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Kinda writing this to sort out my own thought after reading live coverage.

Prices
Shuffle: $79 (1 GB)
Nano: $149 (4 GB) and $199 (8 GB)
iPod Classic: $249 (80 GB) and $349 (160 GB)
iPod Touch: $299 (8 GB) and $399 (16 GB)
iPhone: $399 (8 GB), down $200. Sucks for the people who bought it at release. 4 GB version may be dead.

Changes

Shuffle: Five colors (black, white, blue, green, [Africa charity] Red)

Nano now has video (bigger screen) and games, same five colors for 8 GB (silver only for 4 GB), 24 hours of audio playback, 5 hours of video.

iPod Classic is the new name for the iPod w/video. It's slightly thinner. 160 GB has 40 hours of audio and 7 hours of video playback. This, and the Shuffle and Nano are apparently available now.

iPod Touch is the much rumored iPhone without phone. Wireless b/g, Safari and YouTube built in, cross over application with Starbucks no one will care about. 22 hours of audio playback, 5 hours of video. Will be available sometime this month.

iTouch and iPhone will have access to a wireless iTunes store, so you can preview and buy songs via the internet.

They also announced iPhone ringtones for $0.99, in addition to the $0.99 you already paid for the song.

I was hoping for more GBs on the Touch; I think I've got around 9-10 GB on my current iPod, and 5 GB doesn't sound like a lot of room for video. But I've really wanted a mobile internet device that's not my phone, and $399 is just about where I figured it'd be.

(edited by thecubsfan on 5.9.07 1343)


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Having anything called "iPod Classic" makes me feel old. I remember my first gen Windows 5 GB arriving as my birthday present a couple weeks before they popped up in stores. Thing still works, too, even after I dropped it on the parking lot at college several times, although I'm sure the battery life would be brutal. And the center button stopped working; to select something you just flick the hold button on and off once.

Anyway, the whole lineup is totally *drool*. Plus you can now buy an iPod Touch and hold it up to your ear and pretend to have an iPhone.

One question: if you buy an iTunes Store song directly from your iPod, can you transfer it onto your computer if you sync your iPod with a copy of iTunes with the same account registered? Otherwise you wouldn't have a backup copy of the song, and that would make me not want to use the iPod version of the store.

(edited by PeterStork on 5.9.07 1422)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The Wireless purchases will be ported over to your desktop, next time you sync it with your iTouch/iPhone. So you'll end up with your normal backup.

What we really need next is wireless syncing.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I was hoping for more GBs on the Touch; I think I've got around 9-10 GB on my current iPod, and 5 GB doesn't sound like a lot of room for video. But I've really wanted a mobile internet device that's not my phone, and $399 is just about where I figured it'd be.

I believe the working theory is you're not going to keep a library of videos stored on the iPod. You're just going to load what you feel like watching at a particular time. 16 GB seems just fine to me, as I'm still using a 20 GB 3rd gen iPod and that always seemed like too much.

If you do want to carry around a library of videos, the 160 GB Classic is the way to go.

But a WiFi touchscreen iPod with twice the storage of an iPhone? SOLD.



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Oh man, consider me STOKED. I hated that I couldn't put video on my 1st generation iPod Nano; and that I had to put on some custom Linux firmware to enable it. I mean, the screen was awesome on it. I had to buy an iPod clone to play video.

The iTouch sounds absolutely awesome. I hope it supports drag and drop instead of requiring the iTunes software.

EDIT: Here are some links from Engadget:

iPod Touch is official

New iPod Classic

New iPod Nano

(edited by Oliver on 5.9.07 1814)


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I know a lot of people could care less about the Starbucks deal, and see it as just another commercial enterprise, but I am psyched for it. Personally I could care less about what music they're playing in the U.S. Starbucks' since I can more or less find that anywhere. But once worldwide implementation is in place, imagine walking into a Starbucks in JAPAN, hearing a Japanese song you really like, and dl-ing it right then and there. Now THAT (to me anyway) would be cool. No more hunting for songs, or wondering what the title was or any of that. As long as this service doesn't get caught up in too much international DRM wrangling and the such, it could be very very cool.

Does anybody know if you'll be able to download podcasts directly to the ipod?



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iPods are ridiculously overpriced.

There are MP3/Video players that have 8 gigs for less then $100 being advertised all the time at stores like Frys or Best Buy and you don't have that DRM shit to work around. Sears just had a sale of a 4 gig video player for $60. Best Buy had a 8 gig player for $50! (but only 10 per store...)

Give it a couple months and I'm sure Sanyo or some other knockoff company will put out a WiFi player for like $150 or so.

The Starbucks deal is kinda neat, but what if it could be universal and work through any business. Maybe have the device record part of a song and do a search online for what the song is. This would be something to get excited about, but most of the shit I hear in coffee houses isn't worth searching for anyway. Paul McCartney's last album wasn't all that great.

The Cat Stevens one from last year was pretty good though, wasn't that a Starbucks release?
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    iPods are ridiculously overpriced.

    There are MP3/Video players that have 8 gigs for less then $100 being advertised all the time at stores like Frys or Best Buy and you don't have that DRM shit to work around. Sears just had a sale of a 4 gig video player for $60. Best Buy had a 8 gig player for $50! (but only 10 per store...)

    Give it a couple months and I'm sure Sanyo or some other knockoff company will put out a WiFi player for like $150 or so.

I hear this over and over and over, yet iPods outsell EVERYTHING else. The "Apple's overpriced" argument is getting really old. I have never once felt I did not get my money's worth from an Apple product. Cheaper doesn't mean better.

As far as DRM goes, you don't HAVE to put iTunes store songs on it. DRM is not a factor in iPod use at all. Plus, even Apple knows people don't want DRM. That's why there's iTunes Plus (which is, admittedly, an overpriced and slightly flawed system in itself, but hey...it's something).



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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    The Starbucks deal is kinda neat, but what if it could be universal and work through any business. Maybe have the device record part of a song and do a search online for what the song is. This would be something to get excited about, but most of the shit I hear in coffee houses isn't worth searching for anyway.


There's actually something that can do this, but it was advertised for radio. Don't know about anything else, but I don't see why it can't be used in that context. Name escapes me, and I have no idea if it's still available.



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Apple giving $100 credit to early iPhone buyers

http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/06/technology/iphone_price/index.htm?cnn=yes


    After receiving hundreds of emailed complaints from existing Apple iPhone customers angry about a steep price drop, chief executive Steve Jobs says the company will give a $100 credit to certain customers who bought the gadget.


That's a really class act from Apple. I find it very intriguing that they, as big as they are, actually listen to the complaints from the early buyers and offer some sort of a resolution for them. Often times companies are more concerned with reaching out to get new customers and forget/disregard the existing consumer base.

Perfect timing as far as the price drop goes. I've been considering a new phone & service provider with my current contract expiring in the next few months.

I hope Microsoft offers me some free Xbox Live points for my 360 that I paid for. Wishful thinking!




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"Early Adopters" is considered a "market segment" for a reason. I have spent the last 15 years wishing I could be one of them

As cool as I think it is that Apple is capitulating a little bit to Early Adopters, part of me has no sympathy whatsoever: there is a price to pay for being the first on your block. Period. That's part of the allure and always has been. And Apple is one of those companies who has relied on early adopters since the Apple II days. Damn straight my family had the "Woz...Special Edition" IIgs; I'm pretty sure that logo on the front was the only thing that distinguished it...

(yes, I do know better)

I was just issued a new phone today from work that has mp3 player capability, however annoying it is to load/unload, etc. I just spent the last 20 minutes listening to tunes through it even though I've got various devices with much better sound quality handy.

I think I was just reminded that music is an integral part of my life and I've been a total fucking idiot to go the last several years without portable tunage because I couldn't "decide" which player to get. The moral of this story, like many others, is that I'm a tool. I'll have a digital music player within weeks; and dollars to donuts, it'll be an iPod of some flavour.

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    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      The Starbucks deal is kinda neat, but what if it could be universal and work through any business. Maybe have the device record part of a song and do a search online for what the song is. This would be something to get excited about, but most of the shit I hear in coffee houses isn't worth searching for anyway.


    There's actually something that can do this, but it was advertised for radio. Don't know about anything else, but I don't see why it can't be used in that context. Name escapes me, and I have no idea if it's still available.


Off Topic...

I'm the UK there is a music tagging company that you can contact from your mobile phone (Shazam), which tells you the song and offers a downloadable ringtone (If they have it). You dial the number, hold the phone to the source, 30 seconds later a text comes telling you the track.

It's quite accurate and I've tried to stump it many times and only succeeded once, but I have pretty mainstream tastes.

(Edit...) Just done a quick search and it is worldwide and available as download for symbian phones. Some cool hacker should port it to iPhone.

(edited by Yeah8a8y on 7.9.07 1408)


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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    iPods are ridiculously overpriced.


My 9 year old daughter received some money from Nanny for her birthday, so I went with her to spend it. She had talked about getting an iPod Shuffle before, so we cruised that section of the store. I was willing to let her get the $80 1Gb Shuffle since it was her money, but she comparison shopped and decided that she preferred a $34 512Mb MP3/WMA player that actually had a menu that you could scroll through to a particular song or group of songs. Best of all, since it plugs directly into a USB port and acts like a flash drive, adding songs is just a matter of drag-and-drop. You can't imagine how proud I was that she was savvy enough to be happy with a lesser-priced, not as big, not iPod, but just as good or better player.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.95

    Originally posted by Yeah8a8y
    I'm the UK there is a music tagging company that you can contact from your mobile phone (Shazam), which tells you the song and offers a downloadable ringtone (If they have it). You dial the number, hold the phone to the source, 30 seconds later a text comes telling you the track.
I remember seeing ads for something like that a couple years ago on TV here in the US, but I forget which wireless carrier had it (Verizon?) and I havent seen it since.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.42
    Originally posted by rinberg
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      iPods are ridiculously overpriced.


    My 9 year old daughter received some money from Nanny for her birthday, so I went with her to spend it. She had talked about getting an iPod Shuffle before, so we cruised that section of the store. I was willing to let her get the $80 1Gb Shuffle since it was her money, but she comparison shopped and decided that she preferred a $34 512Mb MP3/WMA player that actually had a menu that you could scroll through to a particular song or group of songs. Best of all, since it plugs directly into a USB port and acts like a flash drive, adding songs is just a matter of drag-and-drop. You can't imagine how proud I was that she was savvy enough to be happy with a lesser-priced, not as big, not iPod, but just as good or better player.


I also go with non-iPod players because they are cheaper and have way more features. But, Apple does do one thing which nobody else has been able to that I've come across: have firmware which works absolutely perfectly. Every other device I've ever used has had some annoying little glitch or has required firmware updates which more often than not screw up the device even worse than it was. I've had players that order albums in reverse, that lose my place in audiobook/podcast files. This all doesn't particularly bother me because a few moments of inconvenience is miniscule compared to the hundreds of dollars I save, but there is truth to the phrase "you get what you pay for" when it comes to mp3 players.



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866-411-SONG. Call the number, wait for the beep, and put your cell phone near the music for 15 seconds. They'll send you an IM with the song information. First ID is free, subsequent IDs are $.99. If you have Verizon, you can pay $3.99 per month for unlimited ID.
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Another reason why iPods sell so well: I bought my fiance an mp3 player. SMall problem wthough....it doesn't play m4a files like an iPod foes.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    iPods are ridiculously overpriced.


Allow me to chime in with another 'you're not wrong'. A few years ago I toyed with the idea of nabbing an iPod but my then-girlfriend got me a HP iPaq PDA. I've been using it as an mp3 player with wi-fi for years now. And although I've only got 1GB of mp3's on a storage card, I'm just an impulse buy away from upgrading to an 8GB card off eCost.

That said, there's still a part of me that wants an iPod...

As for
    Originally posted by The Guinness.
    Apple giving $100 credit to early iPhone buyers. . . That's a really class act from Apple.


All class acts should net their company $75 million (pbs.org).

Time to browse over to the Apple store and commence drooling...



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