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I am happy to see that reason is prevailing in this situation. This is not a troll - there really is that much information backing Evolution that putting a sticker like this in a book clouds the issue unnecessarily, and leads to people doubting the evidence. This would be fine if there was good reason to doubt the evidence, but there isn't.

We're not talking about Piltdown man, here.

Anyway +1 for science. Yay, 21st century.



Willful ignorance of science is not commendable. Refusing to learn the difference between a credible source and a shill is criminally stupid.
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Well if you ever take a trip down to Cobb County, Georgia,
Don't paste creationist stickers INto any textbooks
Or you'll be serving hard time...



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Well if you ever take a trip down to Cobb County, Georgia,
    Don't paste creationist stickers INto any textbooks
    Or you'll be serving hard time...


Damn, and I thought I'm the only one who thought that. Well played!

But would it have gone any differently if Ray Traylor would've argued in the stickers' favor in court? He did have that big ol' nightstick, after all...



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I am happy to see that reason is prevailing in this situation. This is not a troll - there really is that much information backing Evolution that putting a sticker like this in a book clouds the issue unnecessarily, and leads to people doubting the evidence. This would be fine if there was good reason to doubt the evidence, but there isn't.
I agree with the science part of your statement, but don't you think that it is not the place of federal court to determine the curriculum for a local school district?



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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      I am happy to see that reason is prevailing in this situation. This is not a troll - there really is that much information backing Evolution that putting a sticker like this in a book clouds the issue unnecessarily, and leads to people doubting the evidence. This would be fine if there was good reason to doubt the evidence, but there isn't.
    I agree with the science part of your statement, but don't you think that it is not the place of federal court to determine the curriculum for a local school district?


When things get out of hand, where else do you go. To often what the majority wants isn't correct. Where else is the redress?



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This is -1 for science. Just when intelligent design is gaining more acceptance, to go back to the close-mindedness of Gould and Dawkins by not allowing for any questioning of macroevolution is dogma, not science.

I suppose even "atheist" Anthony Flew doesn't have good reasons to recently object to evolutionary theories.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002120766_witt16.html

DMC

(edited by DMC on 14.1.05 1322)
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    Originally posted by the sticker
    The material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.


Shouldn't that apply to all textbooks? Life in general?

Intelligent Design is just a euphemism for creationism. Within the context of science, it doesn't matter if God created us or we came from nothing; the point is to learn how things work and why. Forcing religion into it is pointless and tantamount to demanding that Beowulf be taught in American Lit.



Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as it was in his Almighty power to do...that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry...and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom --//-- Lunatic Fringe
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    Originally posted by DMC
    This is -1 for science. Just when intelligent design is gaining more acceptance, to go back to the close-mindedness of Gould and Dawkins by not allowing for any questioning of macroevolution is dogma, not science.

    I suppose even "atheist" Anthony Flew doesn't have good reasons to recently object to evolutionary theories.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002120766_witt16.html

    DMC

    (edited by DMC on 14.1.05 1322)


Instead of dropping a soundbite, how about you try to quote specifically where he refutes Evolution?

Oh, wait. He doesn't. He simply says that Evolution does not preclude a God from existing.

His views may invalidate his personal atheist worldview, but they do not invalidate Evolution. Please don't muddy the waters further with poor reasoning.

There are a few very biased reports of Flew's change of mind. http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jan05/Art_Jan05_13.html

Now read the following from the secular web. These two articles sure seem to be miles apart.

http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=369

Once again, poor selection of a source has misled you.







Willful ignorance of science is not commendable. Refusing to learn the difference between a credible source and a shill is criminally stupid.
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I don't see anything in your source which says something different from what I (and YOUR SOURCE) asserted. Flew had been moved by scientific data to the position that SOME type of God exists, and it is precisely linked to the evidence for intelligent design and the failure of evolution to account for the evidence.

Try as you might, you can't escape that. Evolution *can* be shown to be false based on the evidence. To say otherwise is to attempt to protect a crumbling paradigm with dogmatic assertions.

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Great, you've each posted twice. Now I can close this thread!



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