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Well, this certainly is a game changer as far as the last year of the Obama administration.

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I can think of a more appropriate thread title but it got shamefully wasted on that Olympics guy.



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Hopefully all will respect his commitment and passion for the law and the Constitution. I say this as a liberal, his life and career deserve our respect. Hopefully both sides of the aisle can come together and appoint a worthy successor.



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Let's not get our hopes up: There's no way the Republicans will allow any Obama-appointed Supreme Court justice to be approved with so little time left in his second term. They'd be essentially surrendering "control" of the Supreme Court for the next generation.

That's one reason why it's so important that we elect a Democrat in 2016.



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Let's not get our hopes up: There's no way the Republicans will allow any Obama-appointed Supreme Court justice to be approved with so little time left in his second term. They'd be essentially surrendering "control" of the Supreme Court for the next generation.

    That's one reason why it's so important that we elect a Democrat in 2016.


Ted Cruz, amongst others, has already called on the Republicans in Congress to run out the clock. Fuck anyone who takes that stance forever. Do your jobs and hash out someone who would be generally agreeable at least.

Not that they ever have to worry about being held accountable. Thanks a lot, gerrymandering.



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The longest the Supreme Court has sat with a vacancy in the past is 125 days. To filibuster and delay until a new President is inaugurated would be over 330 days. I would hope that if that happens, those responsible would be held accountable for it.
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As a strong conservative I would call on our president to appoint a candidate whose record is even handed and who has made decisions based on the constitution - and I call on the senate to confirm a worthy candidate. Swiftly. This crap of dragging crap out along party lines is getting old.

But if the president nominates a pure activist, someone who has made a career out of interpreting the constitution to further their own political objectives (and I would say this to someone who was doing this as a conservative as well) then the senate should reject that candidate - and both democrats and republicans should reject activism on SCOTUS.

I'd really like to see us get back to approving SCOTUS nominees like we did Breyer - 87-9 or Ginsberg 96-3. Both are fairly liberal but both sides voted for them. Then in the bush years Alito and Roberts took forever (although Roberst passed pretty easily) and the two Obama Nominees went straight party.

I'd like to see qualified justices nominated and more or less voted in by acclamation. That's how it should be if the president is doing his or her job, and really most do. Now that the parties are enemies instead of all working for us, I doubt we will ever fix this in my lifetime again.

(edited by AWArulz on 15.2.16 0624)


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While I doubt AWA and I would agree as to what constitutes "following the Constitution," I think he gets it right here. The Senate has every right to reject a candidate it finds extreme, and ever right to push the President to compromise. It does not have the right to refuse to give Obama's nominations a vote.

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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Not that they ever have to worry about being held accountable. Thanks a lot, gerrymandering.
Senators represent entire states, so I don't think there's a lot of gerrymandering going on there.

Semi-interestingly, one of the early names being bandied about is my senior Senator Amy Klobuchar. I bet enough GOP Senators would find it a little more palatable to approve one of their respected colleagues.



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Obama appoints himself, giving us President Biden for the best 6 month party the USA has ever seen.




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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Obama appoints himself, giving us President Biden for the best 6 month party the USA has ever seen.


I would love it if he did that, but that would mean 6 months of VP Paul Ryan as well, or would there be an appointment for VP?

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    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Obama appoints himself, giving us President Biden for the best 6 month party the USA has ever seen.


    I would love it if he did that, but that would mean 6 months of VP Paul Ryan as well, or would there be an appointment for VP?

    (edited by Zeruel on 14.2.16 2339)


The Speaker does not become VP...see the appointments of Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller in the 70s. But unless and until a successor was confirmed, Ryan would be in a position to take over if something happened to Biden.

Not that I think there's the slightest chance that Obama would appoint himself, or that the Senate would confirm him.
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by drjayphd
      Not that they ever have to worry about being held accountable. Thanks a lot, gerrymandering.
    Senators represent entire states, so I don't think there's a lot of gerrymandering going on there.


Derp. Don't know why I thought the House got any say in this process.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    As a strong conservative I would call on our president to appoint a candidate whose record is even handed and who has made decisions based on the constitution - and I call on the senate to confirm a worthy candidate. Swiftly. This crap of dragging crap out along party lines is getting old.


This is why it's good to have one party as President and the other party in control of Congress. So our Supreme Court nominees meet somewhere in the middle with a compromise. Right now is actually the ideal scenario where bipartisanism is supposed to be in effect.

It'll be interesting to see who Obama nominates and how hard the other side fights it. Today's political climate seems so heated that it just seems that no matter who gets nominated, the other side will fight hard against it just 'cause.

Either way, the idea that the next President, whoever wins the election, is the one who should nominate the next Justice is pretty absurd. The 1990s seem so civil now.
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Well, if Bork was blocked before he had a chance, no reason why the GOP controlled Senate would be obligated to just play along with the POTUS this time around.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Well, if Bork was blocked before he had a chance, no reason why the GOP controlled Senate would be obligated to just play along with the POTUS this time around.


But he wasn't. He got a full vote.

But I love how Republicans say that once Democrats rejected Bork, that means Republicans are justified in forever obstructing everything the Democrats do. But they'd never take notice that the last Democrat nominated for a Supreme Court position prior to Bork was filibustered on rather tenuous ethics charges, never got a vote, and ultimately had the spot filled by Nixon.
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Well, if Bork was blocked before he had a chance, no reason why the GOP controlled Senate would be obligated to just play along with the POTUS this time around.


    But he wasn't. He got a full vote.

    But I love how Republicans say that once Democrats rejected Bork, that means Republicans are justified in forever obstructing everything the Democrats do. But they'd never take notice that the last Democrat nominated for a Supreme Court position prior to Bork was filibustered on rather tenuous ethics charges, never got a vote, and ultimately had the spot filled by Nixon.


Yeah, except that's NOT what I said.
BUt for some context on "make them dead on arrival", lets refer to the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/30/us/byrd-says-bork-nomination-would-face-senate-trouble.html

Especially this passage:

    Mr. Byrd would not say if he thought Judge Bork, who sits on the Federal court of appeals here, was ''inflexibly wedded'' to judicial issues that would make him unacceptable to Democrats on ideological grounds. When pressed on the chances for approval of Judge Bork, Mr. Byrd said he could be confirmed. A Call to Block Any Extremist

    At the same time the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Alan Cranston of California, the party whip, urged colleagues in a letter to form a ''solid phalanx'' of opposition if the President's nominee was an ideological extremist. Some Democrats in Congress are worried that Mr. Reagan will nominate a conservative who will be committed to overturning Supreme Court decisions on abortion and other issues.


So, historically speaking, it's been done before, and with major issues near and dear to the controlling party (remember Hillary just said "elections have consequences") being seemingly near being brought to the SCOTUS, I couldn't blame the GOP if they blocked any nominee that didn't match their philosophy.
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    But they'd never take notice that the last Democrat nominated for a Supreme Court position prior to Bork was filibustered on rather tenuous ethics charges, never got a vote, and ultimately had the spot filled by Nixon.


in fact, that Filibuster, such as it was, was not against a court nominee, but against a Chief justice Nominee from associate justice in Abe Fortas, in the election year of 1968. Nominated by LBJ to follow Earl Warren, Fortas was filibustered for only a week by 24 Republicans and 19 Democrats voting against cloture and 12 democrats not voting. 10 Republicans and 35 Democrats voted FOR cloture. If we could only have this "across the aisle" work today on things deemed important. Fortas did accept a rather large speaking fee from a university that came through a private fund of business owners. The fee was almost half his Salary and some of those companies had pending litigation that might have come to the court.

Later, Warren discovered another issue in Fortas' financial dealings and made him resign. He delayed his resignation until after Nixon was elected and Nixon nominated Warren Burger. Warren, possibly the most liberal Chief Justice of all time, delayed his resignation, and gave the nomination to Nixon because LBJ wouldn't nominate anyone but Fortas (his pal) to be Chief Justice.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        Well, if Bork was blocked before he had a chance, no reason why the GOP controlled Senate would be obligated to just play along with the POTUS this time around.


      But he wasn't. He got a full vote.

      But I love how Republicans say that once Democrats rejected Bork, that means Republicans are justified in forever obstructing everything the Democrats do. But they'd never take notice that the last Democrat nominated for a Supreme Court position prior to Bork was filibustered on rather tenuous ethics charges, never got a vote, and ultimately had the spot filled by Nixon.


    Yeah, except that's NOT what I said.
    BUt for some context on "make them dead on arrival", lets refer to the NY Times.
    http://www.nytimes.com/​1987/​06/​30/​us/​byrd-​says-​bork-​nomination-​would-​face-​senate-​trouble.html

    Especially this passage:

      Mr. Byrd would not say if he thought Judge Bork, who sits on the Federal court of appeals here, was ''inflexibly wedded'' to judicial issues that would make him unacceptable to Democrats on ideological grounds. When pressed on the chances for approval of Judge Bork, Mr. Byrd said he could be confirmed. A Call to Block Any Extremist

      At the same time the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Alan Cranston of California, the party whip, urged colleagues in a letter to form a ''solid phalanx'' of opposition if the President's nominee was an ideological extremist. Some Democrats in Congress are worried that Mr. Reagan will nominate a conservative who will be committed to overturning Supreme Court decisions on abortion and other issues.


    So, historically speaking, it's been done before, and with major issues near and dear to the controlling party (remember Hillary just said "elections have consequences") being seemingly near being brought to the SCOTUS, I couldn't blame the GOP if they blocked any nominee that didn't match their philosophy.


Again, I wouldn't blame the GOP if they blocked a nominee they thought was extremist. But they came out and said that Obama shouldn't nominate anyone and that they would oppose even having a vote on even a moderate nominee. THAT has never been done before.
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Maybe not to a SCOTUS Nominee, but the Dems can't complain when they've done it to federal court nominees time and time again. They dragged their feet on Judge Priscilla Owen for 4 years. Yes, FOUR YEARS. Guess who joined the filibuster against her when they finally did get around to heaerings? Your POTUS.
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