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Since: 11.12.01
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Welcome to record high CORN prices:

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Since: 25.1.02
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Saint Louis' average rainfall is 37 inches. They're at about 32-33 already this year. That rain has inundated Central Illinois...and made it so a LOT of farmers haven't been able to get their corn crops in. A lot are switching to beans, and there won't be nearly as large a corn crop this year as last.

I hear that along the Illinois River the corn got in on time and to a good percentage, but a lot of the Prairie State is in bad shape quantity wise.



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Alex
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Since: 24.2.02

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.51
God, this is going to make food so expensive. Corn syrup is in EVERYTHING.
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Since: 8.10.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.98
    Originally posted by Alex
    God, this is going to make food so expensive. Corn syrup is in EVERYTHING.


It is going to make meat and prepared foods expensive. If it caused a decrease in sugary drink consumption would that be so bad? The price of fuel has more of an impact on food prices than corn.



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Since: 11.7.02
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
The increase in corn prices is actually due to increased ethanol production, since Washington prefers to pander to Midwestern voters by using corn ethanol instead of the much more energy and cost efficient Brazilian model based around sugar ethanol...
MoeGates
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Since: 6.1.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
Are you sure this isn't more due to the fact that there's a lot more sugar cane in Brazil, and a lot more corn here?



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Since: 24.3.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Are you sure this isn't more due to the fact that there's a lot more sugar cane in Brazil, and a lot more corn here?

Yeah, wikipedia indicates that Brazil produces 16X the amount of sugarcane as the United States. It also says that sugarcane can only be grown in tropical and subtropical environments, which is why it is basically only produced in Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana, Texas, and Puerto Rico among the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_cane#Production

With that said, I think his greater point, that the rise in corn prices is also somewhat due to the increased amount of ethanol created from the corn, is a reasonable one. The United States has production facilities capable of producing 7 billion gallons of ethanol per year. According to http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question707.htm , it takes 26.1 lbs of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol. US corn production is 2.8 million metric tons. Some math shows that producing those 7 billion gallons of ethanol would use about 30% of our nation's corn supply. Add that onto corn's other uses as a livestock feed, and its use in human food products, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there's a shortage.
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Since: 8.10.03
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.98
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Are you sure this isn't more due to the fact that there's a lot more sugar cane in Brazil, and a lot more corn here?


Bingo! Plus the US is working on sources higher in sugar like super sweet sorghum. The real problem here is that we blew off the last 30 years when we could have been developing alternative energy sources. Both parties screwed this up.



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bash91
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Since: 2.1.02
From: Plain Dealing, LA

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.96
And, just to add insult to injury, this is also going to drive other prices higher because farmers are planting more corn and less of other crops since it is so profitable to grow corn. We planted about 30% more corn this year and the vast majority of the soybeans we planted will be for feed for our cattle this winter and not for sale. I'm hearing the same kind of numbers or worse from lots of local farmers.

One of the farmers to whom we sell our heifers planted about 1000 more acres of corn this year than last and only planted enough beans for what he'll need as protein in his winter rations. The farmer across the road planted 200 more acres of corn this year than last and didn't plant any beans for the first time in a long time.

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Since: 24.7.02

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by MoeGates
      Are you sure this isn't more due to the fact that there's a lot more sugar cane in Brazil, and a lot more corn here?


    Bingo! Plus the US is working on sources higher in sugar like super sweet sorghum. The real problem here is that we blew off the last 30 years when we could have been developing alternative energy sources. Both parties screwed this up.




Forget alternate energy sources, we should have been thinking outside the box on forms of transport. How did the automobile become the final stop on modes of travel? Jet packs were demonstrated at the NFL/AFL Championship Game, and that was more than 4 decades ago. Where are the inventive minds that could find a manner to make salt water power an engine, as salt water is in immense quantity? And, most importantly, where the hell is my hover car? Develop those, and the crumbling infrastructure becomes less worrisome.
rinberg
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Since: 30.1.02
From: South Georgia

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Would a flying car (terrafugia.com) suffice? It's only $150,000 and it gets around 23 mpg on Super Unleaded gas. Of course, they won't complete the prototype until the end of the year, so this is mostly speculation, IMHO.-- Oh, and it won't really do anything to help you save money on gas. But it is a flying car...

On topic, I think we are making a mistake by putting our food in our gas tanks. Maybe ethanol from switchgrass (sciam.com) is a better solution, since it has a much higher energy yield then corn ethanol and only has to be planted once. Then again, farmers are a limited resource too and, if we have a larger percentage of our farmers working to make bio-fuels instead of food, we might still have staple shortages and higher prices.

tl;dr --> Where is my hydrogen fuel cell powered car that exhausts water?



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Since: 8.10.03
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.98
    Originally posted by rinberg
    Would a flying car (terrafugia.com) suffice? It's only $150,000 and it gets around 23 mpg on Super Unleaded gas. Of course, they won't complete the prototype until the end of the year, so this is mostly speculation, IMHO.-- Oh, and it won't really do anything to help you save money on gas. But it is a flying car...

    On topic, I think we are making a mistake by putting our food in our gas tanks. Maybe ethanol from switchgrass (sciam.com) is a better solution, since it has a much higher energy yield then corn ethanol and only has to be planted once. Then again, farmers are a limited resource too and, if we have a larger percentage of our farmers working to make bio-fuels instead of food, we might still have staple shortages and higher prices.

    tl;dr --> Where is my hydrogen fuel cell powered car that exhausts water?



Switchgrass work goes back to the 1970s. The easy product from it is methanol, not ethanol and has a long way to go. The whole cellulosc biomass to ethanol is scary because of th long-term implications on the conditions of our soils. if we remove too much plant residue it will significantly degrade soil quality and we are screwed and as we divert forages from animals to ethanol, it will further drive ip meat prices.



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Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by rinberg


    tl;dr --> Where is my hydrogen fuel cell powered car that exhausts water?


I saw a report on my local Fox news the other night that said that San Diego has a few hydrogen fueled buses and might roll out some hybrid-diesel buses soon.

From the report, the sticker and repair costs on the hydrogen buses are alot more than diesel, but they hope they will save in fuel in the long run. With advances in technology, they expect to pay less for hydrogen buses on their next order.

If the DC area doesn't have hydrogen buses, I hope we et them soon. We had natural gas buses for a while in my county. They converted alot of diesel buses to natural gas and when we had a new county counsel, they converted them BACK to diesel, eating what little they saved in fuel costs with the conversions.

(edited by Zeruel on 12.6.08 0522)


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Since: 22.1.02
From: Pittsburgh, PA

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I have a question about hydrogen fueled vehicles.

If I'm driving one in the northern regions, and it exhausts water, wouldn't that water freeze in the winter? I know that it would probably be hot or at least tepid, but it would still be adding water to frozen streets and then eventually freezing. Things like this keep me up at night (well at least when I'm "discussing" things with my son).
samoflange
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Since: 22.2.04
From: Cambridge, MA

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
One solution which has been implemented by Honda in some of their FCX units is to have a small water holding tank. I'm not sure if a certain amount of anti-freeze is pre-added to the tank, or if it is kept warm due to proximity to other components or a dedicated heater. The amount of water exhaust is relatively low, so the added weight of such a holding tank should not significantly affect performance provided that it is emptied regularly.



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