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#141 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
Looks like it has hit the mainstream press now:

http://www.miami.com/ mld/miamiherald/sports/ wrestling/8153946.htm

The article says Goldberg has become "friends with Steve Austin" and will likely stay and go to Smackdown. Wow thats out of left field to me.

Correct me if I am wrong but Lesnar did not play football at Minnesota did he? I thought he was just a wrestler. What in the blue hell makes him think he can play in the NFL?



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#142 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I STILL don't give a shit about this match, even if Brock came out tomorrow on ESPN and announced the start of a pro tennis career immediately following WrestleMania. Who cares?
I dont care about this match in the way that I'm "supposed" to (storyline-wise), but now I'm DAMN curious to see how WWE handles a match between TWO main eventers having their very last match with the company at WM (I think this was mentioned already* earlier In This Very Thread, but it's a long thread so I hope nobody minds).


*(Yeah right, like I'd be the only person repeating what's already been said like 5 times In This Very Thread)

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    Originally posted by Miami Herald
    but since becoming friends with Stone Cold Steve Austin and the apparent departure of Lesnar, look for Goldberg to remain with the company -- possibly joining the SmackDown roster.
I'm sorry, but I dont think I've ever heard the phrase "look for so-and-so to go on and do this-and-that" outside of an OMG WRESTLING NEWSZBOARD, much less on the official website of a serious newspaper.

And how much is Brock Lesner getting paid where he can afford to buy his own private plane?? Damn!

(edited by DJ FrostyFreeze on 10.3.04 1722)


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#143 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      I STILL don't give a shit about this match, even if Brock came out tomorrow on ESPN and announced the start of a pro tennis career immediately following WrestleMania. Who cares?
    I dont care about this match in the way that I'm "supposed" to (storyline-wise), but now I'm DAMN curious to see how WWE handles a match between TWO main eventers having their very last match with the company at WM (I think this was mentioned already* earlier In This Very Thread, but it's a long thread so I hope nobody minds).


    *(Yeah right, like I'd be the only person repeating what's already been said like 5 times In This Very Thread)

    EDIT:

      Originally posted by Miami Herald
      but since becoming friends with Stone Cold Steve Austin and the apparent departure of Lesnar, look for Goldberg to remain with the company -- possibly joining the SmackDown roster.
    I'm sorry, but I dont think I've ever heard the phrase "look for so-and-so to go on and do this-and-that" outside of an OMG WRESTLING NEWSZBOARD, much less on the official website of a serious newspaper.

    And how much is Brock Lesner getting paid where he can afford to buy his own private plane?? Damn!

    (edited by DJ FrostyFreeze on 10.3.04 1722)





I lived in Miami for a year. The Miami Herald is about 2 steps below a Wrestling Newszboard. For evidence, see LeBetard, Dan.
And, since the Austin thing has been mentioned a few times, remember one additional factor in it: the assault charge came the next weekend, so if it was intended as a work initially, that messed things up a bit.
And, considering the length of this thread in the Wrestling Folder, time to bring back a classic for a thread of this length: Please don't retire CRZ. I'm sure Eric will only be there for a few weeks. Don't go.



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#144 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.58
    Originally posted by emma
    Work! Work-work-work-work-work! An excellent work. Definitely a work.


How convincing.

    Originally posted by emma
    Goldberg/Lesnar (IMO) has been the least interesting & least hyped of the big matches at WM -- particularly with Bill not being around. This churns up interest in "Brock's last match"


Despite that they haven't even said anything about it on their own website. Exactly whom would this idea appeal to? Internet fans that read about these things? Because they aren't exactly the target Goldberg/Lesnar audience. Or the target audience at all.

Also, since it IS only your opinion, I don't think you can say for certain that this "churns up interest" in anything other than the idea of arguably the company's most secure regular star walking away.

    Originally posted by emma
    & the uncertainty of who'll win the match.


Most people don't even know Goldberg is leaving.

    Originally posted by emma
    Or, what shocking swerve Vince might concoct so that neither of these guys wins. Brock takes some legitimate downtime -- that's a perfectly fine thing. Any Goldberg-related dust settles (depending on what Vince has planned). They can bring Brock back in all sorts of interesting ways.

    It's a very good work.


Who are they working, exactly? Me? You? Well, not you, since you know it's a work. But, like, me? I'm already ordering the show.

But hey - if it IS a work then I'll totally eat crow and have no problem doing so. I just really disagree with your line of thinking right now.



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#145 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
With all the hatred Vince and pretty much every wrestler has for the Internet there's just no way in hell this is a work. I mean that's who it would have to be marketed at right? Cause it's not like they could have been sure to get any mainstream press off this, though they have sorta now(I mean really it's fox). Plus mainstream types had no clue Goldberg was leaving anyway so there was no need to work them.

Us geeks are the only ones who this would be aimed at, so why bother?

Yeah Brock's tired and complaining, but oh well go do whatever it is you think you can do and then come crawling back in a while when you realize this is as good as it's probably ever gonna get for you.
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#146 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Personally, if he's gone, he's gone. We can't do much about it. I don't think I like that he is just kind of up and leaving, but what are you going to do?

I, for one, am just waiting until the WWE either bashes him, or put down his accomplishment.

Orton is 23 years old, maybe they'll orchestrate him winning the WWE title so that HE'LL be the youngest champion in WWE history and not Lesnar.

I also am looking forward to see how long it takes for all us smart fans to start throwing around "...Greatest (some attribute) in WWE or Wrestling history..." labels at Brock. That will be fun to see.

I guess I bid farewell to Brock "The Rock" Lesnar...(as he was called while wrestling at the U of MN).

(edited by XManiac24 on 10.3.04 1853)

(edited by XManiac24 on 10.3.04 1854)

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#147 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    What an ASSHOLE. He's been given EVERYTHING on a silver platter from day one. He was pushed and pushed and pushed and put over everyone and their mother. The fed have spent two years on this guy, they've put everything into him. And he can't even hang around long enough for them to get some return on their investment? Maybe for him to put over a couple more guys on the way out? I don't a flying FUCK if he's having problems with the travel schedule. He can put up with it for three more months so he can lay down and make some more stars. FUCK. WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE.

    I hope they put Goldberg over him in three minutes at Mania, then sink all the money from Lesnar's dela into getting him back on board for another year or two.

    ASSSSSSSHOLE.


This post and your ten or so follow ups really make me wonder what your deal is. What is wrong with a guy quitting his job? Especially if that job is as thankless as wrestling where the life expectancy is short, the injury risk is high, and the job security is zero. Brock and Vince have both prospered from the relationship, so what's the problem? He might owe Vince a handshake, but he doesn't owe a thankless prick like you jack shit.




(edited by EastCoastJoe on 10.3.04 2213)
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#148 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by EastCoastJoe
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      What an ASSHOLE. He's been given EVERYTHING on a silver platter from day one. He was pushed and pushed and pushed and put over everyone and their mother. The fed have spent two years on this guy, they've put everything into him. And he can't even hang around long enough for them to get some return on their investment? Maybe for him to put over a couple more guys on the way out? I don't a flying FUCK if he's having problems with the travel schedule. He can put up with it for three more months so he can lay down and make some more stars. FUCK. WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE.

      I hope they put Goldberg over him in three minutes at Mania, then sink all the money from Lesnar's dela into getting him back on board for another year or two.

      ASSSSSSSHOLE.


    This post and your ten or so follow ups really make me wonder what your deal is. What is wrong with a guy quitting his job?


If this is true, he hasnt just quit, he's quit on almost zero notice. That alone should give his employer a reason to be upset.


    Especially if that job is as thankless as wrestling where the life expectancy is short the injury risk is high, and the job security is zero.


You make like the guy had the toughest job in the world. He was handsomely paid for doing a job most of us would kill to have. The life expectancy is short if you plan on indulging in steroids, and the 7 year contract should have gone some way to providing job security.


    Brock and Vince have both prospered from the relationship, so what's the problem?


But thats the point. Vince hasn't. Brock was just getting to the stage where he could provide a return on the investment and he's apparently off.


    He might owe Vince a handshake, but he doesn't owe a thankless prick like you jack shit.




    (edited by EastCoastJoe on 10.3.04 2213)


As purchasers of the merchandise, DVD's and PPV's that supplement his wages I would say he does owe a debt to the fans.
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#149 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "Or does Brock owe you money?"

    Yes.

    I'm calling in my smartass chip which says I'm allowed to be an asshole about a wrestling-related happening with carefree abandon.

    Wait...that doesn't exist? Damn.


I remember the last time someone did that. How did that turn out... (The W)



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#150 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
Lesnar is going nowhere. I think the WWE is putting this rumor out just to garner interest in the match. Lesnar wins, Stone Cold stuns Lesnar after the match, Lesnar takes a few weeks off.

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#151 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
Sorry if anyone has already made this comparison but Brock Lesner is his generations Psycho Sid. Sure he has 100 times more skill but the past few months have seen like he just doesn't have the true desire to be a pro wrestler just like Sid. If i was Brock i would be pissed to having first to feud with Taker look weak. Then feud with Hardcore Holly, then have to drop the belt to Eddie and wrestle Billy Gun for almost 10 minutes most of the time on the defense. Two more things 1.Brock has no chance of making it in the NFL, here is a guy who has never played at the college level and suddenly wants to play professionally? No chance and 2.I am willing to wager any amount that Brock will be back by next year after not only does he see his meal ticket gone but he is laughed out of NFL training camp.
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#152 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.48
i got two opinions. first off, i like brock. i htink he is a great talent as in he can mat wrestle, he's got insane power moves and i think is better then averge on mic(some might disagree). if he is leaving, shitty deals i for one will miss him on my screen. especially evil brock who's been around since his last heel turn.

If he was gonna leave and this was ment to be the only shitty thing for me is that he goes without fiishing program wiht benoit( and of corse i lve eddie as champ but).

Benoiut could have stayed on SD, hell even move eddie to Raw where he could have done the thing with hbk-hhh, etc. benoit could have fought lesnar, had a classic, beat him fair, mania has great ending, brock rides of in sunset( for now).

just fantasy booking at last mionute but i guess i just thinking out loud.






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#153 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60

    Orton is 23 years old, maybe they'll orchestrate him winning the WWE title so that HE'LL be the youngest champion in WWE history and not Lesnar.


So then WWE has to deal with overpushing another young guy to the top too quickly. And it's not like Orton has a history of walking out on things, no sir.




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#154 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
Maybe brock on Austin's 4-wheeler was forshadowing...Sheriff LESNAR!!! here to makes the RAW gm Arn Anderson's life hell!!! but boo hoo Brock, I hope you pull a joe theisman...and i am picking Goldberg now...anyone in agreement that brock will lose now?





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#155 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11


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    He might owe Vince a handshake, but he doesn't owe a thankless prick like you jack shit.


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    As purchasers of the merchandise, DVD's and PPV's that supplement his wages I would say he does owe a debt to the fans.


You're kidding me here, right?

Brock supplied a product/service. You may have found that product/service likable enough to spend your money on. He's still going to be on those DVD's you may have purchased and he still will have wrestled on those PPV's that you bought. You're making it sound as if all of Brock's accomplishments are now null and void because he's leaving. Brock had no contract with you. He will be replaced. You will deal with it. You will move on. Christ, there wasn't this kind of outcry when Shelley Long left Cheers.




(edited by EastCoastJoe on 11.3.04 0030)
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#156 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.06
    Originally posted by EastCoastJoe
    Christ, there wasn't this kind of outcry when Shelley Long left Cheers.




    (edited by EastCoastJoe on 11.3.04 0030)


Well, that says it all, doesn't it?

Brock has forgotten that, at the end of the day, he's just an actor on a television show. If Rachel ends up with Ross, is Joey gonna storm out and raise a fuss? No. Because even Matt LeBlanc, no matter how dumb he plays on TV, is smarter than that.



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#157 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.98
"This post and your ten or so follow ups really make me wonder what your deal is. What is wrong with a guy quitting his job? Especially if that job is as thankless as wrestling where the life expectancy is short, the injury risk is high, and the job security is zero. Brock and Vince have both prospered from the relationship, so what's the problem? He might owe Vince a handshake, but he doesn't owe a thankless prick like you jack shit."

Zero job security? He's just signed a seven-year contract. And Vince hasn't *prospered* from the relationship at all.

And thanks for the namecalling. Never once in this thread have I come on here and gone "How could Brock does do this to ME? *I* feel so so betrayed! He owes me SO much!" I'm a massive WWE fan, to the point where I regularly get called a shill for sticking up for them around here. And it pisses me off to high heaven that this guy has, after them pouring time and effort into him for the past two years, upped and left and an amazingly inopportune moment. Yeah, I'm angry. Not so much any more-but for that two-hour period, I was pissed. Sorry if the fact that I got passionate about it upset you. But in my mind, it was absolutely the wrong thing to do.

And Spiff, you can now jump in and go off on me.








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#158 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by EastCoastJoe
    You're kidding me here, right?

    Brock supplied a product/service. You may have found that product/service likable enough to spend your money on. He's still going to be on those DVD's you may have purchased and he still will have wrestled on those PPV's that you bought.


You miss the point entirely. Brock Lesnar's salary is not based on how many Brock Lesnar DVD's were sold. Nor how much of his merchandise was sold. I don't believe he was at a stage where his earnings justified the money he made for the company, and if he was he hadn't been there for long.

He was being overpaid in the short term in the hope that the money would be recouped (and then some) in the longer term. Rather than stick around though, he's decided to take his rather inflated short term earnings and move on without even having the decency to work a reasonable period of notice.

It would be like a soccer club signing up an 18 year old to a multi million pound long term contract and then having the guy walk out just as he was ready to make a real impact and repay the clubs faith in him. Both the club, and the fans whose money paid his contract, have a right to be a bit cheesed off with his actions.

You seem to be assuming that I take his actions as some sort of deep personal insult. I don't at all, and personally there are guys I far prefer seeing on my TV anyways. I just think hes behaved in an exceptionally shitty manner.

No matter how you dress it up the guys taken a shed load of (fans) money from the company and then walked out, . Without notice. Leaving the company in the shit. The mature, and sensible thing would be to work a reasonable periods notice (as it would in any job) out of respect to the people who put their faith in him, NOT throw a hissy and piss off as soon as the going gets tough.
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#159 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
I would LOVE for this to turn out to be a huge work, but the only way it could be a decent one is if they're planning on an extension to his feud with Goldberg... Brock loses/pulls a draw at WM, then "quits" to try out for the NFL and humiliate Goldberg, who had a less-than-stellar football career. Naturally it backfires, since Brock's the heel and all...

I'd love for that to happen but I just don't know. However, I also don't know that this is as sudden as it seems.

It seemed pretty arbitrary at the time to insert Steve Austin into the Lesnar/Goldberg match like they did, but if Lesnar's on his way out what better way to do it than have Goldberg and Austin team up to delvier a massive asskicking and run him out of the company?

For all we know, Brock's been talking to Vince about this for months. If so, the only people who had any reason to know about Brock's concerns would be himself, Vince, and the creative team, especially if the guy hasn't made any real friends backstage. I'd imagine, especially after Nathan Jones left under very similar circumstances, that Vince would be paying close attention to his talent grousing about their schedule.



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#160 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
"Brock has forgotten that, at the end of the day, he's just an actor on a television show. If Rachel ends up with Ross, is Joey gonna storm out and raise a fuss? No. Because even Matt LeBlanc, no matter how dumb he plays on TV, is smarter than that."

Bwahaha yes remember when Joey landed on his head and almost broke his neck in Barbados? Furthermore, the travel schedules -- all but identical.

"He was handsomely paid for doing a job most of us would kill to have."

Are you a-fuckin' a-kiddin' me.

"the fans whose money paid his contract"

oh the sanctimony.
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