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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
Some drama surrounding Zack Ryder and the potential end of Z! True Long Island Stories.



With everything that's happened to Ryder in the last year, I wouldn't doubt for a second that The E's looking to kill the last thing the poor guy has left. And yet, Ryder looks to be having a lot of fun with this, riffing Vince's 2002 nWo promo.

So what do you make of this? Have we seen the last of Z! True Long Island Stories? And by extension, are we seeing the beginning of the end for Ryder?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.29
Ryder announced a while back (maybe a month ago) he'd be ending on episode 100. It seems like it's his call - though maybe it's a call he's more willing to make after WWE forced him to re-edit a couple of his videos and surely gave him other static.

Everything's got to end sometime, and it's not like these are working to his benefit anymore. Maybe it's time for a change, he seems ready to move on here. It's creative he did the Vince/nWo promo in this one, but it's odd that's all he did. It's been a while since I've watched on of these, but he usually has a lot more ideas to throw in 8 minutes - this felt like he was rushing thru #99 because he wanted to focus on #100, or he was rushing thru #99 because he was done with this whole thing. More the latter.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.18
If Ryder's about done in WWE, no doubt he'll have his choice of wrestling promotions to go to. WWE hasn't been able to kill his popularity completely, no matter how hard they've tried.

And let's be clear: They have tried to book Ryder into oblivion. Vince couldn't stand the fact that someone took a unique gimmick and got himself over, and rather than seeing dollar signs and running with it, he decided to give him a brief push to the U.S. Title (which he should have won at Survivor Series; instead they gave the shot to the departing John Morrison so that Miz could stick his head in the sand the following night).

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
Ryder had one Smackdown where he avenged himself on Eve and Kane which turned out to be the best show they did last year. The fact that Mania is sorta close to his hometown and they will have nothing for him is going to be the height of stupidity. I was at a live event a year ago and Ryder got a bigger reaction and sold more merch than Cena. Its mind boggling they throw away talent people are into for talent half the audience is booing or could give a shit about.

(edited by lotjx on 5.1.13 0725)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
He's Koko B Ware with a YouTube show instead of a bird. I watch his matches and try to see the allure. I don't. I just don't. He's being used exactly right: as a classic gimmicked jobber.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
Hopefully once he finishes becoming the #sevenfigurebroski he'll Christian Cage his way over to TNA.

Or perhaps he is just turning heel, and the WWE might have not wanted a heel to have as popular of a (grassroots) youtube show as he did.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    He's Koko B Ware with a YouTube show instead of a bird. I watch his matches and try to see the allure. I don't. I just don't. He's being used exactly right: as a classic gimmicked jobber.


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      He's Koko B Ware with a YouTube show instead of a bird. I watch his matches and try to see the allure. I don't. I just don't. He's being used exactly right: as a classic gimmicked jobber.


    Nobody ever chanted We Want Koko.


Maybe not in YOUR house.

I get the argument that Matt Tracker is making. But I don't think anyone is saying Zack Ryder should be main eventing Wrestlemania, or even be World Champ. However, surely he earned a decent run with the US Title. He did get himself over, which is kind of the whole point of pro wrestling. He seemed to make enemies by doing so.





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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      He's Koko B Ware with a YouTube show instead of a bird. I watch his matches and try to see the allure. I don't. I just don't. He's being used exactly right: as a classic gimmicked jobber.


    Nobody ever chanted We Want Koko.


Outside of the Tri-State area, nobody really chants for Ryder, either.

He may have support but I think the Internet often seriously overestimates these sort of things.

He's funny, sure, but there's nothing that screams "instant star".
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
He got himself over in a way seemingly the other guys couldn't, Miz and Morrison had their show produced by the WWE. But in the ring, I don't see a moveset. I really see three moves: running boot, Zack Attack, and, um, one other I can't remember. I admit I'm all over Broadus Clay's packaging, but one he hits the ring, he's deadweight. And we've seen Clay and Ryder seemingly plateau as ring fodder. I think there's a reason for this.

(Doesn't Ryback have, like, three moves? Yes, and I think he's peaked unless he can Show. Us. More.)

Zack got the short end of the stick in his US run and the Eve/Cena/Kane angle. I remember Punk standing with him in the ring in a moment that seemed to suggest a new generation of superstars. I remember Cena treating him like an equal. Maybe the Ryder plummet is a sign they can't follow through on Cena angles anymore.

Teaming with Santino also seems like a sign that he's in the WWE hey-kids division with Kofi and Broadus. So he has a function and, more important, a steady gig. But until he scales back the gimmick that has defined him, he can't get over as a credible character. I think he's woo-woo-wooed himself into a corner.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    He's funny, sure, but there's nothing that screams "instant star".


No one's arguing that he's an "instant star," but he at least earned an opportunity. And instead of building on the U.S. title win, this company took 2012 to pull the rug out from under him at every turn.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      He's funny, sure, but there's nothing that screams "instant star".


    No one's arguing that he's an "instant star," but he at least earned an opportunity. And instead of building on the U.S. title win, this company took 2012 to pull the rug out from under him at every turn.


Nobody "pulled the rug out from under him", he just never did anything. The WWE did plenty to try and put him out front yet what does he offer besides being a lame Jersey Shore knockoff?

At least Santino or Ricardo are genuinely entertaining and get a fan response from crowds other than New York.

(edited by wannaberockstar on 5.1.13 1925)
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by It's False
        Originally posted by wannaberockstar
        He's funny, sure, but there's nothing that screams "instant star".


      No one's arguing that he's an "instant star," but he at least earned an opportunity. And instead of building on the U.S. title win, this company took 2012 to pull the rug out from under him at every turn.


    Nobody "pulled the rug out from under him", he just never did anything. The WWE did plenty to try and put him out front yet what does he offer besides being a lame Jersey Shore knockoff?

    At least Santino or Ricardo are genuinely entertaining and get a fan response from crowds other than New York.

    (edited by wannaberockstar on 5.1.13 1925)


That is crap. Santio is funny, but Ricardo is not. He is just random chickenshit heel that takes a beating. He is a poor man's Col. Parker. Santino's shelf life is pretty much over.

Ryder went out and made himself a star. The WWE did nothing with him til fans everywhere, because the internet goes everywhere, were cheering for him. It was so bad that Rock on his big return match had to acknowledge it. When the WWE got a hold of him, they sacrificed his heat to get Cena over, because they knew he would get the shit booed out of him going to Mania with Rock. So, they once again threw away someone who was making them money to get Cena over and they blew it on all levels. Cena still got booed at Mania which he lost anyway, Ryder was stuck being everyone's bitch and waiting til June to get his revenge.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        He's Koko B Ware with a YouTube show instead of a bird. I watch his matches and try to see the allure. I don't. I just don't. He's being used exactly right: as a classic gimmicked jobber.


      Nobody ever chanted We Want Koko.


    Outside of the Tri-State area, nobody really chants for Ryder, either.


His reaction is understandably down after a year of being a prelim jobber, but Ryder was more over in December 2011 than Ryback was in September 2012. And he's still a lot more over than his push.


    Nobody "pulled the rug out from under him", he just never did anything. The WWE did plenty to try and put him out front


At the peak of his popularity after winning the United States title, Ryder didn't win a match on TV in 2012 until June 19.

    Originally posted by Matt
    I really see three moves: running boot, Zack Attack, and, um, one other I can't remember.


It's hard to showcase your offense when your only role for a year is to take a beating for 3 minutes, make a small comeback, hit the boot, miss the Rough Ryder, and get armbarred by Del Rio.


    Teaming with Santino also seems like a sign that he's in the WWE hey-kids division with Kofi and Broadus. So he has a function and, more important, a steady gig. But until he scales back the gimmick that has defined him, he can't get over as a credible character.


I think you're right, but that's a function of his burial, his burial was not a function of that.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Ricardo is not funny.


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
There's no point in saying that he doesn't deserve a chance to make it in the WWE because he lacks a strong moveset, or that he's not the greatest technical wrestler they have by a long shot.

The roster is packed FULL of guys that aren't great wrestlers. The thing that makes Ryder different is the guy has charisma, and that's always been more than enough for the WWE to get behind someone who could make them money.

Unfortunately, the WWE decided a long time ago that Ryder is a prelim guy, and this isn't the same company that lets people break through from the roll they've been assigned. When an interviewer says they really like Ryder, and Triple H laughs and says he has no fans, that's a hell of a sign right there that the glass ceiling is alive and well with the WWE.

Ryder got himself over when the top guys in the company had decided it wasn't possible. He proved Vince and Hunter wrong, and he's been paying for it ever since. In Vince/Hunter's mind, Ryder can never be over, and they will kill any chance of making money off the guy to prove that fans were wrong for getting hehind him.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
Dude does a wonderful tope con helo. I think the issue regarding moveset is, as mentioned, he doesn't get the chance to use it.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Moveset suppression is a good point. I'm still waiting to see Antonio's airplane spin, for example.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I remember Punk standing with him in the ring in a moment that seemed to suggest a new generation of superstars.


I believe that was the Philly RAW in December 2011 with Punk, Bryan & Ryder standing tall to end the year with their belts. That was also the show (or maybe the next Philly RAW in March, but still...) where *everyone* seemingly had Zack merch...they were even selling wigs of his spiked hair attached to headbands.

If a guy in this day & age is selling that much merch and making money for the company, shouldn't you at least try to keep that going?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
If Ryder decides he needed running buddies and formed the Four Horsebros/The Four Bronies, I would buy a box of headbands.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.95
Regarding Zack Ryder's in-ring abilities, this was the match where I became sold as a Zack Ryder fan:

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