies and will get what he wants for now.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    If the writers were doing a decent job, Austin would learn that lesson, but the way things stand right now, it looks like Austin has Vince by the short and curlies and will get what he wants for now.


But Vince would only give in to Austin's demands so many times, especially now that there is no WCW for him to jump to. Eventually Vince will say "fuck him" and just promote one of the several other faces on the roster to take his place.



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#11 Posted on
The only thing that saved the writers this night was Kane's promo imitating both Rock and Hogan. I think that segment was Rock and Hogan's doing anyway, with the way it is set up.
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#12 Posted on
There are numerous factors as to why this case isn't as simple as "Well, Vince is paying him, so he has to show up."

First, wrestlers are not employees, but independent contractors. They do not have workman's compensation benefits, employer health benefits, or guaranteed sick leave. Most wrestlers, being young and stupid, ignore these things and work hurt, to please their employer. If a wrestler is hurt and needs to take time off, he can be sure that there is another guy out there who will work through the pain and take his spot.

Now, what does this have to do with Austin?

We can take this all one step further. Vince McMahon insisted that Austin work a program with Scott Hall. By all accounts, Austin feared that Hall was not a particularly safe opponenet and, giving his rather frail physical condition, it would not be in his best interests to wrestle someone who may not protect him fully in the ring.

Austin, not wanting to cause too much trouble, agrees to work with Hall under a modified booking agreement, simply to get past Wrestlemania. When Vince's post-WM plans have Austin continuing to feud with the nWo, he realizes that the potential physical risks are far too great.

This, of course, is a largely hypothetical scenario, constructed from snippets of news presented by the Torch and the Observer. Let's take a less favorable position toward Austin and see if his reasoning holds up.

In the weeks approaching Wrestlemania, the booking sheet looks as such: Nash works with HHH or Undertaker, Hogan works with Austin or Rock, Hall works with Austin or Rock, and Angle works with Jericho. This has been reported by both the Torch and the Observer.

Problems arise when both HHH and Undertaker refuse to work with Nash, and Austin expresses concern over using a money match with Hogan so soon without proper buildup. When Vince allowed both HHH and Undertaker to alter his booking plans, effectively undermining both Kurt Angle and Steve Austin, they both have no recourse in defending themselves. Angle, still relatively new to the company, keeps his mouth shut. Austin, having gained a fair amount of backstage clout, decides to take a vacation.

I do not agree that wrestlers should have the right to book themselves into whatever angles they choose, or sit out whenever they want; if every wrestler did this, the company would fall apart. However, with the precedent set by both the Undertaker and HHH, and with a booking sheet filled by matches with Hall and Nash, I can see why Austin would try to use some leverage when dealing with management. It is quite obvious that HHH and Undertaker have both played Austin for a fool, and he's trying to make up some ground on them.



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#13 Posted on

Austin's "Stone Cold" character has gotten boring and staid and one-dimensional, for which he has no one but himself to blame. His appearances have degenerated into schtick and self-parody, and I didn't miss him in the least these last 2 weeks.

He does the same tired act no matter who the opponent, no matter what the situation. I'm more than ready to move on.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by shea

    Austin's "Stone Cold" character has gotten boring and staid and one-dimensional, for which he has no one but himself to blame. His appearances have degenerated into schtick and self-parody, and I didn't miss him in the least these last 2 weeks.

    He does the same tired act no matter who the opponent, no matter what the situation. I'm more than ready to move on.



That's why Austin should have stayed heel. It brought out a side of him (several sides, actually) we had never seen before but are now gone because he's a face. He is now the same person in every way (give or take a few catch phrases) that beat Shawn Michaels for the WWF Title at WrestleMania XIV. He may be a better wrestler now after surgery, but he still has change very little in the last 4-5 years.



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