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Since: 22.1.02
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I can't believe that someone who characterized Sept. 11 as God's wrath on gays and abortion rights advocates would have the gall to criticize ANYONE.



JONESBORO, Ark. (AP) — The Dixie Chicks’ stand on the war with Iraq may make them doves, but to the Rev. Jerry Falwell, they’re three ‘‘French hens.’’
‘‘I know they are just young girls and I know they weren’t thinking that clearly, but they said unacceptable things about their president,’’ Falwell said Monday during an appearance at Jonesboro.
At a March 10 concert in London, Dixie Chicks singer Natalie Maines told the audience in reference to Bush’s push for military action against Iraq: ‘‘Just so you know, we’re ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas.’’
Falwell apparently drew on France’s opposition to the war in giving the trio the sarcastic nickname. Falwell said Maines was wrong to speak critically of her country while overseas.
‘‘Politics should end at the shore when you leave the country,’’ he said. ‘‘You don’t talk about your own country, especially during war. ‘‘
Falwell knows what it is like to make statements that offend people. He drew fire in 2001 after he blamed civil liberties groups, abortion rights supporters and feminists for the terror attacks.
Even though Falwell later said he ‘‘made a statement that I should not have made and which I sincerely regret,’’ on Monday he characterized that as a clarification and ‘‘not so much an apology.’’
‘‘But I don’t sell records. And I don’t do it in England and I don’t do it in France. I do all of mine head to head, face to face in America as a taxpaying citizen,’’ Falwell said.




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Since: 6.1.02
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I'm sure others will point out the ridiculousness of Falwell in the normal ways. I've got two other points though:

#1 - "I know they're just young girls?" Way to be completely sexist Jerry. They're 34, 31, and 29, which makes them all old enoungh to be United States Representatives, and indeed, makes one of them older than at least 2 members of Congress and the New York City Council Speaker.

#2 - I can respect Jerry's "you don't talk shit about your country in other countries" stance. Not that I actual think Jerry believes what he's saying or anything (I'd be extremely surprised if he never criticized President Clinton on foreign soil), but it is a good policy in my book. When I was in Europe, you could have mistaken me for Pool-Boy or Bizzle Izzle here. After getting to know people I'd have an honest rational conversation about our respective countries strength and weaknesses, and I was never obnoxious about being an American when unprovoked (like a lot of folks tend to be), but I sure wouldn't take those Europeans' shit (favorite moment: when a German guy asked me in a condesending tone "I hear 80% of Death Row Inmates are black," to which I replied "please don't tell me a German is going to lecture me on racism," to which he shut the fuck up pretty quickly).

The people that pissed me off the most over there were the Americans that thought the Europeans would respect them more, or think they were cool or somehow not "typical Americans" if they started every conversation by apologizing for their citizenship.

That being said, that means THE COUNTRY not THE PRESIDENT. Although Karl Rove would like to convince you otherwise THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Not in peacetime, not in "police action" time, not in actual-declared-by-congress-war time. Not ever. I mean, honestly, if a French guy told you he doesn't like Jasque Chirac, and is ashamed to be from the 13th addrotisment (or whatever the hell they call those neighborhoods in Paris) would you think he hates France or is ashamed to be French? I had no trouble being anti-current president and pro-America. It's very easy. The GOP did it great for 8 years.



(edited by MoeGates on 29.4.03 1545)


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Since: 22.1.02
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Yeah, it does get a little tiresome when people flip-flop on their loyalties when speaking to someone with a different accent.

The way I look at it, it's kinda like family. I can talk shit about my family all I want, but if you do it first, I'll probably get pissed.

But Maines was obviously expressing dismay with the current administration and the GOP are the worst kind of hypocrites with their aghast reaction to her statement.



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Since: 16.4.02
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    "Please don't tell me a German is going to lecture me on racism," to which he shut the fuck up pretty quickly.


That's just SCREAMING for a rebuttal by Arte Johnson sneaking up from the ferns. Either way...I'm laughing my *ss off. Most hilarious thing I've heard all day. :-)



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I can't stand Chirac by the way. Corrupt peace of crap. So yea, MoeGates statement is completely valid.
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Since: 8.1.02
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Is this thread supposed to demonstrate that Falwell is the only person who has vented on the Dixie Chicks and said more or less the same things he is saying?

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Since: 7.1.02
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What surprises me is that anybody cares about what Falwell has to say. (or Maines for that matter)

(edited by ges7184 on 29.4.03 1750)
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