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I'm in the market for a 150cc or smaller motorscooter and am looking for some advice. Since I doubt it would be of much general interest, if anybody is knowledgeable on the subject, maybe just PM me. Thanks.



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I've been a motorcyclist for 13 years, so I might be able to help. I do have a question, why such a small engine? You could get a good used 250cc Kawasaki Ninja for less than $1000 and it would be street legal (you would need a motorcycle license though).



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But if I just PM you, I can't publicly brag about my Vespa GT200.

Best purchase I've ever made. A buddy of mine has a vintage LX 150, and he loves his as well. He gets about 70+ miles per gallon.

I've heard really great things about the Honda scooters. They're a lot more affordable than Vespas, and the maintenance is a bit easier as well. But get a Vespa, because they're far cooler and awesome.


    You could get a good used 250cc Kawasaki Ninja for less than $1000 and it would be street legal (you would need a motorcycle license though).


I considered this when I bought my Vespa, but Vespa's (or any scooter) is pretty much just a twist and go. Yeah, the vintage ones do have a manual transmission, but scooters are still easier for a first time rider than a full on motorcycle. In my opinion, at least...

Oh, and in CA you still need a M Class license, even if you're on a scooter/Vespa.

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samoflange
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I am planning on selling my car and using a scooter to go to and from work. It's a 13 mile trip each way, on 35 mph roads, and I won't use it for anything else. That's why I have no need for a 250cc engine. I have no intention of ever carrying a passenger or riding on the highway -- that's what Zipcars are for. So I figured the smaller the engine, the better the fuel efficiency, and the cheaper and easier repairs will be.

I have thought about Vespas but (a) the price and (b) the location of the dealer/shop is inconvenient. There is a Honda & Kymco dealer in a very good location, so I'll be checking out the Hondas. I really like the styling of the Ruckus, which is about un-Vespa as you can get.

One of my questions is regarding the -real- fuel efficiency difference of 50cc vs 125cc vs anything inbetween. I see most of them are rated at 90 mpg, but I'm skeptical of manufacturer provided numbers as my current car is rated at 22/28 city/highway, when I easily get 26/36.

The other question is about winter weather performance. I plan to ride year round and am wondering if there is anything in particular to look out for when choosing a scooter. I am guessing that swapping out tires can be done across the board, but I figured that things like a lower center of mass or brake performance or even simple splash/wind guards might be better for certain models.

(I've tried asking these things at a few scooter-centric forums but didn't get much feedback.)

However, honestly, these questions might not end up meaning much as I have recently been persuaded to check out electric motor-assisted bicycles. That seems to match my lifestyle a lot more, and the price of "fuel" is certainly better. Anyway, I haven't made up my mind either way yet and I'm still looking for information.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by samoflange

    One of my questions is regarding the -real- fuel efficiency difference of 50cc vs 125cc vs anything inbetween. I see most of them are rated at 90 mpg, but I'm skeptical of manufacturer provided numbers as my current car is rated at 22/28 city/highway, when I easily get 26/36.


I'm not sure that there's a huge difference in fuel efficiency between a 50cc and 100cc. You're going to be getting ridiculous MPGs regardless - at least 80+ MPG - so if your commute is 26 miles, just budget for a once/month refuel and you'll still be WAY ahead of the game. Insurance is a fraction of the cost of car as well.

My Vespa hustles - tops out at about 75 MPH (part of my commute is a short highway, and I will jump on the 101 FWY if I'm running late, but it's not a pleasant trip) - but I did have to sacrifice some MPG to get that. Plus, it's nice to be able to speed out of a jam if I need to.

One thing I noticed is my Vespa's performance will change drastically if I'm carrying anything. Even dropping 10 lbs. of body weight got me a higher top speed and noticeably better mileage.

    Originally posted by samoflange
    The other question is about winter weather performance.


I'd directly ask the dealer. My Vespa was my main source of transit for about 9 months. When it rained, I just took the bus into work. I am planning to bring my Vespa to NYC when we move in two weeks, though...

All I'll add is that I believe you are really underestimating just how much fun scooters are to ride - and you will want to take your significant other for spin every now and then. They really are a blast to move around on, especially when the weather is pleasant.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.67
    Originally posted by samoflange
    I am planning on selling my car and using a scooter to go to and from work. It's a 13 mile trip each way, on 35 mph roads, and I won't use it for anything else. That's why I have no need for a 250cc engine. I have no intention of ever carrying a passenger or riding on the highway -- that's what Zipcars are for. So I figured the smaller the engine, the better the fuel efficiency, and the cheaper and easier repairs will be.

    I have thought about Vespas but (a) the price and (b) the location of the dealer/shop is inconvenient. There is a Honda & Kymco dealer in a very good location, so I'll be checking out the Hondas. I really like the styling of the Ruckus, which is about un-Vespa as you can get.

    One of my questions is regarding the -real- fuel efficiency difference of 50cc vs 125cc vs anything inbetween. I see most of them are rated at 90 mpg, but I'm skeptical of manufacturer provided numbers as my current car is rated at 22/28 city/highway, when I easily get 26/36.


http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/ruckus
The Ruckus is 50cc
The 7 that are reporting more than 3 fillups are avering 88.4 MPG with a high of 98 (2007 M.Y.) and a low of 72.3 (2009 M.Y.)


http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/pcx
The PCX is 125cc
I'm throwing out the 26 and 500+ MPGs, but it looks like most are between 88-93 MPG with is on par with the Ruckus.

http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/kawasaki/ex250
Just for poops and laughs, my old 250cc Ninja
Most are between 53-60 MPG.

If I were you, I'd go the 125cc route. 50cc is a glorified lawnmower engine. I don't know how heavy you are nor if you have many uphill roads but you're going to hate life if you have many uphills and you're north of 250lbs.


    The other question is about winter weather performance. I plan to ride year round and am wondering if there is anything in particular to look out for when choosing a scooter. I am guessing that swapping out tires can be done across the board, but I figured that things like a lower center of mass or brake performance or even simple splash/wind guards might be better for certain models.



Even when my 250cc motorcycle was my 24/7 vehicle, I couldn't use it in the winter. Geico's insurance is only a 9 month plan (and even then, I think I pay $300 a year for both my rides, 700cc Honda Interceptor, 1700cc Yamaha Warrior). If you use it in the winter, you do so at your own risk, so I can't answer it for you. Snow tires or not, skidding out on a rain slicked road can be scary. I can't imagine a snow or black ice situation. Use the zipcar if there is any snow/ice on the ground.



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