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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.10
I can understand and agree with Cajunman here, but as well with everyone else. I can appreciate that the head of BP needs some time off, lord knows he's being put through the public wringer. What really sucks was what he was doing ON this time off.

I guess it makes sense, really. BP's head is spending time on a waterfront, partaking in a race, while somewhere else, the company he heads has caused a disaster destroyed the waterfront somewhere else.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
    Originally posted by Oliver
    What really sucks was what he was doing ON this time off.


What would you rather him doing? I suppose the only way it would be acceptable if he relaxed by working in a soup kitchen or something.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by Oliver
      What really sucks was what he was doing ON this time off.


    What would you rather him doing? I suppose the only way it would be acceptable if he relaxed by working in a soup kitchen or something.

I think the point is that it seems like a slap in the face that of all things he chose a water sport. But I think you probably knew what he meant.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by El Nastio
        Originally posted by Oliver
        What really sucks was what he was doing ON this time off.


      What would you rather him doing? I suppose the only way it would be acceptable if he relaxed by working in a soup kitchen or something.

    I think the point is that it seems like a slap in the face that of all things he chose a water sport. But I think you probably knew what he meant.

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Say, I don't know, I see a news report about Mike Harris and he's drinking a glass of water or even a bottle, perhaps. Or maybe those chaps who worked at the Public Utility Commission are on TV and I see them doing anything or being around anything water related.

Should I get outraged?

I didn't then and I didn't now.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I want you and others to look at "location" under my profile and see where I came from originally before moving to Ottawa.


    Say, I don't know, I see a news report about Mike Harris and he's drinking a glass of water or even a bottle, perhaps. Or maybe those chaps who worked at the Public Utility Commission are on TV and I see them doing anything or being around anything water related.

    Should I get outraged?

    I didn't then and I didn't now.

I don't particularly care what the guy does. Sorry, maybe that makes me a bad person.

But some people do care, and I think it's not completely out of the world to try to understand why. Your original statement was something along the lines of, "Yeah he went to a yacht race. So what? Why is that upsetting? I guess you're gonna be upset unless all he ever does is work work work or, in his down time, charity charity charity."

I don't think I (or anyone else in this thread) suggested that just by BEING around water the BP exec is being disrespectful or doing something wrong. I don't think it's hard to see the difference between drinking a bottle of water (c'mon man, really now?) and participating in/enjoying an upper class water sport such as yacht racing. It gives the appearance of impropriety. Like he's going out of his way to flaunt his privilege and ability to do whatever the hell he wants.

Just imagine if, after being found not guilty of double murder, OJ Simpson was seen a few weeks later out on a golf course. Yeah, some people are going to be upset, but that's really probably none of their business. But imagine instead if he was seen a few weeks later participating in the John Locke Invitational Knife Throwing Festival. Guilty or not, he might as well be tap dancing on Nicole and Ronald's graves. See the difference?

There's some sort of straw man kung fu going on in your argument and I think you know it.

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.40
Sting, while I agree its a bad PR move same with Obama going golfing, the reality is there is nothing either one of them can do. In some regards, they shouldn't be doing that much since that is why you have subordinates. No one wants to hear that since people sadly believe being a head of something means you automatically can fix it. None of these guys can swim to the bottom ocean and just put a band aid on it. I even heard some conservatives say we should send a sub down and torpedo it. Yeah, thats a great idea. The only way its going to stop this will be with the relief wells that will happen in August. People in this country have to come to grips with this terrible truth. Anything else is just window dressing or political wrangling.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Sting, while I agree its a bad PR move same with Obama going golfing, the reality is there is nothing either one of them can do.

This basically sums up my point. Neither of these jokers are going to go down there and fix the plumbing themselves, so it stands to reason they don't need to and shouldn't be expected to be on site and/or thinking about the problem 24/7. And yet, they need to watch how they carry themselves, what they say, and what they do for the sake of public opinion. And considering their respective positions in their respective organizations, public opinion should be very important to them.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
Does the fact that BPs CEO was relieved of his duties overseeing the efforts in the gulf, and was replaced BEFORE he left to go home to the UK make any difference at all? Or are we just going to pile on the guy because he was a smug prick in the congressional hearings?

Besides, I'd expect the POTUS to be more involved, especially when he's full of bravado about "kicking ass".

How many times did he go golfing before his first visit to the region? I think the number was around 38.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    How many times did he go golfing before his first visit to the region? I think the number was around 38.

Do I/you/we benefit somehow from a Presidential Golfing Counter? Just wondering.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      How many times did he go golfing before his first visit to the region? I think the number was around 38.

    Do I/you/we benefit somehow from a Presidential Golfing Counter? Just wondering.

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I won't get on Obama on that I mean I know another person that sure went to Crawford Tx alot during the Katrina aftermath.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
For all the hand wringing about a guy who has no responsibility being away from the scene on one weekend, I would think somebody who DOES. have a responsibility might be held to a different standard. Or are we only critical of GOP presidents?

From the farce of claiming this administration has been on scene since "day one" to his snow cone and crab cake three hour photo op, Obama has been derelict in his responsibility.
And, as we all know, he's going to use this to justify ramming cap and tax down our throats.

Additionally, if you want to compare this to Bush&Katrina let's not overlook the FACT that Louisiana (who didn't even bear the brunt of Katrina) refused to ask for Federal assistance right away, while in this case, every state is practically. BEGGING for more assistance and this sorry excuse for a POTUS throws every roadblock imaginable at them.

Refusing help from scores of sources, refusing to send boons that we have sitting in storage in the north east, stopping skimming efforts because of a lack of life preservers, stopping the building of off shore berms.

It's almost as if this administration WANTS to have this decimate the coast. I wonder, would this all be happening if Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were Blue States?

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Additionally, if you want to compare this to Bush&Katrina let's not overlook the FACT that Louisiana (who didn't even bear the brunt of Katrina) refused to ask for Federal assistance right away, while in this case, every state is practically. BEGGING for more assistance and this sorry excuse for a POTUS throws every roadblock imaginable at them.


    Originally posted by Armen Keteyian, CBS News
    All along the Gulf coast, local officials have been demanding more help from the federal government to fight the spill, yet the Gulf states have deployed just a fraction of the National Guard troops the Pentagon has made available, CBS News Chief Investigative Correspondent Armen Keteyian reports.

    That's a particular problem for the state of Louisiana, where the Republican governor has been the most vocal about using all resources.

    Gov. Bobby Jindal's message has been loud and clear, using language such as "We will only be winning this war when we're actually deploying every resource," "They (the federal government) can provide more resources" and "It's clear the resources needed to protect our coast are still not here."

    But nearly two months after the governor requested - and the Department of Defense approved the use of 6,000 Louisiana National Guard troops - only a fraction - 1,053 - have actually been deployed by Jindal to fight the spill.

    As of today, the federal government has authorized a total of 17,500 National Guard troops across four Gulf states, all to be paid for by BP.

    But CBS News has learned that in addition to Louisiana's 1,053 troops of 6,000, Alabama has deployed 432 troops of 3,000 available. Even fewer have been deployed in Florida - 97 troops out of 2,500 - and Mississippi - 58 troops out of 6,000.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41
Are you fucking kidding me? Well, I guess the GOP has followed the Obama Administration in making any crisis, an opportunity. If they had these troops for 2 months or even 1 month ago, then at this point most of the disaster is on them. I still blame BP for almost everything involved in this, but god damn, why would you do this to your own people? To what, get some political ammo for some pie in the sky dream of seating in the White House or to follow party lines. Just disgusting.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
6000 'troops' with what training? Artillery, Large Diesel repair, medical administration? Just saying "Okay, you can use your troops and we'll fund it" doesn't mean everybody who is there is capable of actually DOING anything. Coupled with the lack of supplies and support, having 6000 people sitting on the beach with buckets doesn't do much good.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    It's almost as if this administration WANTS to have this decimate the coast. I wonder, would this all be happening if Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were Blue States?


Uh, weren't they all red states around Katrina? I mean, really. You're just embarrassing yourself.





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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.59
If they are trained then what is the GOP excuse? Even if they are not, they are soldiers in the United States Army, they have had worse on the job training then helping stop an oil spill.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      It's almost as if this administration WANTS to have this decimate the coast. I wonder, would this all be happening if Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were Blue States?


    Uh, weren't they all red states around Katrina? I mean, really. You're just embarrassing yourself.


Perhaps I was unclear. Its the fact that they ARE red states, and they ARE being totally left twisting that makes this so egregious.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    If they are trained then what is the GOP excuse? Even if they are not, they are soldiers in the United States Army, they have had worse on the job training then helping stop an oil spill.

Do you know how National Guard troops are designated (job wise)?
Believe it or not, I doubt that the ARMY National Guard has a single second of maritime oil spill abatement training.

Because they are soldiers, doesn't mean they are magically able to do ANYTHING we ask them to do. Or have we forgotten Abu Grhaid's lesson of putting untrained people in important jobs.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by drjayphd
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        It's almost as if this administration WANTS to have this decimate the coast. I wonder, would this all be happening if Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were Blue States?


      Uh, weren't they all red states around Katrina? I mean, really. You're just embarrassing yourself.


    Perhaps I was unclear. Its the fact that they ARE red states, and they ARE being totally left twisting that makes this so egregious.


After clarification, this is still ludicrous.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by drjayphd
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        It's almost as if this administration WANTS to have this decimate the coast. I wonder, would this all be happening if Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were Blue States?


      Uh, weren't they all red states around Katrina? I mean, really. You're just embarrassing yourself.


    Perhaps I was unclear. Its the fact that they ARE red states, and they ARE being totally left twisting that makes this so egregious.


No, you were perfectly clear. The point was that they were left twisting during Katrina, under a Republican president, one who earned their electoral votes. I wouldn't claim Bush did that deliberately, and if you want to blame anyone for not going balls-out, look at the governors of those states for not deploying the National Guard, when they have plenty that they could directly do about the spill. This has everything to do with geography and nothing to do with politics.

I'm still trying to comprehend how anyone can, in all seriousness, claim that any President would want a state to suffer solely because they didn't win that state in their election. Ludicrous doesn't even begin to describe it. It would be absolute insanity if someone actually did that, and even thinking it would happen shows some disconnect.





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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
Obama's strategy is now based on the policy decisions of Dr. Doom.

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