It all depends on what you mean by "getting better". People have this nostalgic view about wrestling back in the old days, but really, the wrestling that we see now IS better than what it was. I remember watching Superstars on Saturdays and seeing 3 squash matches and the main event would involve someone like Dino Bravo vs. Koko B. Ware and being jazzed to see that. Now, looking back on those shows, they really don't hold up (obviously). Most old matches, sadly, don't hold up over time. There are some exceptions (Flair-Steamboat etc...) but really, as fans, we're spoiled right now seeing the 4 hours of wrestling per week (not counting the weekend shows) that we are seeing. The fact that we see these matches on free tv probably hurt the product overall is another discussion, but wrestling is "better" than before.
If you mean "better" as in like 2-5 years ago, well yes, it will get back to that level. Like anything, wrestling has it's peaks and valleys. What it needs is the next hot storyline or the "next big thing" and it'll be just as good as before. Remember, this is the first time in almost 20 years that Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Steve Austin or the Rock aren't apart of the active roster, so this, really is the true transition period of the WWE. It's either going to be exciting or real, real bad.
Survivor Series is a dead concept. It won't get back to the "old" way because we've seen it all before. I'd rather them just scrap it and just go with a Wargames gimmick or something.
By the way, Storm's gimmick includes 1.) telling the audience to shut up, and 2.) occasionally making everyone stand for the Canadian national anthem. You know they don't know what to do with a wrestler when he's making fans stand for a national anthem. It's like waving a white flag and saying, "This guy has no personality -- we give up."
I meant better as in 2-5 years ago. I just hope that it gets better soon. I remember a couple of years ago when i was excited for monday night to come around, but now it's like why do I even watch anymore. I mostly felt this way after the split and some of my favorite wrestlers went to smackdown. And in my area I can't get smackdown. So when Kurt and Edge and others went to smackdown I was pissed. I guess what really kept me watching Raw was Stone Cold and Taker. And I always said Man if Stone Cold leaves I'm not going to watch anymore. Now he's gone and I'm still watching. I really don't know why I watch anymore. I guess I think that if I don't watch I might miss something. I guess that is the reason. Oh well. Anyways as for the Survior Series thing I guess you're right and it would be cool for a Wargames gimmick
For my money, wrestling today is a lot better than the 1997-2001 Austin era. But that's all determined by taste and personal preference.
As far as the classic Survivor Series format goes, we see the obligatory 6-man or 8-man tag at least once per show. And sometimes twice. When Mix-bag team of faces vs. mix-bag team with multiple storylines intercepting on the free shows, it's pretty naive to expect anyone to pay to watch one. Not to mention that said 8-man tag matches almost inevitably suck.
Man, this may be the alcohol talking, but jobbers brought something to the shows. Sure, you knew the champ wasn't jobbing, but it sure did make it more special when some jobber gave the champ a run for his money, didn't it? I think the problem now is the wrestlers and the fans are too smart. The wrestlers have seen the past and know what will happen if they don't protect their position somehow. Also, the fans, don't respect anything but the top five percentile of workrate of match quality. Face it, internet fans are spoiled as hell. I'm willing to bet about fifty percent or more, on wienerville, has the "Best of" Benoit, Jericho, Japanese wrestling, etc. We're spoiled. I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. But, I'll say this, internet fans bithc when they push new people, bitch whent hey push the old. It's a lose-lose situations all over. No one on this board can go one show, one pay per view without nitpicking. Face it, no RAW is going to be perfect. But if it's really good, really special, why nitpick. Personally, I liked the hell out of Summerslam. I almost didn't post on it. But of course, you had people coming on and bitching about this or that. Well, my question to the fans are, who's left to elevate. Fans bithc then they elevate new people regardless. And if I read one more Brock Lesnar didn't pay his dues thing I'll puke. I'm out. It's bed time.
Originally posted by jdw I know this is a bit old, but are those "younger guys" on Raw champion Trip and his challengers this year of Scott Steiner, Booker T and Kevin Nash, all past 35 and mostly into their 40s? Trips is 33.